Goodwill
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I'll be Sylar if you can't ever kill me. You've got a deal there, Bass.
I'll be Sylar if you can't ever kill me. You've got a deal there, Bass.
Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]
ProjectX2
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But how are you going to stop Hiro coming back from the future to tell Peter to save Claire?
A Heroes RPG would be so ****ing neat.
But how are you going to stop Hiro coming back from the future to tell Peter to save Claire?
A Heroes RPG would be so ****ing neat.
Dr.Strangefate
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RPGs have NEVER worked on these boards.
RPGs have NEVER worked on these boards.
Ultimate Quicksilver
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Goodwill
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I would've won any Survivor game on this board. Just saying. :-D
Anyway...
Hiro was my favorite character. He was the most consistent and certainly one of the most memorable characters on the show... As I mentioned before, a lot of them are expendable characters. I don't care if DL, Micah, OR Nikki comes back. Yeah, Hiro is my boy. And so is Parkman.
Oh, and hey - just watched a Clockwork Orange last night... Didn't know Linderman was the lead in that movie! Woah...
I would've won any Survivor game on this board. Just saying. :-D
Anyway...
Hiro was my favorite character. He was the most consistent and certainly one of the most memorable characters on the show... As I mentioned before, a lot of them are expendable characters. I don't care if DL, Micah, OR Nikki comes back. Yeah, Hiro is my boy. And so is Parkman.
Oh, and hey - just watched a Clockwork Orange last night... Didn't know Linderman was the lead in that movie! Woah...
DIrishB
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I don't know why, but I wasn't as into Firefly as I am with Lost or Heroes. Maybe I'm just more of a style over substance type guy. Don't get me wrong, I love Firefly, and hate Fox for cancelling it. I guess Lost and Heroes were just lucky enough to air on a network who actually were willing to give them a chance. Well, ratings, media buzz, etc also all played a part. But I digress.
I don't even know what I'm saying. I should go eat something, my brain isn't working very well right now. Stupid hypoglemic reactions!
I don't know why, but I wasn't as into Firefly as I am with Lost or Heroes. Maybe I'm just more of a style over substance type guy. Don't get me wrong, I love Firefly, and hate Fox for cancelling it. I guess Lost and Heroes were just lucky enough to air on a network who actually were willing to give them a chance. Well, ratings, media buzz, etc also all played a part. But I digress.
I don't even know what I'm saying. I should go eat something, my brain isn't working very well right now. Stupid hypoglemic reactions!
ProjectX2
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So, I missed the finale last night when it aired on NZ TV so I just watched it online this afternoon... wow... that was extremely corny.
And it sucked. It spent 35 minutes building up until the end, and then the battle everyone's waiting for wasn't a battle. It was a couple of punches, a parking meter, and Hiro somehow able to stab Sylar when he hasn't been able to before. This show is so inconsistent is annoys me. It gives me THE RAGE!
The only good bits of this episode was some of Sylar's scenes and the Kensei ending. Otherwise it was bollocks.
I doubt I'll be watching Season 2.
So, I missed the finale last night when it aired on NZ TV so I just watched it online this afternoon... wow... that was extremely corny.
And it sucked. It spent 35 minutes building up until the end, and then the battle everyone's waiting for wasn't a battle. It was a couple of punches, a parking meter, and Hiro somehow able to stab Sylar when he hasn't been able to before. This show is so inconsistent is annoys me. It gives me THE RAGE!
The only good bits of this episode was some of Sylar's scenes and the Kensei ending. Otherwise it was bollocks.
I doubt I'll be watching Season 2.
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DIrishB
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I agree in this aspect. After an entire season of build-up to the fateful showdown between Sylar and the Supers, it was a complete let-down. Very anti-climactic. I suppose that was more of a budget issue than anything, though.
I believe that was what is called "character progression". A character discovering they're able to complete a task they never dreamed they'd be able to and even failed at before (see Luke's journey to becoming a Jedi Knight in the original SW trilogy for clarification). The whole training with his father and learning about his ancestry was a direct motivator in him accomplishing his Sylar-stabbing.
DUH!
You're brain is inconsistent and gives you nothing more than explosive diarhea.
I wouldn't say it was bollocks. However, I do agree it was severly lacking.
I'll watch Season 2, it did a good enough job in the first to keep me watching.
I agree in this aspect. After an entire season of build-up to the fateful showdown between Sylar and the Supers, it was a complete let-down. Very anti-climactic. I suppose that was more of a budget issue than anything, though.
I believe that was what is called "character progression". A character discovering they're able to complete a task they never dreamed they'd be able to and even failed at before (see Luke's journey to becoming a Jedi Knight in the original SW trilogy for clarification). The whole training with his father and learning about his ancestry was a direct motivator in him accomplishing his Sylar-stabbing.
DUH!
You're brain is inconsistent and gives you nothing more than explosive diarhea.
I wouldn't say it was bollocks. However, I do agree it was severly lacking.
I'll watch Season 2, it did a good enough job in the first to keep me watching.
Goodwill
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PX2 is absolutely right. The ending was rushed and watered down so much that the anticipation that they built up in the season did not suffice. Even I noticed that, not following along week by week. I'm telling you, the DC/Marvel thing rings VERY true to Lost and Heroes... But enough about that or Bass might come in here with an "argument" again. ;-)
PX2 is absolutely right. The ending was rushed and watered down so much that the anticipation that they built up in the season did not suffice. Even I noticed that, not following along week by week. I'm telling you, the DC/Marvel thing rings VERY true to Lost and Heroes... But enough about that or Bass might come in here with an "argument" again. ;-)
DIrishB
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Bass
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Regarding the problems of the Heroes finale - I think it's a better finale than you guys are giving credit for. Yes it's small, and yes, it's rather predictable. But I'm rather happy since most finales involve over-the-top bombastic special effects and nonsense shock twists that make no sense. It's nice to see a finale in which very little happens, but the meaning is still there, and it feels like the last dominoes falling with no effort at all. The ending wasn't the best thing ever, but it was very well set-up and it was the pay-off they had been saying was coming since the beginning. The show states clearly they aren't superheroes - one day they might be, but they aren't yet. Expecting these extremely normal people to have some kind of over-the-top special effects highly publicized fight scene would be inappropriate to the show we've been watching for the last season. At least, that's how I feel. You may disagree, but that's how I see it.
However, one thing that pisses me off is the idea that Hiro stabbing Sylar is "inconsistent".
Watch it again and look at Sylar's face when he gets stabbed. Look at what the actor does.
Sylar gets stabbed not because Hiro has the proportional strength of plot, but because he doesn't believe it will happen. When he picks up the comic, he yells, "Stabbed to death by a SILLY LITTLE MAN?!", as if he's offended by the idea Hiro could kill him. Hiro tried once and failed. When Hiro saves Ando, he just runs away. So when Hiro pops up in the plaza, despite all the evidence to the contrary, Sylar's pride, his belief that he is special and above the rest (y'know, the driving force of the character) makes him completely unprepared, and you can see the shock in Sylar's face, the complete disbelief.
It's not an inconsistency or a plot hole. It's totally what those characters would do in that situation.
Regarding the problems of the Heroes finale - I think it's a better finale than you guys are giving credit for. Yes it's small, and yes, it's rather predictable. But I'm rather happy since most finales involve over-the-top bombastic special effects and nonsense shock twists that make no sense. It's nice to see a finale in which very little happens, but the meaning is still there, and it feels like the last dominoes falling with no effort at all. The ending wasn't the best thing ever, but it was very well set-up and it was the pay-off they had been saying was coming since the beginning. The show states clearly they aren't superheroes - one day they might be, but they aren't yet. Expecting these extremely normal people to have some kind of over-the-top special effects highly publicized fight scene would be inappropriate to the show we've been watching for the last season. At least, that's how I feel. You may disagree, but that's how I see it.
However, one thing that pisses me off is the idea that Hiro stabbing Sylar is "inconsistent".
Watch it again and look at Sylar's face when he gets stabbed. Look at what the actor does.
Sylar gets stabbed not because Hiro has the proportional strength of plot, but because he doesn't believe it will happen. When he picks up the comic, he yells, "Stabbed to death by a SILLY LITTLE MAN?!", as if he's offended by the idea Hiro could kill him. Hiro tried once and failed. When Hiro saves Ando, he just runs away. So when Hiro pops up in the plaza, despite all the evidence to the contrary, Sylar's pride, his belief that he is special and above the rest (y'know, the driving force of the character) makes him completely unprepared, and you can see the shock in Sylar's face, the complete disbelief.
It's not an inconsistency or a plot hole. It's totally what those characters would do in that situation.
Goodwill
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The inconsistancy wasn't the problem. It was how it was put together, contrived, for the sake of bringing things full circle. I feel like the entire first season built to something that ran sloppily to a mediocre ending. Hiro's father all of a sudden suporting his off beat ambitions, Linderman having such an essential role to the supernatural corner of the show as opposed to just the villainy that Nikki and everyone else was involved with. He HAD to have super powers, too, didn't he? ...And the jump-the-shark episode for me (this season) was when Peter and Nikki were dating in the future. That was just uneasy to see... Because it was so out of place and character for both of them.
Anyway... I'm beginning to sound like I don't enjoy this show. I do, believe me. I just can't let Bass give it all this praise. It deserves criticism.
The inconsistancy wasn't the problem. It was how it was put together, contrived, for the sake of bringing things full circle. I feel like the entire first season built to something that ran sloppily to a mediocre ending. Hiro's father all of a sudden suporting his off beat ambitions, Linderman having such an essential role to the supernatural corner of the show as opposed to just the villainy that Nikki and everyone else was involved with. He HAD to have super powers, too, didn't he? ...And the jump-the-shark episode for me (this season) was when Peter and Nikki were dating in the future. That was just uneasy to see... Because it was so out of place and character for both of them.
Anyway... I'm beginning to sound like I don't enjoy this show. I do, believe me. I just can't let Bass give it all this praise. It deserves criticism.
ultimatedjf
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Okay, that statement irks me a lot. People go on about how they want their characters to have 'arcs', that they want characters to change into something that they were not at the beginning. So when the show jumps five years into the future and the characters aren't acting like the way they do in the present, this is 'out of character'. Could it not be that this is showing you the end of the character arc? It makes perfect sense that the characters would be acting differently five years from now. Thing is, I didn't like the dating thing because it's kind of a cliche. There wasn't much point to it. But it didn't annoy me that characters weren't quite right. That's the point.
As for Linderman - in the Nikki/DL/Micah story he was never not a villain. It was only in the Petrelli storyarc he was a superpowered member of the original order. It made complete sense for the character. He just sees everyone as tools for his end, and it seems, he personally had more invested in the trio (he says he brought them together) - for them to rebel against him really pissed him off. If he had lived, it would've been interesting to see how angry he would've got with Nathan's decision.
I think so too. There's quite a bit of nonsense in the show (especially at the beginning) and some characters are rather annoying. BUT there are some things the show did really well, and one of them was the consistency of the characters and the structure of the stories many plots. I think it did everything it said it was going to, and didn't cheat it's way out of an ending. If you look at it, the story is actually a banal coincidence-laden story, and to craft it so it's palatable and meaningful, they came up with a clockwork conspiracy through time (utilising Hiro and Isaac particularly) to create that meaning.
Yes, it does deserve criticism, but I don't think most of the 'criticism' I've seen is appropriate or entirely correct. I'm not refuting your right to criticise, but I'm refuting the points I think are wrong. The continuous "Heroes was okay, but this bit pissed me off" remarks make me sound like more of a Heroes-lover than I am, I think.
Okay, that statement irks me a lot. People go on about how they want their characters to have 'arcs', that they want characters to change into something that they were not at the beginning. So when the show jumps five years into the future and the characters aren't acting like the way they do in the present, this is 'out of character'. Could it not be that this is showing you the end of the character arc? It makes perfect sense that the characters would be acting differently five years from now. Thing is, I didn't like the dating thing because it's kind of a cliche. There wasn't much point to it. But it didn't annoy me that characters weren't quite right. That's the point.
As for Linderman - in the Nikki/DL/Micah story he was never not a villain. It was only in the Petrelli storyarc he was a superpowered member of the original order. It made complete sense for the character. He just sees everyone as tools for his end, and it seems, he personally had more invested in the trio (he says he brought them together) - for them to rebel against him really pissed him off. If he had lived, it would've been interesting to see how angry he would've got with Nathan's decision.
I think so too. There's quite a bit of nonsense in the show (especially at the beginning) and some characters are rather annoying. BUT there are some things the show did really well, and one of them was the consistency of the characters and the structure of the stories many plots. I think it did everything it said it was going to, and didn't cheat it's way out of an ending. If you look at it, the story is actually a banal coincidence-laden story, and to craft it so it's palatable and meaningful, they came up with a clockwork conspiracy through time (utilising Hiro and Isaac particularly) to create that meaning.
Yes, it does deserve criticism, but I don't think most of the 'criticism' I've seen is appropriate or entirely correct. I'm not refuting your right to criticise, but I'm refuting the points I think are wrong. The continuous "Heroes was okay, but this bit pissed me off" remarks make me sound like more of a Heroes-lover than I am, I think.
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Season One of Heroes comes to DVD August 28th.
source: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QDLSR0/comingsoon
Season One of Heroes comes to DVD August 28th.
source: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QDLSR0/comingsoon
ProjectX2
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Looks like DC are collecting the online comics... http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=122620
Looks like DC are collecting the online comics... http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=122620
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Um...I honestly thought the finale was amazing. It started off a bit slow, but the ending was great and a great payoff to Nathan's character. Some stuff felt a bit rushed and unresolved (pretty much anything to do with Matt or Mohinder) but everything else was summed up nicely. I really enjoyed it. 8/10
Um...I honestly thought the finale was amazing. It started off a bit slow, but the ending was great and a great payoff to Nathan's character. Some stuff felt a bit rushed and unresolved (pretty much anything to do with Matt or Mohinder) but everything else was summed up nicely. I really enjoyed it. 8/10
