Ultimates 3 #1-5 discussion [Loeb/Madureira] [spoilers]

Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

Oh, he'll be all, "It's a blast. Loeb and Mad are totally taking it and making it their own."

He was all peaches about Greg Land too - and I'm pretty sure he hated having him on his UF4 run. He's too polite to ***** about it publicly. We should try to corner him at a 'con and get him to rant about it.

He's a Scott right? we can get him drunk (with enough money).
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

One "T" in Scot. Except when you say Scottish.

But you're right - he's a Scot. With, I think, some real problems with his liver. If we get him drunk, he'll die. :|

(Also, AnTwan - your avatar is super cool.)
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

One "T" in Scot. Except when you say Scottish.

But you're right - he's a Scot. With, I think, some real problems with his liver. If we get him drunk, he'll die. :|

(Also, AnTwan - your avatar is super cool.)

Damn, I couldn't remember if it was one or two "T"s. In all seriousness though, I have noticed his unwillingness to say negative things about anyone in the industry, which on one hand I completely understand and respect, but on the other hand he is by far my favorite creator and I am very curious what his views would be on an array of subjects including how do you feel when someone butchers what is arguably your finest work. It would be interesting.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

Damn, I couldn't remember if it was one or two "T"s. In all seriousness though, I have noticed his unwillingness to say negative things about anyone in the industry, which on one hand I completely understand and respect, but on the other hand he is by far my favorite creator and I am very curious what his views would be on an array of subjects including how do you feel when someone butchers what is arguably your finest work. It would be interesting.

You think Ultimate Fantastic Four is arguably Ellis' finest work???

And yeah... I've noticed the same thing, but then again, there aren't many comic book creators out there who are willing to take pot shots at other writers. Probably 'cuz it's a tacky thing to do.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

You think Ultimate Fantastic Four is arguably Ellis' finest work???

And yeah... I've noticed the same thing, but then again, there aren't many comic book creators out there who are willing to take pot shots at other writers. Probably 'cuz it's a tacky thing to do.

I was referring more to how the Loeb Machine is systematically destroying everything ever good about the Ultimates and I think the Ellis thing is a little backwards. Actually I liked both Millar and Ellis' runs on Ultimate Fantastic Four... Carey not so much.
Pot shots are a little tacky but sometimes the clearly fake over enthusiasm is a little too much the other way.

EDIT: Also, thanks Bass! It was part of series of animal drawings I did and as you can see I am such an incredible artist :p (what can I say, I am a writer not an artist!). Well, they were boring so I would toss on random phrases underneath. It was good times :)
 
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Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

EDIT: Also, thanks Bass! It was part of series of animal drawings I did and as you can see I am such an incredible artist :p (what can I say, I am a writer not an artist!). Well, they were boring so I would toss on random phrases underneath. It was good times :)

Heheheh. Cool. :D
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

Now you know why it was cancelled.

*Little kid gets hit in the gut with an American football*
Kid: "Aaah! My organs!"
*Kid collapses*
Zim: "HAHAHAHA! Pathetic humans and their inferior internal organs!"
*Zim gets hit in the gut with an American football*
Zim: "AAH! My squiddley-spooge!"
*Zim collapses*

Oh, and then the rest of the episode is Zim stealing everyone's organs.
"Don't be silly, more organs means more human!"
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

This issue sucked. Not sure which was worse, this or the first issue. Blecchhh.

Did you actually buy it, cause i can't find it yet...(on the internets) If you did I understand I have ocd for trades.

Maybe Loeb made it bad because they're getting rid of the Ultimates for ultimatum and it won't sting that much. He did write Long Halloween...
 
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Did you actually buy it, cause i can't find it yet...(on the internets) If you did I understand I have ocd for trades.

I did unfortunately buy it, for completeness' sake (and so I can turn around and sell the complete mini on Ebay for a small profit...buyers love lots!). Never have I regretted spending money on something I knew wasn't worth it as much as I did yesterday. Damn my completist views!

Maybe Loeb made it bad because they're getting rid of the Ultimates for ultimatum and it won't sting that much. He did write Long Halloween...

Loeb using foresight? I doubt it...
 
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What's worse is that not only did I buy and read this, but I finally bought and read Ultimate Power 9 yesterday as well.

And read them back-to-back! Followed by Ultimate Iron II 1-2!
 
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What's worse is that not only did I buy and read this, but I finally bought and read Ultimate Power 9 yesterday as well.

And read them back-to-back! Followed by Ultimate Iron II 1-2!

And you're still alive?
 
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What's worse is that not only did I buy and read this, but I finally bought and read Ultimate Power 9 yesterday as well.

And read them back-to-back! Followed by Ultimate Iron II 1-2!

I might have to burn all my comics and shut the site down if I tried that.
 
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I liked Joe Mad's Blob a great deal.

That is all.
 
Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

So the thing that aggravated me the most was Thor's death.

Oh yes. Thor dies in this issue.

The whole, "Verily, I speaketh like a dick because 'tis my true nature" pissed me off.

They need to decide, properly, if the Ultimate Universe is a separate universe or a ****ing prequel. If it's a prequel, Thor talking like a **** is fine. It's stupid, but it's fine. If it's an separate universe, drastically changing a character's speech pattern for no storytelling reason other than to harken to the 616 version is a waste of an original take on a character.

In that sense, Ultimate Thor has died and we've got this ****ing stupid punk *** olde-speake guy in his place.

THE ULTIMATES was one of the best ultimizations they ever did. Forget the quality of the art or story, I'm talking about sheer reimagining.

They took the idea of the Avengers - several dysfunctional heroes who band together to fight the uber-bad, who reside in a mansion together in unwieldy numbers and turned it into a military superhero unit with such incredible power that they could only fight villains who were planning to end life as we know it (invasion, destruction, conquest - didn't matter which). More than that, each member, got reimagined as much as appropriate. Captain America loses the frivolous serendipity of his costume in favour of something more militaristic, and is given command of a military unit. Transforming the team into a branch of the military also increased Captain America's unique appeal as the super soldier. Removing that element turns him into a guy who likes to play army. Iron Man's suit and financial workings change, but the rest stays the same. Thor - a bizarre creation is remodeled to fit the efficient and practical theme of the Ultimates team dynamic, what's more, Thor was used, brilliantly, to connect the team to otherworldly forces. The Ultimates versus a monster of science? No problem. The title is set in the contemporary world. The Ultimates versus aliens or time-travelling gods? Thor is that little nod that maybe such things exist. And that question - maybe, maybe not - heightened the ominous tension those beings created. It made things secret. It made things intriguing.

I dunno. This feels to me like pornography. Everything's just out in the open for all to see, and there's no real point to any of it.

Ultimate Thor is the biggest casualty. Hawkeye, Captain America - you can retcon those guys back. But Thor... they changed his entire identity. Gone is the David Icke, "You're ****ing crazy - but really powerful" fun, gone is the subtle hint of insanity, gone is the WONDER. Do you remember, in "Thunder" (v1 #4) when Thor said to Banner, "These powers are neither mutant nor machine..." - do you remember that question pop up in your head - "Then what is he?" That terrifying element that he may or may not be telling the truth?

The pay off to all that mystery? He's a reject from WETA digital with a deus ex machina army. And now, talks like an idiot who pretends he was born in the 14th century.

Rest in peace Ultimate Thor. You sir, were one of the finest superheroes created in this generation. After 19 issues, they went and ****ed you up.

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Re: Ultimates 3 #2 preview and interviews (spoilers i guess)

i read it. Its horrible.

Hawkeye shoots spidey for no reason, gets hit by cap for no reason, who then tells him to pull out (for no reason).The two of them head back to the mansion and leave spidey paralysed in the middle of a park. Seriously, the whole scene was pointless and mean. Poor Peter.

Wasp asks a unconscious hank what pills he took so they can help him. HE'S UNCOUSCIOUS, YOU TARD!!! HE CAN'T AWNSER!!! JUST PUMP HIS STOMACH, ITS NOT ROCKETSCIENCE!!!!

They try to explain why thor went back to his 616 way of speaking by saying he feels more relaxed around midgardians now. My hatred for Thor now burns with the power of a billion exploding suns. :furious: :furious: :furious:

There are a million and one things in there that sucked ***, but they all pail in comparison to the horrible fail that is the last page. It ends with a single shot of wolverine arriving. Above his head is a little box that reads: 2 seconds ago. Thats right, the end happens two seconds before itself. It doesnt make any sense. Its so dumb you cant help but smile at it.

Recommendation: steal it from the internet.

So the thing that aggravated me the most was Thor's death.

Oh yes. Thor dies in this issue.

Amen

edit: Crap, i just noticed that they brought back the 616 Iron Man armor.
Also, the cover art is sabretooth fighting Puck. "you think this A stands for Alpha Flight?" :D
 
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