Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

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I think Peter will return when Sylar does.

Also, I have a cyncial, albeit funny view of all the 'near' deaths of Parkman, and DL in the show. They're kinda, "These guys are alive - unless they play hardball in the contract negotiations!" :lol: :lol:
 
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Also, I have a cyncial, albeit funny view of all the 'near' deaths of Parkman, and DL in the show. They're kinda, "These guys are alive - unless they play hardball in the contract negotiations!" :lol: :lol:

HA..yes you're probably right. Has Tim Kring made any attempt to contact you, for a job yet Bass?

Why do you think the guy in 17th century is hiros dad? that wouldn't make any sense.

Best lines of the show were
Ando: Hiro, You look Bas-***

and Hiro stabbing sylar: Yatta ...just made me think of the green leaves song all over again.
 
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A great season, a great new show, and a terrific finale...

The finale was a BIT weird for me... it has grown on me, and that experience started literally within minutes of watching it. I think I was expecting...hoping for... a more traditional, big league super hero/villain smackdown. Sylar, after all, has a LOT of powers in his bag of tricks, and has deployed them pretty creatively, and with most of the existing "HEROES", including Peter, coming up against him, I figured on a big time showdown. Yes, I know - budget limitations...*S*...

BUT... once I got past the prejudice of my own expectations, and just kind of took it in... a very satisfying, and more "real", showdown. Each of the characters got "his inning", Sylar WAS very formidable, Hiro did NOT disappoint, Claire DID play a very significant role (I was a bit disappointed that, after the cool "Save the Cheerleader" arc, her role briefly became more peripheral), Bennett (Noah?!) was great... it was terrific.

And all the more so because I honestly did not feel that Nathan's change of heart was inevitable. On so many shows, you can absolutely KNOW what "must" happen. Not so much here. I could easily have seen that one go either way, credibly. Which made Nathan's "redemption" much more powerful.

My only disappointment is that Season One is now over... *S*

Shadow

PS - I would have bet that when the "illusion casting" bad girl got KO'd, we would discover her true form...and that she would turn out to be really fat, or ugly, or..something. Lots of hints to that effect in the last episode or so. But no, when she was knocked out, she pretty much looked like...er...herself. So I guess that IS her "real form" , unless we are to believe she can retain her "fake self" even when unconscious....
 
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It's possible. But then, who wanted to see her turn into Cartman really? :wink:

HA..yes you're probably right. Has Tim Kring made any attempt to contact you, for a job yet Bass?

I AM TIM KRING.​

No.

No he hasn't.

Foolish mortal.
 
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My friend and I were talking and thought what if Papa Nakamura was Kensei, they didn't reveal his face at all, which leads me to think it is someone we know, and it would make sense for it to be Mr Sulu.



And I loved the teaser for volume 2 with Hiro. It's blatantly his dad in the armour with the Godsend banner. We all know it. But will Hiro tell his dad it's him?

I'm glad someone agrees with me....
 
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I'm glad Candice wasn't fat and ugly.

But is it just me, or is Ali Larter getting a little big? She doesn't look the same as she did early in the season.
 
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She looks fine.

Aaaaaanyhoo. So I was thinking about Hiro and his involvement in the finale. When you think about it, he doesn't do much. He just stabs Sylar then disappears. Sylar doesn't even die. So... what did it matter? I remember reading that each character was important to the finale being the way it was, so it's a little fun exercise to say, "What if this character wasn't there?" So with Hiro, it would kinda go like this -

Sylar never gets taken down. With his telekinetic powers, Claire (and indeed no one else) can shoot Peter dead. With Sylar still standing, there's no way anyone can stop Peter from blowing up in the Kirby Plaza. Nathan might be able to grab Peter, but I doubt he'd get far with Sylar telekinetically holding him back or throwing things at him. Peter of course, can't take Sylar down. When he starts going boom, the last thing he wants to do is unleash any of it, and as Peter says, "He can't do anything".

That makes me think that without Hiro stabbing Sylar, Peter tries to restrain from going boom. Which is why he would go boom during the day, not night. When Nathan flies him to safety, Peter would just 'let go' and go boom (especially if Nathan flies him high, then flies away to safety before he goes boom) - but yes, as far as I can tell, without Hiro, it's all badness.

I know it's nothing insightful, but it's just a lot of little things I already knew clicking into place to make me see that while Hiro does so little in the finale fight and is in the plaza for just a few seconds, it means so much when you consider the larger picture. Pretty cool I thought.

Anyone else want a go at removing another character from the finale?
 
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She looks fine.

Aaaaaanyhoo. So I was thinking about Hiro and his involvement in the finale. When you think about it, he doesn't do much. He just stabs Sylar then disappears. Sylar doesn't even die. So... what did it matter? I remember reading that each character was important to the finale being the way it was, so it's a little fun exercise to say, "What if this character wasn't there?" So with Hiro, it would kinda go like this -

Sylar never gets taken down. With his telekinetic powers, Claire (and indeed no one else) can shoot Peter dead. With Sylar still standing, there's no way anyone can stop Peter from blowing up in the Kirby Plaza. Nathan might be able to grab Peter, but I doubt he'd get far with Sylar telekinetically holding him back or throwing things at him. Peter of course, can't take Sylar down. When he starts going boom, the last thing he wants to do is unleash any of it, and as Peter says, "He can't do anything".

That makes me think that without Hiro stabbing Sylar, Peter tries to restrain from going boom. Which is why he would go boom during the day, not night. When Nathan flies him to safety, Peter would just 'let go' and go boom (especially if Nathan flies him high, then flies away to safety before he goes boom) - but yes, as far as I can tell, without Hiro, it's all badness.

I know it's nothing insightful, but it's just a lot of little things I already knew clicking into place to make me see that while Hiro does so little in the finale fight and is in the plaza for just a few seconds, it means so much when you consider the larger picture. Pretty cool I thought.

Anyone else want a go at removing another character from the finale?

But he is very important. Remeber Sylar in the top of a building after getting Ted's power? "Boom.".
If Peter didn't explode, Sylar would. Also, no one would be able to help Peter with Sylar there.
 
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Anyone else want a go at removing another character from the finale?


Nathan: Without him, obviously, Peter would go boom on the ground and kill everyone.

Niki: No superstrength for Peter to give Sylar that beatdown, and he would have had a parking meter upside the head as Niki stopped Sylar from swinging it.

Claire: If she wasn't in the FINALE, she wouldn't have put the seed to do the right thing in Nathan's head, so leading to Nathan not being there. See above for further details.
 
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I thought about why peter couldn't just fly into space himself....has he ever used 2 different powers at the same time? ..like when he was invisible he couldn't do anything to get at sylar, cuz he can only use one power at a time. Just a thought.
 
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I thought about why peter couldn't just fly into space himself....has he ever used 2 different powers at the same time? ..like when he was invisible he couldn't do anything to get at sylar, cuz he can only use one power at a time. Just a thought.

I brought up the same thing. And Compound said that it was because Peter is too emotional and doesn't think things like that through, Nathan being the more cool-headed one. Or something.
 
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He is concentrating so that he won't explode? He can't just fly around, is kinda like if you need to go to the bathroom, like REALLY need to go, but you have to go there doing blackflips.
 
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He is concentrating so that he won't explode? He can't just fly around, is kinda like if you need to go to the bathroom, like REALLY need to go, but you have to go there doing blackflips.

That would be the coolest thing ever. I'm going to learn how to do backflips, so I never have to walk anywhere, ever again!

And I really didn't get why Peter kept losing control of Ted's powers. It was just a plot device in the end; no real explanation besides the fact that they needed an exploding man.
 
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That would be the coolest thing ever. I'm going to learn how to do backflips, so I never have to walk anywhere, ever again!

And I really didn't get why Peter kept losing control of Ted's powers. It was just a plot device in the end; no real explanation besides the fact that they needed an exploding man.

When he learned his powers he said that to use them he had to feel what he felt when he met the person with the power, or some bull**** like that... Or the power is too big and he can't really control it.
Let us remind that Peter need training to learn to control his powers, Sylar in the other hand now how things work. He just need to eat the brain and he already know how to make the power work. Of course there are some powers that he needs to get used too (superhearing) but most of them he knew how to use almost instantly
 
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I totally called the Nathan flying Peter away to save the city before you did.

So there.

:p

Mr Kring?

Claire: If she wasn't in the FINALE, she wouldn't have put the seed to do the right thing in Nathan's head, so leading to Nathan not being there. See above for further details.

Ah, but here's the thing. Except for something Hiro affected, everything happened as it would've in the future. Which means since Hiro never got to Claire when he came back from 2012, Claire was always there and it wasn't enough originally for Nathan to save Peter. I think Hiro seeing Nathan and saying, "You're already a virrain! Virrain!" pushed him just enough so that Claire's rushing to Peter would make Nathan do it. Claire on her own at that point wouldn't affect it. Ya get me?

I thought about why peter couldn't just fly into space himself....has he ever used 2 different powers at the same time? ..like when he was invisible he couldn't do anything to get at sylar, cuz he can only use one power at a time. Just a thought.

And I really didn't get why Peter kept losing control of Ted's powers. It was just a plot device in the end; no real explanation besides the fact that they needed an exploding man.

When he learned his powers he said that to use them he had to feel what he felt when he met the person with the power, or some bull**** like that... Or the power is too big and he can't really control it.
Let us remind that Peter need training to learn to control his powers, Sylar in the other hand now how things work. He just need to eat the brain and he already know how to make the power work. Of course there are some powers that he needs to get used too (superhearing) but most of them he knew how to use almost instantly

My thinking on this -

Whenever they refer to Peter exploding, Linderman, Mama Petrilli, all refer to it as "the bomb".

I think the powers are genetic and inherently linked in some fashion. I think this concept is similar to the concept used in Rising Stars, where each power is meant to play a part in restructuring the world (and the opening crawl of Gensis implies that the heroes will change the world). I think Sylar's ability to find heroes (he can sense them) and immediately see how things work meant he's the guy who is supposed to be finding heroes and utilising their powers to make a better world, to get whatever destiny has in plan rolling. This is why he keeps ending up with Chandra or Mohinder Suresh looking for other heroes. It's his destiny. But he went crazy and abused his power to make him a predator of destiny. I think, originally, Linderman, Petrilli, and the Company were going to use Sylar (and Molly Walker) to set off the bomb - since Sylar knows how powers work, he could maneuver Peter into going boom. I also think that Peter is the 'back up hard drive' of the powers and that's why he can use any power he gets close to - he's destiny's back up plan.

Either that or if the powers are genetic, Peter is kind of a superpowered stem cell and perhaps the powers can be chosen at birth by certain members in the company and Linderman and Petrelli purposely gave him the 'stem cell' power to facilitate the bomb.

Regardless of the specifics, it's seems to me that those who wanted the bomb to go off were very calculating in utilising Peter's ability to absorb other powers to turn him into a bomb.

Now, Linderman said if you put Isaac's paintings together they tell the future, and when Sylar painted in his mother's blood the explosion, he saw his future as President. Linderman, a collector of Isaac's paintings, could've possibly put them together (as Isaac and Peter did to save Claire) to fortell the future and he knew Ted and Peter would meet at a certain point.

Remember, Linderman said his plans had become unraveled - if my theory of Sylar as the guy who puts destiny together is correct, then his going insane and killing supers would be a big blow to Linderman's plans.

This is because if you watch the finale, Sylar knows how Peter works to some extent (he says in Parasite, "I'd like to see how that works, referring to Peter's power") and I think he did this - Peter copies all the powers of people next to him. By fighting Peter in the Kirby Plaza where there is SEVEN supers (Claire, DL, Niki, Micah, Molly, Parkman, and even Hiro) and Sylar who possesses many powers, including Ted's, I think Sylar understood that if Peter got overloaded, and copies Sylar's Ted powers in addition to him already having that power that he'd go boom. I think this is what everyone was planning on. Remember, Claude told Peter this is what would happen. (On the other hand, perhaps Sylar was hoping that when Peter entered meltdown, now would be his chance to eat his brain and take all his powers...)

Considering he's on overload, I'm not surprised he couldn't do anything. And Peter himself tells Nathan he can't do anything. Essentially, if he's a back up hard drive, he just crashed.

The unanswered question is the details of how the conspirators were going to make Peter go off, and I think that's tied directly into the origin of where the powers come from - and considering Hiro seems to be at the inception of the first superpowered guys, I think we'll find out very early on in season 2 how these powers work and more about where they come from (and probably discover exactly how Sylar 'power stealing' thing works). But while the details of the motivations are left unanswered, it's very obvious that they specifically intended this to occur, and while we may not know how, we are aware of that because of the way the series had continually pointed out that this moment was inevitable. We're unsure as to why, but it's pretty much resolved. And far more so that anything else on tv at the moment. One season and look at how much happened, compared to say, Lost, Galactica, or anything else. The main villain at the beginning of the season, Bennet turns into one of the main heroes. Lots of great stuff here.
 
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Was thinking... I have heard a few people complaining that Sylar should have died after that etc etc. But it hit me that its easy enough to explain how he survives. The guy has perfect control of his powers, that means that he could easily use his TK to block the loss of blood and holes in him until they have time to heal.


Another thought came to me... If the characters in Heroes were actual superheroes, what supercodenames would they have? like Timelord for Hiro, or Emosponge for Peter....
 
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Sylar survived using a trick he displayed earlier. When he was incarcerated by Bennet and the Company, Sylar studies cockroaches and the next scene - everyone thinks he's dead. He did the same thing here - there's a cockroach on the storm drain.

As for the superhero codenames - Emosponge is brilliant! :lol: :lol:

I like "Flying Man!" for Nathan Petrelli. :D

And Sylar is Sylar of course. :D
 
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