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Ultimate Marvel Timeline / Chronology (v. 3.0)
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DIrishB
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Thats how it was released (after Morbius and either right before or with the first issue of Clone Saga). Also, thats how its being collected in the TPB. There's a tendency with the Ultimate Marvel trades to be collected in a chronological fashion when including the Annuals (at least so far). We've been given four instances so far (the Ultimates Annual #1 wasn't collected with the ongoing Ultimates 2, so we can't place it by that logic, but its obvious it takes place between #6 and #7 of Ultimates 2 both from the story and Millar himself):
Ultimate Fantastic Four Vol. 4 - Inhuman (Ultimate Fantastic Four # 19-20, Annual # 1)
Ultimate X-Men Vol. 12 - Hard Lessons (Ultimate X-Men # 58-60, Annual # 1)
Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 15 - Silver Sable (Ultimate Spider-Man Annual # 1, # 86-90)
Notice my placements on the timeline line up exactly (though some page breaks overlap with other issues, and thats only to get it as precise as possible).
The plot of the comic itself. Did you read that one? The events of Magical were specifically said in the Annual to have taken place a day before. Pay attention. Do you think I just randomly place stuff? Come on, I at least put that much brain power into it.
Quite true. I never claimed to know exactly how much time passes. Just that Wolverine leaves during the Phoenix arc to take up the mission seen in Ultimate Wvs.H. Obviously, UWvs.H takes place after Ultimates 2 #3 and before Ultimates 2 #11 when Hulk shows up to help save the day. And Wolverine leaves to take up the mission in the beginning of the Phoenix arc and is back by Magical. If you're not reading the comics, why are you questioning my placements? Whats the point?
Not true at all. Read them again. Last year's UFF Annual really had no specific timeframe referance to the previous arcs, but it did kick off Millar's run on the series, so because there is nothing else to base ordering on, I have to rely on order of release and continuity comparisons to both previous and later arcs. With the UFF Annual #2, the same reasoning is applied to Carey's run...the Annual was released first, then the first issue of God War, beginning Carey's run on the regular title. Because nothing contradicts these placements, and the ordering also makes sense in terms of the continuity of the comics, that determines its placement.
However, all the other Annuals were released in between arcs and their placement on the timeline is the same way for this reason, in addition to the comic stories themselves specifically mentioning previous arcs. As well as events which occurred in the Annual then having an effect in the next arc of the ongoing series. For solid proof on the USM Annual #1's placement, just read the recap in the back of USM #100. There's your proof. For #2's placement, considering there was absolutley no mention of the Liberators attack on New York, nor any sign of damage anywhere in the USM Annual #2, I can't in good faith place it anywhere but where I did. Besides its been said the aftermath of the attack on America by the Liberators would be addressed in the other titles...the shot of the TV screen with a small copy of a page from Ultimates 2 of al-Rahman doesn't qualify as that to me. Like I said, its probably meant to just be an easter egg.
The USM, UXM, and Ultimates Annuals are all firmly placed due to their own continuity's, as well as inter-continuity.
Right. I expect we might finally see this nod in the arc after Clone Saga, since by the Ultimates 2 will indeed be over (presuming no more delays, though).
Now you're just being pedantic. The Annual could've taken place anywhere, almost. At the very least after Spidey's last meeting with Kingpin. The point is, the evidence there is (no evidence or mention at all by any character of the events of Ultimates 2) points to it taking place where I placed it. The only thing that points after Ultimates 2 is that TV screen, which I'm telling you is an easter egg and not a timeframe reference on Bendis' part. He's terrible with those anyway.
Besides, it can even be argued that the TV screen was a newsreel which featured al-Rahman for whatever reason, before the Liberator's attack on America. Perhaps not long before at all. We also know the Clone Saga must occur before Ultimates 2's conclusion since Fury has both arms in it.
See above.
Its not a continuity indicator. Bendis hates continuity.
Dude, if you're talking about UXM Annual #2, go read Magical, and then read the Annual. They even match up page for page when Dazzler wakes up and Nightcrawler takes her from the hospital.
That isn't true at all. The USM Annual was release either very near or exactly between Warriors and Silver Sable. The UXM Annual was released in the same fashion between Shock and Awe and Magnetic North. The UFF Annual was released between Think Tank and Crossover. And the Ultimates Annual was released between Gods and Monsters and GTA. Therefore, when I had to guess for a placement for the UFF Annuals, the firm placements of the other Annual's continuitys made it a logical choice to position them in the same way. Do the math man...UXM is currently at #74, a year ago (and a month, since the Annuals are released in August) was when #61 shipped...lines up, doesn't it? Same with UFF, 13 months ago was the beginning of Millar's run at #21. Right before that came out, the Annual did. The same is true for this year as well. This can't be said as firmly for Ultimates 2 (due to the delays), but we know for sure that the Ultimates Annual was released after #6 and before #7, right where it takes place on the timeline. And in USM's case, I think 16-18 issues are released of that per year, but again that lines up with the Annual being released at the end of Warriors and before Silver Sable. So I'm not seeing where you're getting this argument from. You're info is mistaken, therefore its clouding your judgement.
I will. Be sure of that. And please be aware that when no time references are made within an arc, sometimes assumption (in addition to, and most importantly, logic) is all I have to go on. Just remember how many times I've been doubted on something having to do with this timeline only to be vindicated either by the comics or by a comment by the writer themselves (as is the case with the placement of the early issues of UFF by Millar).
And please don't tell me you consider the TV screen real evidence. Like I said, it can be explained away as something shot and aired before the attack in U2. Like a news report on hostile forces getting into the super-soldier race with teams of their own. It might not be Occam's Razor in this case, but whenever Bendis does make his references to the GTA arc (which will be after Clone Saga, I'm telling you) in USM, it'll prove the USM Annual #2 had to take place before the attack.
Maybe not even then. Thats my point.
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Even the Ultimates Annual #1? I thought that was only available in the Ultimate Annuals TPB?
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You type too much, I'm not reading all that. But I didnt read UXM Annual, and all the other comics I dont currently have on hand. But from what I understood I wasnt sure why you place them like that, Mainly the USM one. And when you first replied you didnt really give a reason why and that's all I was wondering, just trying to understand
DIrishB
The Timeline Guy
Fair enough. But if you ask a question and then can't take the time to read my answer, you're not getting any pity from me.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Oh no, that one's an exception, last I remember.
vintsukka
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I'm still holding out hope for both Ultimates Annuals to be collected with GTA. That's the only logical way to do it, since all the other Annuals have been/will be collected in their respective trades as well.
Ultimate MJ
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Depending on whats in U213, I think it makes more sense to put Uannual 2 in the first U3 TPB, which will probably deal more with the aftermath of GTA/moving on into other stories.
ultimatedjf
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I need help figuring out exactly what order to read all USM-related comics in; could someone maybe post a sort of mini version of the timeline that is all Spidey? I don't really care for little one second appearances like in Ultimates 2, just the basic storyline (USM, U6, Annuals, UXM--Kitty related, that sort of stuff).
DIrishB
The Timeline Guy
That would be nice, but it would make for a pretty huge trade...issues #7-13 (#12 and #13 being oversized) and the two Annuals (which were both around 40 story pages I believe). I hope they will go that route, however big it turns out.
I need help figuring out exactly what order to read all USM-related comics in; could someone maybe post a sort of mini version of the timeline that is all Spidey? I don't really care for little one second appearances like in Ultimates 2, just the basic storyline (USM, U6, Annuals, UXM--Kitty related, that sort of stuff).
Ummm...why not just look at the timeline and do it yourself? Just ignore the other titles and you're good to go.
vintsukka
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I need help figuring out exactly what order to read all USM-related comics in; could someone maybe post a sort of mini version of the timeline that is all Spidey? I don't really care for little one second appearances like in Ultimates 2, just the basic storyline (USM, U6, Annuals, UXM--Kitty related, that sort of stuff).
Use this as a reference, and just pick everything USM and UMTU, plus Blockbuster from UXM. Off the top of my head I don't recall any other major Spidey appearances.
Atill noot got vol 15.
but i want to say **** you marvel :furious: like i've mentioned before i bought the ultimnate annuals tpb. (thank you DIrishB for your timeline btw let me know which i could read) I bought it for the ultimate Spider-man Annual only to find out marvel screwed me over.
BTW is the spider-man bumper special (i think its called) collected in a tpb yet?
but seriously why bring out a annuals tpb if your going to put it in the tpbs of other series anyway?
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DIrishB
The Timeline Guy
The USM Super Special is what its called, and yes, its been collected in Vol. 3 of the Ultimate Marvel Team Up trades, along with UMTU #14-16.
Probably to force people who buy the trades to buy both.
Thank you.
I saw on ebay the other day a tpb and a hardcover of ultimate team up ultimate collection (i'm useless at names if thats wrong) but that's all of the ultimate team up tbps in one book! I was thinking of getting it anyway now I MUST HAVE IT!
I've got a link to the TPB on the main page of this site.
The HC is almost impossible to find and costs and arm and a leg if you do (unless you're lucky like Ice and manage to find it for cover price).
DIrishB
The Timeline Guy
True...but sjmole, I'd still recommend the hardcover. It does collect all 16 issues of UMTU plus the USM Super Special. More importantly, it collects UMTU #6-8, which isn't collected in an Ultimate trade, at least not yet (though I do believe the three issues were collected in another generic Marvel trade, just not sure which one).
vintsukka
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The new UMTU Ultimate Collection TPB collects the same things the HC does, i.e. all 16 issues plus the Super Special.
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Correct. This is the brand new TPB collecting EVERYTHING - not the 3 small volumes.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
The HC collected everything as well.
vintsukka
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Yes, it did. And so does the new TPB.
We can do this forever. Next E will say "Yes, but so does the new TPB" and then I'll say "Correct, we're not talking about the old TPB's" and then you'll say "That's true. But what about the HC?" and then E will say "That collected everything too" and then I'll say "Correct" etc....
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