Ultimates 3 #1-5 discussion [Loeb/Madureira] [spoilers]

Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

So...Thor basically speaks that way now just cause he doth wanna?

And Loeb seems so bent on not paying attention to continuity, yet he remembers when Magneto shot Quicksilver in the knees? When the hell was that, anyway? I do have a vague memory of that happening.
 
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It happened during Ultimate War.

When Mags escaped from jail, he shot Quickie in the knees with the intent to kill him I thought. Until he got distracted by someone else attacking him.
 
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Ultimate Houde said:
It happened during Ultimate War.

When Mags escaped from jail, he shot Quickie in the knees with the intent to kill him I thought. Until he got distracted by someone else attacking him.
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The intent wasn't to kill him (if it were, I imagine he'd shoot him in the chest or head), but just teach him a lesson. With his legs shot up, he couldn't move his normal fast speed. Thats basically torture to Quicksilver, who's extremely impatient with the "normal" speed the rest of the world moves at.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

One of the few parts you could make out through Bachalo's scribbling.

Oh, how I wish Bachalo was drawing Ultimates 3 instead of Maduriera.
 
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Dancanread said:
So...Thor basically speaks that way now just cause he doth wanna?

And Loeb seems so bent on not paying attention to continuity, yet he remembers when Magneto shot Quicksilver in the knees? When the hell was that, anyway? I do have a vague memory of that happening.
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To be honest - that was great. Having Quicksilver and Magneto refer to that scene was proper goodness.

Unfortunately - it made little sense that Quickster called his dad "Magneto", as did Magneto's response, "You healed".

Did he actually regrow his own kneecaps? How the hell did he heal? Now that I think about it - how come Quicksilver is running around?
 
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Bass said:
To be honest - that was great. Having Quicksilver and Magneto refer to that scene was proper goodness.

Unfortunately - it made little sense that Quickster called his dad "Magneto", as did Magneto's response, "You healed".

Did he actually regrow his own kneecaps? How the hell did he heal? Now that I think about it - how come Quicksilver is running around?
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He's got metal kneecaps from a mutant robot with super-speed. (or just metal kneecaps)
 
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Bass said:
To be honest - that was great. Having Quicksilver and Magneto refer to that scene was proper goodness.

Unfortunately - it made little sense that Quickster called his dad "Magneto", as did Magneto's response, "You healed".

Did he actually regrow his own kneecaps? How the hell did he heal? Now that I think about it - how come Quicksilver is running around?
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Man, even when referring to past continuity Loeb ****s it up.

Also Mags should know Quicksilver healed, they saw each other when Mags was imprisoned. And have they made any mention the fact that everyone should still think Mags is locked up considering he switched places with Mystique?
 
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Random said:
Man, even when referring to past continuity Loeb ****s it up.

Also Mags should know Quicksilver healed, they saw each other when Mags was imprisoned. And have they made any mention the fact that everyone should still think Mags is locked up considering he switched places with Mystique?
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I forgot all about UXM.

Obviously Loeb didn't read it. :|
 
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Random said:
Man, even when referring to past continuity Loeb ****s it up.

Also Mags should know Quicksilver healed, they saw each other when Mags was imprisoned. And have they made any mention the fact that everyone should still think Mags is locked up considering he switched places with Mystique?
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And Mystique switched with Mastermind, but only we must know about this. We actually read and do research.
 
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Most disturbing to me is the lack of maturity of the writing, and the implied insult to the audience.

Loeb said they want crazy action. Fine.

If you ask me which, on average, was/is more action-packed (I realize it two issues), I'd pick Millar's Ultimates. Why? because the action, even though it took 5 issues, was realistic (for a comic), and frightening. Hulk MIGHT tear off Pym's jaw. Why was it better? Because we took 4 issues to get to know the characters - their personalities, and the group dynamic. Ultimates 3, in this respect, is cartoonish.

Also, the 'banter'. Millar's "Darth Maul wants his light sabre back, mother-f***er' was somehow (well, I KNOW how), better than 'suck it'.

Might you say what Hawkeye said? Maybe not. But would you wish you had? Sure. Would you ever want to be in a fight in which your clever/intimidating line is 'Suck it'? No.... but it implies that Loeb thinks 'yes', and that he therefore thinks that you are a 12-year old boy, possibly struggling with some sexuality or identity issues. Millar's Hawkeye is who you wanted to be in that fight. Loeb's Sabretooth is the vulgar little boy next door that pokes dead animals with sticks and wets the bed. More pathetic than intimidating... and either way, not terribly interesting.

Mad's art was better, though :)
 
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DIrishB said:
I liked Ultimates 2, and not sure what Mad had to do with it. If instead you're referring to Ultimates 3, I can understand.

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Typos aside, I DID say "...just read this issue" meaning of course, the issue being discussed in this thread.

Calling Hitch's art unreadable is a travesty.
 
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Why can't sabretooth have four claws?!!!!!!!! Kirkman wrote then in the date night arc, but in UXM #89 he's got his nail. Ultimates 3, nails. WTF that is the pinnicle characteristic that separates him from his 616 counterpart (That and well... being alive). But why can't these writers actually read the past work of the past writers why are the editor's messing up at all. Read the damn timeline, read the damn characteristics why the hell do these mistakes even occur.
 
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Zombipanda said:
He's got metal kneecaps from a mutant robot with super-speed. (or just metal kneecaps)
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You're confusing Loeb with that other guy named Orson Scott Card. :p

fenway said:
If you ask me which, on average, was/is more action-packed (I realize it two issues), I'd pick Millar's Ultimates. Why? because the action, even though it took 5 issues, was realistic (for a comic), and frightening. Hulk MIGHT tear off Pym's jaw. Why was it better? Because we took 4 issues to get to know the characters - their personalities, and the group dynamic. Ultimates 3, in this respect, is cartoonish.
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That's right.

Drawing out the characterization isn't inherently better writing, but when Millar did it for Ultimates, he did it in such a fashion that by the time a fight scene happens, you are fully aware of what these characters might do.

I think your mention of Hulk as an example is quite astute, since too often writers dealing with the character assume that he 'characterizes' himself, and that 'this is my repressed anger given flesh, blood and super-strength' somehow excuses them from establishing anything else about him.

But Banner is so relentlessly put upon --- as opposed to just 'mild-mannered' and 'geeky' --- that you when he Hulks out, attempting to rape his ex-girlfriend and snap the jaw of his colleague seems pretty damn logical enough to not be questioned.

fenway said:
Also, the 'banter'. Millar's "Darth Maul wants his light sabre back, mother-f***er' was somehow (well, I KNOW how), better than 'suck it'.

Might you say what Hawkeye said? Maybe not. But would you wish you had? Sure. Would you ever want to be in a fight in which your clever/intimidating line is 'Suck it'? No.... but it implies that Loeb thinks 'yes', and that he therefore thinks that you are a 12-year old boy, possibly struggling with some sexuality or identity issues.
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I need to find a way to fit this into my sig next to robje's remarks.
 
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:) :) :)
 
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ourchair said:
Typos aside, I DID say "...just read this issue" meaning of course, the issue being discussed in this thread.

Calling Hitch's art unreadable is a travesty.
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Yeah yeah, hence the winky smiley.




fenway said:
Most disturbing to me is the lack of maturity of the writing, and the implied insult to the audience.

Loeb said they want crazy action. Fine.

If you ask me which, on average, was/is more action-packed (I realize it two issues), I'd pick Millar's Ultimates. Why? because the action, even though it took 5 issues, was realistic (for a comic), and frightening. Hulk MIGHT tear off Pym's jaw. Why was it better? Because we took 4 issues to get to know the characters - their personalities, and the group dynamic. Ultimates 3, in this respect, is cartoonish.

Also, the 'banter'. Millar's "Darth Maul wants his light sabre back, mother-f***er' was somehow (well, I KNOW how), better than 'suck it'.

Might you say what Hawkeye said? Maybe not. But would you wish you had? Sure. Would you ever want to be in a fight in which your clever/intimidating line is 'Suck it'? No.... but it implies that Loeb thinks 'yes', and that he therefore thinks that you are a 12-year old boy, possibly struggling with some sexuality or identity issues. Millar's Hawkeye is who you wanted to be in that fight. Loeb's Sabretooth is the vulgar little boy next door that pokes dead animals with sticks and wets the bed. More pathetic than intimidating... and either way, not terribly interesting.

Mad's art was better, though :)
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And kudos to fenway, for that astute post. I enjoyed it more than an ice cream sundae. Thank you, sir.
 
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fenway said:
Most disturbing to me is the lack of maturity of the writing, and the implied insult to the audience.

Loeb said they want crazy action. Fine.

If you ask me which, on average, was/is more action-packed (I realize it two issues), I'd pick Millar's Ultimates. Why? because the action, even though it took 5 issues, was realistic (for a comic), and frightening. Hulk MIGHT tear off Pym's jaw. Why was it better? Because we took 4 issues to get to know the characters - their personalities, and the group dynamic. Ultimates 3, in this respect, is cartoonish.
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Yeah, I'd say that if they were going for "crazy action", Ellis's and particularly Millar's work on The Authority would have been a great model.

I'm sure Loeb thinks The Authority was just too damn subtle.
 
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moonmaster said:
Yeah, I'd say that if they were going for "crazy action", Ellis's and particularly Millar's work on The Authority would have been a great model.

I'm sure Loeb thinks The Authority was just too damn subtle.
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:lol:

Loeb would have to understand the concept of subtlety to think that. I'm positive he has no concept of the term whatsoever.
 
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DIrishB said:
:lol:

Loeb would have to understand the concept of subtlety to think that. I'm positive he has no concept of the term whatsoever.
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Loeb would have to actually do research before understanding what he has to learn about in the first place.
 
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