Valiant Relaunch

[DIrishB]

I'm going to try Quantum & Woody and X-O Manowar again. EDIT: Read the first arc of Quantum & Woody. Really thin on the plot there. Going to do Rai now instead of continuing.

I specifically said previously that Q&W isn't a deep read, nor is it a book you read for the plot. It's a book you read for humor, of which it does a great job. I chuckle or outright laugh at least two to three times per issue.

If you're going to read Rai I'd wait until the current arc finishes in August so you can read it all in one go. Crain's artwork is absolutely beautiful and the writing by Kindt is very solid. However, while you can read Rai without any knowledge of the other Valiant books, I definitely recommend reading more of the other titles such as Harbinger, Unity, Bloodshot, etc, since there are references and characters from those books that will make more sense if you know about them. Plus, Rai is essentially Bloodshot in the future, but without the Wolverine influence. Very different character, just same or similar power set with upgrades.

 

[wyokid]

I specifically said previously that Q&W isn't a deep read, nor is it a book you read for the plot. It's a book you read for humor, of which it does a great job. I chuckle or outright laugh at least two to three times per issue.

I think I laughed once or twice for the first arc so I'd say it's not really for me. It did make me want to check out that Gambit series from a couple years ago though.

If you're going to read Rai I'd wait until the current arc finishes in August so you can read it all in one go.

Too late.

Crain's artwork is absolutely beautiful and the writing by Kindt is very solid.

The writing was good, albeit incredibly silly (but so are all of these books it seems), but I can't say I care for the art still. Crain's Carnage work is awesome so I don't know why I don't like it here. It's weird.

However, while you can read Rai without any knowledge of the other Valiant books, I definitely recommend reading more of the other titles such as Harbinger, Unity, Bloodshot, etc, since there are references and characters from those books that will make more sense if you know about them. Plus, Rai is essentially Bloodshot in the future, but without the Wolverine influence. Very different character, just same or similar power set with upgrades.

I had no problem with it. Quit trying to get me to read Harbinger

 

[DIrishB]

I think I laughed once or twice for the first arc so I'd say it's not really for me. It did make me want to check out that Gambit series from a couple years ago though.

Um. Ok.

Too late. The writing was good, albeit incredibly silly (but so are all of these books it seems), but I can't say I care for the art still.

Silly? How so? And keep in mind you're the one who recommended I read IDW's Transformers, which is the definition of silly in all regards (and completely unintended).

This is another of those statements like the "Nolan was ashamed to be making a Batman film" that is erroneously incorrect and completely unsupported, by you or the facts. You're entitled to your opinion, as long as you understand your opinion is wrong.

Crain's Carnage work is awesome so I don't know why I don't like it here. It's weird. I had no problem with it.

It's probably because his beautiful artwork isn't telling the story of a lame, one dimensional character like Carnage or Gambit.

Quit trying to get me to read Harbinger

No.

 

[wyokid]

James Asmus wrote the Gambit series. Even though I don't care about Gambit Q&W's tone is enough to get me to check it out.

They're all really violent and I find it over the top so it makes me laugh. Also Transformers is about transforming robots from space, it is the definition of silly.

I'm sorry, did you read the Carnage minis? Zeb Wells wrote them so they were fantastic!

 

[DIrishB]

James Asmus wrote the Gambit series. Even though I don't care about Gambit Q&W's tone is enough to get me to check it out. They're all really violent and I find it over the top so it makes me laugh.

I'd love you to name how any title is any more violent than most comics published by DC, Marvel, Image, etc. Bloodshot may be the only example of that. The rest aren't at all. So again, a falsely illogical assessment on your part.

Also Transformers is about transforming robots from space, it is the definition of silly. I'm sorry, did you read the Carnage minis? Zeb Wells wrote them so they were fantastic!

Nope. I don't like Carnage, so no motivation to read them.

 

[wyokid]

I'd love you to name how any title is any more violent than most comics published by DC, Marvel, Image, etc. Bloodshot may be the only example of that. The rest aren't at all. So again, a falsely illogical assessment on your part.

I didn't say they weren't. I also didn't say I didn't find those other publisher's comics silly as well.

Nope. I don't like Carnage, so no motivation to read them.

Ah. For some reason I love Carnage but never found Venom interesting until Remender's run.

 

[DIrishB]

I didn't say they weren't. I also didn't say I didn't find those other publisher's comics silly as well.

The fact you read comics by those publishers and don't "laugh" would imply as much.

Ah. For some reason I love Carnage but never found Venom interesting until Remender's run.

He's a serial killing version of Venom prone to ultra violence... and yet you find the Valiant titles too violent? Riiiiiiiiiiight...

 

[wyokid]

The fact you read comics by those publishers and don't "laugh" would imply as much.



He's a serial killing version of Venom prone to ultra violence... and yet you find the Valiant titles too violent? Riiiiiiiiiiight...

I didn't say I didn't laugh at those. I do, especially Marvel's stuff.

Did I say they were too violent? I legitimately don't remember

 

[DIrishB]

I didn't say I didn't laugh at those. I do, especially Marvel's stuff. Did I say they were too violent? I legitimately don't remember

You said:

They're all really violent and I find it over the top so it makes me laugh

I'm taking "too" and "really" as pretty similar qualifiers.

But besides Bloodshot and maybe Harbinger, how are they any more violent (which the "really violent" description by you would indicate) than most comics?

 

[wyokid]

You said:



I'm taking "too" and "really" as pretty similar qualifiers.

But besides Bloodshot and maybe Harbinger, how are they any more violent (which the "really violent" description by you would indicate) than most comics?

Please don't because that isn't what I'm saying. Commando is my favorite Ahnold movie and that's so freaking violent. I'm just pointing out that they're really violent and it makes me laugh.

Rai cuts off some dude's fingers. Shadowman was gory. Quantum & Woody wasn't too violent but it was slapsticky.

 

[DIrishB]

Please don't because that isn't what I'm saying. Commando is my favorite Ahnold movie and that's so freaking violent. I'm just pointing out that they're really violent and it makes me laugh. Rai cuts off some dude's fingers. Shadowman was gory. Quantum & Woody wasn't too violent but it was slapsticky.

Granted there is violence and gore, but I'd say, with the exception of Bloodshot and Shadowman's first arc, none of it is over the top of excessive.

 

[wyokid]

I consider it over the top. Just because there isn't a lot of it doesn't mean it's not over the top. Also I'm not sure why you're being defensive, it's not like I'm saying that as a criticism.

 

[DIrishB]

I consider it over the top. Just because there isn't a lot of it doesn't mean it's not over the top. Also I'm not sure why you're being defensive, it's not like I'm saying that as a criticism.

I'm not being defensive, just disagreeing with you. You should be used to that by now. It's sort of our thing.

 

[DIrishB]

Jeff Lemire and Matt Kindt are co-writing an upcoming mystery project for Valiant, with art by Paolo Rivera.

Given how impressed I've been with Kindt's existing work in the Valiant universe, combined with Lemire's awesome work in just about everything he does, I can't wait to find out just what this title is going to be.

Also, wyo, Cary Nord released a page of artwork from an unannounced book coming in October. Great art, and looks to feature Eternal Warrior, so either it's Eternal Warrior #9 or more likely an Eternal Warrior #0 issue.

 

[wyokid]

So does Rai not take place on Earth?

 

[DIrishB]

So does Rai not take place on Earth?

Well, it takes place in Neo Japan, which is a massive structure that's been built on the Japanese islands and reaches almost to space. But it takes place on Earth, just in 4001 AD.

The third issue came out yesterday and raised some very interesting questions about Rai (who and what he is) and Father (the AI which controls all of Neo Japan).

Also, Armor Hunters #2 was excellent.

 

[wyokid]

I'm just confused why they're saying Earth when we would say Hell.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm just confused why they're saying Earth when we would say Hell.

Because much of Earth is a nuclear wasteland, so in their time Earth has essentially become Hell. There are some portions that are liveable, as shown in Eternal Warrior #5-8, but much of it is all nuked.

 

[wyokid]

Archer & Armstrong Film In The Works

Because much of Earth is a nuclear wasteland, so in their time Earth has essentially become Hell. There are some portions that are liveable, as shown in Eternal Warrior #5-8, but much of it is all nuked.

Ah. I don't really pay attention to dates and kind of forgot this was all one universe.

 

[DIrishB]

Archer & Armstrong Film In The Works

Yup, meant to post that. I'm expecting a big announcement at SDCC. There is also a Shadowman film in the works with a script by J. Michael Straczynski and a Bloodshot film being developed. It'd be cool to see a smaller published like Valiant start their own interconnected film universe. I don't think it'll have anywhere near the same financial success as the Marvel Cinematic Universe or WB's DC Cinematic Universe, but I do think the Valiant library is stocked with interesting characters and books in a number of different genres that could translate really well to screen. I also think it's really smart to kick things off with an Archer & Armstrong movie, as it offers a great blend of action and adventure, humor, conspiracy theory, and buddy/bromance elements.

Pretty sure all the planned movies are heavily influenced by the rebooted Valiant universe comics.

Ah. I don't really pay attention to dates and kind of forgot this was all one universe.

Ok.