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the second arc which occurs in 4001 AD.

Oh, that's disappointing to hear. Only reason I was being so chill with it being mostly action was because I thought it was a barbarian book. I might pass on this.

Passing on Harbinger. My big problem with a lot of these is that the main characters aren't likable. I don't care if they have a redemption later on, they need to make me care about them first. I almost quit reading when he used his powers to get laid. Ugh.

Loved Shadowman. Might be my favorite so far.

I'll pass on Bloodshot and Rai.

Alright, looks like the ones I'm going with are Shadowman and Eternal Warrior.
 
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Thus far Shadowman is my favorite. Also really dug the first few issues of Eternal Warrior. A&A has been consistently good. Funny how everyone seems to have different favorites. Just goes to show IMO, the quality across all titles and that there is something for everyone. Good stuff. I'm looking forward to Rai.

Great point. I still think Shadowman is the weakest title but can see why some like it. And Shadowman #0 was fantastic.


Oh, that's disappointing to hear. Only reason I was being so chill with it being mostly action was because I thought it was a barbarian book.

It is a barbarian book. The 4001 AD thing is an idea pulled from the original 90's Valiant books. They introduced that time frame in Eternal Warrior #5-8, where Gilad is leader of a tribe of people who are essentially living much like people lived thousands of years ago due to surviving a nuclear holocaust, with the occasional robotic wolf and nuclear radiation aspects thrown in for good measure. The second arc was quite enjoyable, as I said I loved the interaction between Gilad and his granddaughter. The arc ends in an interesting mirror to Gilad's experience with his daughter in the first arc, raising interesting questions about his offspring.

The 4001 AD time period is also shown in the current series Rai, though in the Rai series (which takes place in future Japan) the island of Japan apparently survived the nuclear holocaust and continued with tech and advanced science, eventually leading Japan to build a series of gigantic sectors reaching to space. The artwork by Clayton Crain is beautiful, and the story is interesting, involving Rai (who may or may not be using advanced Bloodshot tech) investigating the first murder in Japan in 1,000 years. It's a beautiful book in terms of the art, and the story is a worthwhile read so far.

I might pass on this. Passing on Harbinger. My big problem with a lot of these is that the main characters aren't likable. I don't care if they have a redemption later on, they need to make me care about them first. I almost quit reading when he used his powers to get laid. Ugh. Loved Shadowman. Might be my favorite so far. I'll pass on Bloodshot and Rai. Alright, looks like the ones I'm going with are Shadowman and Eternal Warrior.

It's short sighted to pass on the books because the characters aren't likable at first. In fact I'd argue that approach severely limits character development and certainly in one of the more interesting ways, which is redemption arcs.

If you keep reading Harbinger you'll see that Peter genuinely feels guilty for his actions with Kris and spends a lot of the later issues trying to atone for that, including risking his life and eventually making a huge personal sacrifice to do so as well as avenge Joe. And in my opinion someone doing something morally questionably doesn't make me not care about them as a character at first. In fact it makes them more relatable and understandable, since everyone has shortcomings. The interesting part is their journey to become better, the sacrifices they make to do so, etc. That's Harbinger in a nutshell. It's also Valiant's best book, critically speaking, and with good reason. The mind control to get laid thing is a true examination of what could happen when people had such powers, and is a far more realistic approach than the Professor X cliche.

Shadowman is your favorite? That's literally the weakest Valiant title there is. It gets better once Milligan starts writing with issue #13, but even then it's a bit late 80's/early 90's supernatural Vertigo for my tastes. And #12 (which is an Anniversary issue made up of short stories) is pretty bad. That's the one Valiant issue they've released that I've disliked. Overall Shadowman is ok, it's just not my cup of tea. It's also the title with the weakest character development and plot advancement overall. However, there are some cool ideas introduced in it. The Deadside in the second and third arcs is interesting, and the Shadowman #0 issue (focusing on the origins of Darque and his sister, and how the Shadowman loa came from them) was fantastic.

If you're skipping Bloodshot and Rai, that's disappointing. I get that you don't like the abundant violence or whatever that's a big part of Bloodshot; but it's overall a great book. Excellent job of examining the experimental aspect of the military industrial complex, and watching the evolution of Bloodshot was really cool. The first couple arcs (issues #1-8) were a bit "meh", but the stuff after was great, including the two #0 issues (Bloodshot #0 and HARD Corps #0).

And Rai is just beautiful. It's violence is quite toned down by modern comic standards, and as I said it's artwork is absolutely beautiful. It'd be worth reading just for Crain's artwork alone, were the story not interesting.
 
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It's short sighted to pass on the books because the characters aren't likable at first. In fact I'd argue that approach severely limits character development and certainly in one of the more interesting ways, which is redemption arcs.

Sorry I mean they don't click with me. After reading enough Mark Millar I can't read stories where I don't care about the character anymore.

If you keep reading Harbinger you'll see that Peter genuinely feels guilty for his actions with Kris and spends a lot of the later issues trying to atone for that, including risking his life and eventually making a huge personal sacrifice to do so as well as avenge Joe. And in my opinion someone doing something morally questionably doesn't make me not care about them as a character at first. In fact it makes them more relatable and understandable, since everyone has shortcomings. The interesting part is their journey to become better, the sacrifices they make to do so, etc. That's Harbinger in a nutshell. It's also Valiant's best book, critically speaking, and with good reason. The mind control to get laid thing is a true examination of what could happen when people had such powers, and is a far more realistic approach than the Professor X cliche.

I'm not really an X-Men fan and it felt like X-Men and what you just described sounds very X-Men-y.

Shadowman is your favorite? That's literally the weakest Valiant title there is. It gets better once Milligan starts writing with issue #13, but even then it's a bit late 80's/early 90's supernatural Vertigo for my tastes. And #12 (which is an Anniversary issue made up of short stories) is pretty bad. That's the one Valiant issue they've released that I've disliked. Overall Shadowman is ok, it's just not my cup of tea. It's also the title with the weakest character development and plot advancement overall. However, there are some cool ideas introduced in it. The Deadside in the second and third arcs is interesting, and the Shadowman #0 issue (focusing on the origins of Darque and his sister, and how the Shadowman loa came from them) was fantastic.

I like horror and the supernatural a lot and this was definitely that.

If you're skipping Bloodshot and Rai, that's disappointing. I get that you don't like the abundant violence or whatever that's a big part of Bloodshot; but it's overall a great book. Excellent job of examining the experimental aspect of the military industrial complex, and watching the evolution of Bloodshot was really cool. The first couple arcs (issues #1-8) were a bit "meh", but the stuff after was great, including the two #0 issues (Bloodshot #0 and HARD Corps #0).

Yeah, it didn't jive with me. My friend thought I would like it, not sure why.

And Rai is just beautiful. It's violence is quite toned down by modern comic standards, and as I said it's artwork is absolutely beautiful. It'd be worth reading just for Crain's artwork alone, were the story not interesting.

Crain's art is why I'm passing. Loved it in Carnage but hate it here for some reason.
 
Sorry I mean they don't click with me. After reading enough Mark Millar I can't read stories where I don't care about the character anymore. I'm not really an X-Men fan and it felt like X-Men and what you just described sounds very X-Men-y. I like horror and the supernatural a lot and this was definitely that. Yeah, it didn't jive with me. My friend thought I would like it, not sure why. Crain's art is why I'm passing. Loved it in Carnage but hate it here for some reason.

I've come to the conclusion you are my polar opposite. The Professor Zoom to my Flash. Which makes me think I'm not going to like the Transformers stuff at all. But I'll still try them out. I'll probably read them all even if I don't like them because I'm stubborn, which means you're probably a Buddhist Zen master.
 
I've come to the conclusion you are my polar opposite. The Professor Zoom to my Flash. Which makes me think I'm not going to like the Transformers stuff at all. But I'll still try them out. I'll probably read them all even if I don't like them because I'm stubborn, which means you're probably a Buddhist Zen master.

You two are like TCB's own Quantum and Woody. I quite enjoy it.
 
Did Shadowman end with #16? Also I'm stopping Eternal Warrior and Quantum and Woody. QAW just wasn't doing it for me and EW wasn't the book I thought it was going to be or wanted it to be. Got to the end of the first arc with both, not bad but not something I really want to continue reading. Shadowman is still awesome though!
 
Did Shadowman end with #16? Also I'm stopping Eternal Warrior and Quantum and Woody. QAW just wasn't doing it for me and EW wasn't the book I thought it was going to be or wanted it to be. Got to the end of the first arc with both, not bad but not something I really want to continue reading. Shadowman is still awesome though!

Shadowman went on hiatus. There's a mini series currently running called Shadowman - End Times (3 issues) which explores Jack's battle with his loa and finding out what happened to his father. The first two issues have been released, the third comes out either this month or next. Shadowman will return in a few months after the Armor Hunters event finishes. I believe it comes back in November or December. There's a Shadowman spin-off called The Death-Defying Dr. Mirage that I believe begins in October and lasts five issues.

I definitely recommend you check out EW #5-8. It's a major improvement over the first arc, as I said. I found the first EW arc to be rather disjointed.

Quantum & Woody isn't really a book that offers much beyond humor. It excels at the funny, but it's storylines aren't exactly attention-grabbing.
 
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I just finished Eternal Warrior #5 and while I'm going to finish the arc I'm REALLY disappointed by the time jump. I'd have much preferred a comic about him hunting gods. I don't like time jumps in general. They're weird often times don't make sense. Shadowman's second arc was awesome!

EDIT: Caught up on Eternal Warrior. This comic is ridiculous lol. Shadowman has completely lost me. Only have two issues left but I don't see me continuing after that unless it gets a new writer.
 
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I just finished Eternal Warrior #5 and while I'm going to finish the arc I'm REALLY disappointed by the time jump. I'd have much preferred a comic about him hunting gods. I don't like time jumps in general. They're weird often times don't make sense. Shadowman's second arc was awesome! EDIT: Caught up on Eternal Warrior. This comic is ridiculous lol. Shadowman has completely lost me. Only have two issues left but I don't see me continuing after that unless it gets a new writer.

You are so weird. EW's second arc, time jump or not, is far better than the first arc. Shadowman as a whole is a weak comic, yet it seemed to be your favorite, at least until Milligan took over with issue #13, which is where it actually starts to get interesting.

Did you read Shadowman - End Times?
 
I agree, the second arc for Eternal Warrior was indeed better. I read all of Shadowman. Loved the first writer's stuff and then it got more of a voodoo vibe and lost me.
 
I agree, the second arc for Eternal Warrior was indeed better. I read all of Shadowman. Loved the first writer's stuff and then it got more of a voodoo vibe and lost me.

Considering voodoo is such a large part of the Shadowman mythos and character, not sure why you view that as a bad thing. That's equivalent to not liking X-Men because of it's message of tolerance and equal rights.
 
I love supernatural stuff but for some reason voodoo almost always bores me.
 
It seemed more like demons and stuff than voodoo. Then it went full on voodoo. Never go full voodoo
 
It seemed more like demons and stuff than voodoo. Then it went full on voodoo. Never go full voodoo

Lol.

The voodoo elements have always been front and center. The demons/ghosts were all linked to voodoo. Heck, Shadowman's loa is a direct result of voodoo sorcery. If you didn't read Shadowman #0 you might've missed that. The #0 issue is one of the best, if not the best, Shadowman issue.
 
I read it, but it never seemed voodoo until then. I don't know how many times I have to say that. I'm going to read Mirage because it has a new writer.
 
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Shadowman as a whole is a weak comic

You keep saying this but I have to disagree. To say its weak implies it is poorly written or illustrated or something. And honestly I have to say I disagree. Now, the book may not do anything for you but it is def not a "weak" book. If any of these are weak books, imo, it would be Bloodshot. Which is by and large the same issue over and over again. That was why I dropped it after the first few trades. I was bored with the whole dragging out his past stuff and of the oft repeated blowing him up each issue. To me it got really same-y really quick. It was like "yeah this is alright but I liked this better when it was called Wolverine". For me I like Shadowman cuz I have always dug the spiritual, magical horror type stuff. Think Hellblazer and Sandman in the 90's.
 

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