Ultimate Marvel Timeline / Chronology (v. 3.0)

[DIrishB]

I agree. I dorkily look forward to posting on/reading this thread every day now!

Hey, as I was just checking things I realized that when you moved "Magical" and "Cable" to after Ultimates 2 (which I also did), you left the big chunk of Ult. X-Men Annual 2 (which has to take place after Magical) before Ultimates 2. Wanted to let you know.

Got it. Fixed the mistake, thanks!

Me again, have another question. After I completely updated my list, I just had a few questions where you did page breaks in issues. For the most part, I was able to see why. There was one place, however, I wanted to ask what was going on there. In X-Men's Return of the King arc, in issue 32, why do you stop after page 10, then read Spidey 40-45, before finishing X-Men 32 and 33. What did I miss? Thanks!

Mainly to account for the jump of three months in that page break. Since this timeline is comprehensive for all the titles, it only made sense to fit in what I could in that huge, three month jump. (I believe this is when the school is being rebuilt, before the big party with the X-Men's parents and the Ultimates).

Hey there mate !!

still doing an awesome job on this I see !!

Just a thought I had while reading UP......... it seems to me as if it takes place sometime during the latter part of U2 though before the invasion obviously !!

Im pretty sure that U2 is set over a fairly large time frame !!

let me know what u think

That very well could be the case. Like I said, I'm sure we'll learn more about its placement with the future issues. At this point I'm not seeing how it could occur after Ultimates 2 (let alone Ultimates 3 like Loeb said). We'll just have to wait and see.

The reason I think it happens around then is because Nick Fury gives a run down of whats happened in the last year when he's ranting at Reed and he mentions nothing about the invasion !!! he even mentions the alien invasion at the end of Ultimates !!

Exactly.

:lol:

But there's no solid evidence beyond the original claim that this series will take place between U3 and U4. Sure, guys at Marvel said this but things tend to change. At the very least, Bendis' run or a portion of his arc in Ultimate Power takes place before Grand Theft America. The Triskelion is pretty much intact, and Nick Fury mentions every single UFF and Ultimates adventure yet forgets the most recent one? Bendis can screw up, but not this bad.

Agreed.

Exactly. I don't think it's even worth debating whether this takes place before or after GTA. As I believe DIrishB has done in many instances, it's always better to look to the pages of the comic than in interviews and such for the timeline placements.

Again, exactly. Thank, Vint.



On a side note, I'll be updating tomorrow for USM #101 (still having to rely on my local library's computers since mine is still being repaired, and my work hours don't make getting here very easy).

 

[travischesser]

Thanks for replying about the wondering of the Ult. X-Men page break, but it is not the instance that you're thinking. That occurs much later right at the end of this arc, the page break I'm referring to is much earlier when the X-Men are mid battle with Magneto and Jean and Xavier are dealing with the nuclear missile crap. I think the listed page break is smack dab in the middle of this, unless I read things wrong, but I don't think I did. Maybe I did...

 

[Tarciryan]

Forgive me if this has been asked, but I noticed that X-men #72 (p1-11) is in the chronology, but where is the rest of the issue?

Tarciryan

 

[DrNate]

This is simply amazing.

I've read most of the thread, but not all 27 pages, so I'll toss this question out there, and hope it hasn't already been done to death:

Ultimate Secret #3 is listed in the recap page as taking place "before those in our companion title ULTIMATES volume 2"

On page 11 of same issue (counting recap page, not counting ads) panel three shows Widow telling Hawkeye: "That's my fiancé you're talking about."

Natasha and Tony get engaged early in Volume 2. So, which way do we go with it: dialogue or cover blurb?

Take Care,
Nathan

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

Welcome to the boards Dr. Nate...

Great question, too...

 

[DIrishB]

Thanks for replying about the wondering of the Ult. X-Men page break, but it is not the instance that you're thinking. That occurs much later right at the end of this arc, the page break I'm referring to is much earlier when the X-Men are mid battle with Magneto and Jean and Xavier are dealing with the nuclear missile crap. I think the listed page break is smack dab in the middle of this, unless I read things wrong, but I don't think I did. Maybe I did...

Are you referring to this? (The portion in bold).

Ultimate X-Men #21, "Hellfire and Brimstone, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #22, "Hellfire and Brimstone, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #23, "Hellfire and Brimstone, Part 3"
Ultimate X-Men #24, "Hellfire and Brimstone, Part 4"
Ultimate X-Men #25, "Hellfire and Brimstone, Part 5"
Ultimate X-Men #29, "Return of the King, Part 3" (pg. 1-6, 9-10, 13-15, 21-22)

Or more likely this one:

Ultimate War #1
Ultimate War #2
Ultimate War #3
Ultimate War #4
Ultimate X-Men #26, "Return of the King, Prelude" (pg. 21-23)
Ultimate X-Men #27, "Return of the King, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #28, "Return of the King, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #29, "Return of the King, Part 3" (pg. 7-8, 11-12, 16-20)
Ultimate X-Men #30, "Return of the King, Part 4"
Ultimate X-Men #31, "Return of the King, Part 5"
Ultimate X-Men #32, "Return of the King, Part 6" (pg. 1-10)

The page breaks there represent the time Cyclops was trapped in the savage land after being betrayed by Wolverine. Some portions take place immediately after that incident, all the way up to Cyclops being found by the Brotherhood and recuperating. I hope that answers it, but if not let me know.

Forgive me if this has been asked, but I noticed that X-men #72 (p1-11) is in the chronology, but where is the rest of the issue?

Tarciryan

Mistake on my part. When reorganizing it I must have accidentally deleted it and not noticed. I've fixed it.

This is simply amazing.

I've read most of the thread, but not all 27 pages, so I'll toss this question out there, and hope it hasn't already been done to death:

Ultimate Secret #3 is listed in the recap page as taking place "before those in our companion title ULTIMATES volume 2"

On page 11 of same issue (counting recap page, not counting ads) panel three shows Widow telling Hawkeye: "That's my fiancé you're talking about."

Natasha and Tony get engaged early in Volume 2. So, which way do we go with it: dialogue or cover blurb?

Take Care,
Nathan

I've just assumed that she's talking in a future sense, confident he'll ask her to marry her (she is known as the Black Widow for a reason).

Besides, Thor was present in Ultimate Secret and appeared to be on good terms with the team. By the time Tony proposed to Widow, Thor was pretty much no longer a member of the team after protesting some of the Ultimates actions. If I remember correctly he was very soon captured and imprisoned by the Ultimates afterward.

Either way, with that, and the Triskelion's appearance in Extinction (which must occur after Secret), then we know Secret occurs before Ultimates 2.

Anyway, I apologize for my lack of presence on the board lately. My computers been in the shop (the power connector in the computer itself--not the cord--had a problem with it, and required sending it away for them to replace it). Since then, I have to rely on using friends' or the local library's computers for online access, which between work and school, is a rare thing. Anyway, I'll update the timeline again on Wednesday or Thursday for UXM #76.

And keep the questions coming!

 

[E]

This is simply amazing.

I've read most of the thread, but not all 27 pages, so I'll toss this question out there, and hope it hasn't already been done to death:

Ultimate Secret #3 is listed in the recap page as taking place "before those in our companion title ULTIMATES volume 2"

On page 11 of same issue (counting recap page, not counting ads) panel three shows Widow telling Hawkeye: "That's my fiancé you're talking about."

Natasha and Tony get engaged early in Volume 2. So, which way do we go with it: dialogue or cover blurb?

Take Care,
Nathan

Ooh - good catch.

And welcome.

 

[Ice]

Ive been forgetting to ask:

Since its been at least a year now in UXM, does that mean its ahead of USM?

 

[DIrishB]

Ive been forgetting to ask:

Since its been at least a year now in UXM, does that mean its ahead of USM?

It would appear so. At least a little. Though its probably been over a year in USM now as well, it just hasn't been specifically addressed or mentioned how long Peter's had his powers since way back in Hobgoblin.

Updated for UXM #76 and some other random updates and adjustments.

 

[Ice]

It would appear so. At least a little. Though its probably been over a year in USM now as well, it just hasn't been specifically addressed or mentioned how long Peter's had his powers since way back in Hobgoblin.

Updated for UXM #76 and some other random updates and adjustments.

Thanks, that helps.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

Your timeline is excellent. There's just a few things I would change about it if it were my timeline. Which it isn't. But you always seem open to suggestions.

First, I would move Team-Up 1 to between Spider-Man 5 and 6.

The reason being in the introduction it mentions that Wolverine and Sabretoth are the first super-powered characters Spidey's ever met (or something to that effect).

As depicted in 6, Spidey's already a known character in the world so he's definately had plenty of time for adventures like this to take place.

I have a few more ideas, but I'd have to review your timeline again to remember what they are. I'll get back to you. I just wanted to get started posting here.

Again, excellent work, as a huge fan of both the Ultimate universe and continuity in general, I'd just like to help.

 

[Ultxon]

First, I would move Team-Up 1 to between Spider-Man 5 and 6.

The reason being in the introduction it mentions that Wolverine and Sabretoth are the first super-powered characters Spidey's ever met (or something to that effect).

As depicted in 6, Spidey's already a known character in the world so he's definately had plenty of time for adventures like this to take place.

That doesn't exactly work since Spidey puts webs on his suit in # 6 and he has the "webbed" suit in UMTU # 1.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

That doesn't exactly work since Spidey puts webs on his suit in # 6 and he has the "webbed" suit in UMTU # 1.

I believe he starts out with the web suit in 6. But he does invent the web shooters in 6, so the placement needs a little more work.

I guess the only real place it fits is between one page where Aunt May tells him he needs to get some sleep and the next page where he's sleeping in school.

It kinda ruins the transition in the book, but I guess he could have had many nights with little sleep before the scene in school.

Anyway, it's the only place I think it fits.

 

[DIrishB]

Updated for UFF #36 and Squadron Supreme #7. Also made some pretty major rearrangements for Ultimate Power (whose placement is purely tentative until more issues are released) and some of the more recent USM and UXM arcs.

And welcome Joe Kalicki. Thanks for providing the answer Ultxon. And Joe, if you notice anything else which doesn't seem right, let me know. The work might have been done all by me, but at least half the accuracy of the timeline is owed to this site's members. So if something stands out to you as incorrect, let me know.

 

[DIrishB]

Updated for USM #102.

Also, anyone who has played Spider-Man - Battle For New York, please let me know if it can be included in continuity. I've heard varying info on its accuracy. Just trying to find out for sure if it can be included, and if so, where on the timeline in relation to the USM comic arcs. Any info would be appreciated.

 

[Ultxon]

Havn't been able to play the game yet DB, but I've found something that is quite interesting when it comes to the project:

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/734/734911p1.html

Unsure if you've seen this, but it offers a great deal of back story never used in the comic; it's rather bizarre really to give these characters so much back story, I wonder if Bendis even had his fingers in this.

 

[TwilightEL]

Havn't been able to play the game yet DB, but I've found something that is quite interesting when it comes to the project:

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/734/734911p1.html

Unsure if you've seen this, but it offers a great deal of back story never used in the comic; it's rather bizarre really to give these characters so much back story, I wonder if Bendis even had his fingers in this.

I looked at those. Only the Nick Fury one is the backstory given in Ultimate continuity. All the other ones are from 616.

 

[DIrishB]

Havn't been able to play the game yet DB, but I've found something that is quite interesting when it comes to the project:

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/734/734911p1.html

Unsure if you've seen this, but it offers a great deal of back story never used in the comic; it's rather bizarre really to give these characters so much back story, I wonder if Bendis even had his fingers in this.

Yeah, I had noticed those a couple months ago. Unfortunately, like Twilight says:

I looked at those. Only the Nick Fury one is the backstory given in Ultimate continuity. All the other ones are from 616.

Which is true.


However, this doesn't necessarily make the game contradictory to Ultimate continuity. Based off the character designs and the storyline (Osborn escapes from SHIELD and tries to create an army of OZ soldiers), it very much seems like it was designed to fit within the Ultimate timeline.

The character backgrounds might screw that up, but probably not. Really it depends on how much characterization they focused on in the game. I haven't played it, but I can still safely say that was kept to a minimum.

 

[DIrishB]

Updated for Ultimate Vision #0 and Ultimate Power #2.

I had to go ahead and place Ultimate Power after Ultimates 2, both due to the mention of Hulk being on the loose (I assume he escapes again after Ultimates 2), and the fact that Ant-Man/Pym is an active member of the team again (as well as Thor). Of course, this fits in with Loeb's mention that Ultimate Power would occur between Ultimates 3 and 4. I'm not sure if that'll hold up, but we'll see.

The Triskelion being intact is a big boo-boo, but perhaps its rebuilt by SHIELD after the invasion of America by the Liberators. We'll have to keep watching future issues of Ultimate Power to see if this is cleared up any by Loeb or Straczynski, though I doubt it will be. Like I said, hopefully U2 #13 gives us some answers pertaining to this, though I wouldn't hold my breath on having it all make sense.

 

[the watcher]

Yah, know for a long time the placement of Ultimate X4 has really bothered me. As you know I have been re-reading the whole thing from time, to time when they were cutting hours at my last job and I didn't feel like going out. And no matter how many times I've read it it feels wrong.

First off, it sounds like the X-Men and the Fantastic Four meet for the first time in this story. But during the President Thor arc. we see Kitty and Jean working with Sue. Secondly we do hear Kitty tell Johnny that she is seeing someone. Of course you think Peter Parker, but then I think. Its not like every woman in the history of the world has never said, I'm seeing someone. Just so they can get a guy thats hanging on them, to leave them alone. (I sure TGO and back me up on this) Is it possible that this story took place earlier?