Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

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ultimatedjf said:
Hey, I love Heroes as much as you guys, and I certainly don't like that this guy's just giving it a beatdown, but LOST is my favorite show of all time, whereas Heroes wouldn't even rank in my top twenty-five, so you might say I enjoyed the piece for what it was : LOST rules compared to Heroes.
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Get out of our thread, heathen.
 
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I think I have a vision of the Future...

Ultimatedjf - Infraction - 50 points

Reason???

HERESY!!!!!!
 
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ultimatedjf said:
Hey, I love Heroes as much as you guys, and I certainly don't like that this guy's just giving it a beatdown, but LOST is my favorite show of all time, whereas Heroes wouldn't even rank in my top twenty-five, so you might say I enjoyed the piece for what it was : LOST rules compared to Heroes.
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I didn't even read the article, but I pretty much agree with this post. Heroes is great, clever entertainment that I look forward to every week. LOST is a sublime, genius, life-influencing saga that is far and away my favourite show of all time.
 
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ultimatedjf said:
Hey, I love Heroes as much as you guys, and I certainly don't like that this guy's just giving it a beatdown, but LOST is my favorite show of all time, whereas Heroes wouldn't even rank in my top twenty-five, so you might say I enjoyed the piece for what it was : LOST rules compared to Heroes.
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Planet-man said:
I didn't even read the article, but I pretty much agree with this post. Heroes is great, clever entertainment that I look forward to every week. LOST is a sublime, genius, life-influencing saga that is far and away my favourite show of all time.
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ultimatedjf said:
*smiles*
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Guys - seriously, if it was just this guy saying, "I prefer Lost to Heroes" that's fine.

But it wasn't. It was this, "Lost is the best show ever because smart people like it and I'm smart. Heroes is for stupid people who eat fast food but only watch it because they think they're smart."

It's also a ****ty review because he's hypocritical. He states that Heroes sucks because it's 'stupid' and people only watch it to say they're smart. Then his entire review continues to point out how he loves Lost because it makes him feel smart. Whatever.

The truth is - I think Lost is an awful show that started wonderfully. I think at the beginning when it was just about surviving on this hostile, and somewhat terrifyingly surreal island, with flashbacks designed to show what the characters have lost (or gained) as a result of being stranded on the island was brilliant.

However when it would spend half an episode with people talking about a shaft or a mystery polar bear or someone's psychic powers or whatever the hell, and then not resolve it that week, or next week, or the week after, but keep bringing it up I gave up. I love long, serialized stories. But stories aren't one scene repeated every week. Stories require progressive conflict. Lost simply didn't have it.

To give a specific case - there is an episode in the first season where the pregnant Australian girl gets kidnapped by a man called Ethan, who surprisingly, was not on the flight that everyone else was on. This was brilliant. Who the hell is this Ethan guy? Three episodes pass and the pregnant girl returns.

With amnesia.

Ethan shows up and demands the girl returned to him. The characters have a fight (in a good, tense episode), and Ethan is murdered by Charlie at the end.

I screamed.

Because we are at the same point we were three weeks ago. This episode sums up all of Lost to me. They say, "Look! A mystery!" Don't resolve or progress it for three episodes, and when they bring it back up, they end the episode by resolving the storyline but not the mystery, making the entire endeavour confusing and meaningless.

To sum this up - We don't know what's special about the pregnancy, or who Ethan is. By the end of the 'arc', we don't know what's special about the pregnancy, or who Ethan is. This was four episodes. Now, I'm sure, by now, we know the answers to both of those mysteries. But those mysteries weren't the only ones. All the mysteries - the shaft, the little black kid, the numbers - all of them were brought up week in, week out, and never resolved and when we got the 'big reveal' episode (as the return of Ethan clearly implies it will be) we are told nothing.

Lost, like Battlestar Galactica and The X-Files piss me off because of this.

Babylon 5 and Heroes have lots of mysteries that last several episodes, more than the four episodes Ethan had, but the difference is the progression. Each episode reveals something of the mystery and progresses the story. Not by giving another clue, but by giving answers that are new questions.

That's how I feel about the shows.
 
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Bass said:
Guys - seriously, if it was just this guy saying, "I prefer Lost to Heroes" that's fine.

But it wasn't. It was this, "Lost is the best show ever because smart people like it and I'm smart. Heroes is for stupid people who eat fast food but only watch it because they think they're smart."

It's also a ****ty review because he's hypocritical. He states that Heroes sucks because it's 'stupid' and people only watch it to say they're smart. Then his entire review continues to point out how he loves Lost because it makes him feel smart. Whatever.

The truth is - I think Lost is an awful show that started wonderfully. I think at the beginning when it was just about surviving on this hostile, and somewhat terrifyingly surreal island, with flashbacks designed to show what the characters have lost (or gained) as a result of being stranded on the island was brilliant.

However when it would spend half an episode with people talking about a shaft or a mystery polar bear or someone's psychic powers or whatever the hell, and then not resolve it that week, or next week, or the week after, but keep bringing it up I gave up. I love long, serialized stories. But stories aren't one scene repeated every week. Stories require progressive conflict. Lost simply didn't have it.

To give a specific case - there is an episode in the first season where the pregnant Australian girl gets kidnapped by a man called Ethan, who surprisingly, was not on the flight that everyone else was on. This was brilliant. Who the hell is this Ethan guy? Three episodes pass and the pregnant girl returns.

With amnesia.

Ethan shows up and demands the girl returned to him. The characters have a fight (in a good, tense episode), and Ethan is murdered by Charlie at the end.

I screamed.

Because we are at the same point we were three weeks ago. This episode sums up all of Lost to me. They say, "Look! A mystery!" Don't resolve or progress it for three episodes, and when they bring it back up, they end the episode by resolving the storyline but not the mystery, making the entire endeavour confusing and meaningless.

To sum this up - We don't know what's special about the pregnancy, or who Ethan is. By the end of the 'arc', we don't know what's special about the pregnancy, or who Ethan is. This was four episodes. Now, I'm sure, by now, we know the answers to both of those mysteries. But those mysteries weren't the only ones. All the mysteries - the shaft, the little black kid, the numbers - all of them were brought up week in, week out, and never resolved and when we got the 'big reveal' episode (as the return of Ethan clearly implies it will be) we are told nothing.

Lost, like Battlestar Galactica and The X-Files piss me off because of this.

Babylon 5 and Heroes have lots of mysteries that last several episodes, more than the four episodes Ethan had, but the difference is the progression. Each episode reveals something of the mystery and progresses the story. Not by giving another clue, but by giving answers that are new questions.

That's how I feel about the shows.
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To quote Ultimate Aunt May : "Mr. Grumpy in the morning."

I keed.

Seriously, I :heart: you, Bass. Even if I don't agree with you all the time (but 99% of the time I do; you are The Nexus for Pete's sake) I thoroughly enjoy reading all of your extremely entertaining and well thought-out posts.


























LOST rules, Heroes drools. :)
 
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Says the man who got a letter printed in Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane.

I'd never read a comic intended for 12-year old girls.

:shifty:
 
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Bass said:
Guys - seriously, if it was just this guy saying, "I prefer Lost to Heroes" that's fine.

But it wasn't. It was this, "Lost is the best show ever because smart people like it and I'm smart. Heroes is for stupid people who eat fast food but only watch it because they think they're smart."

It's also a ****ty review because he's hypocritical. He states that Heroes sucks because it's 'stupid' and people only watch it to say they're smart. Then his entire review continues to point out how he loves Lost because it makes him feel smart. Whatever.
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Like I said, I didn't even read the article. It probably is a pompous crock. All I did was agree with djf's assessment that Heroes is a great show, while LOST is nothing short of Godly.
 
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True, Heroes does answer its questions quicker than Lost. But that doesn't necessarily means it's better. I think Lost has far more compelling characters, and a more interesting story as well. I think Heroes lacks certain things (so does Lost, nothing's perfect) but the fact that I'm not really interested in any of the characters (save Hiro occasionally and Sylar) means I don't think Heroes is as good as everyone thinks it is.

Then again, neither is Lost. Neither is a lot of things.

I don't know what I'm talking about.

I like Heroes though. I'll still watch it.
 
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ProjectX2 said:
True, Heroes does answer its questions quicker than Lost. But that doesn't necessarily means it's better.
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Yeah, Heroes is basically a superhero story, you can answer one question then make up a new story to follow. With Lost there is only limitted directions, basically there are three big questions and the rest is fitting it together, once you answer a big question you lose a lot of the mystery in Lost and when all those questions are answered, the show is over. A show like Heroes can easily add new things, new villains, but being on an isolated island only has so many story possiblities
 
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ProjectX2 said:
True, Heroes does answer its questions quicker than Lost. But that doesn't necessarily means it's better. I think Lost has far more compelling characters, and a more interesting story as well. I think Heroes lacks certain things (so does Lost, nothing's perfect) but the fact that I'm not really interested in any of the characters (save Hiro occasionally and Sylar) means I don't think Heroes is as good as everyone thinks it is.

Then again, neither is Lost. Neither is a lot of things.

I don't know what I'm talking about.

I like Heroes though. I'll still watch it.
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That's a good point - resolving your plots quicker isn't neccessarily better - but the point is progression of plots is more important. If Heroes had 'filler' episodes that weren't related to the arc (like Lost does) this 'bomb' storyline would've spilled into season 2 or been tighter (I'd've preferred the latter). Heroes progresses (and thus resolves) quickly.

But if you don't like the characters, then you ain't gonna like the show.

If it wasn't for Hiro, I probably wouldn't've got into the show. Sylar is also wicked cool. I love Mr Bennet. As the show progressed I got to like a lot of the characters more and more, like Nathan Petrelli, and even Peter Petrelli. As for Lost - I liked exactly two characters; Locke and Hurly (Daniel Dae Kim also rocked). But because the show focuses so much on Jack/Kate/Sawyer I couldn't take it. :?

Random said:
Yeah, Heroes is basically a superhero story
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I got to say, I don't think it is.

Yes, there are superhero elements to it but really, if you think about it - it's sci-fi. It's more like the Matrix than Superman. I would suggest it's a sci-fi show with superhero elements, not a superhero show.

I
 
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Bass said:
I got to say, I don't think it is.

Yes, there are superhero elements to it but really, if you think about it - it's sci-fi. It's more like the Matrix than Superman. I would suggest it's a sci-fi show with superhero elements, not a superhero show.

I
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Well I've only seen so many episodes but your right, still the subject of show its easier to add new threats, new storylines than a show like lost
 
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Bass said:
The truth is - I think Lost is an awful show that started wonderfully. I think at the beginning when it was just about surviving on this hostile, and somewhat terrifyingly surreal island, with flashbacks designed to show what the characters have lost (or gained) as a result of being stranded on the island was brilliant.

However when it would spend half an episode with people talking about a shaft or a mystery polar bear or someone's psychic powers or whatever the hell, and then not resolve it that week, or next week, or the week after, but keep bringing it up I gave up. I love long, serialized stories. But stories aren't one scene repeated every week. Stories require progressive conflict. Lost simply didn't have it.

To give a specific case - there is an episode in the first season where the pregnant Australian girl gets kidnapped by a man called Ethan, who surprisingly, was not on the flight that everyone else was on. This was brilliant. Who the hell is this Ethan guy? Three episodes pass and the pregnant girl returns.

With amnesia.

Ethan shows up and demands the girl returned to him. The characters have a fight (in a good, tense episode), and Ethan is murdered by Charlie at the end.

I screamed.

Because we are at the same point we were three weeks ago. This episode sums up all of Lost to me. They say, "Look! A mystery!" Don't resolve or progress it for three episodes, and when they bring it back up, they end the episode by resolving the storyline but not the mystery, making the entire endeavour confusing and meaningless.

To sum this up - We don't know what's special about the pregnancy, or who Ethan is. By the end of the 'arc', we don't know what's special about the pregnancy, or who Ethan is. This was four episodes. Now, I'm sure, by now, we know the answers to both of those mysteries. But those mysteries weren't the only ones. All the mysteries - the shaft, the little black kid, the numbers - all of them were brought up week in, week out, and never resolved and when we got the 'big reveal' episode (as the return of Ethan clearly implies it will be) we are told nothing.

Lost, like Battlestar Galactica and The X-Files piss me off because of this.

Babylon 5 and Heroes have lots of mysteries that last several episodes, more than the four episodes Ethan had, but the difference is the progression. Each episode reveals something of the mystery and progresses the story. Not by giving another clue, but by giving answers that are new questions.

That's how I feel about the shows.
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This post makes you sound impatient.

;)
 
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I DEMAND INSTANT SATISFACTION!

Which upsets my imaginary girlfriend, no end. :?
 
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Wow.

I'm catching up on old episodes... I've watched two so far and I'm so far enjoying every minute. I'm eagerly awaiting to know about the character's limitations and what's going on with the Indian dude's dad, his death, and the cheerleader's father. Cool stuff. I'd like to be caught up so that I can watch the next season.
 
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Another episode down. Almost as good as Lost. ALMOST. Actually not nearly as entertaining, but it's a great show.
 
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Boo! Get on out a this here thread with your Lost-love!

How far into the show are you now?
 
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