Star Trek discussion (Spoilers!)

What did you think of Star Trek?

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I do use msn with my e-mail, but it's extremely rare these days. :)

Back on topic: I was talking to a couple of friends today explaining that while the film is vapid, these guys would still love it because of how ****ing cool everything is. I love the Romulan ship. It is so awesome looking. I don't know why a mining vessel would be made of mile-long tentacle spikes, but I think it's because the Romulans know how to make themselves look badass.

Also, I was thinking about Kirk today. In the movie, the script makes Kirk the walking "I'm a rebellious ******* because I have no dad" cliche, and this cliche always has an element of repentance in order to make them appear more sympathetic. The script even tries to give that to Kirk with Pike's dialogue and Future Spock's "if your dad were here you'd be awesome and not a jerk... jerk" bit, but Chris Pine must have just said to himself, "**** you, script."

His Kirk is completely unapologetic about his grand douchery. He's proud, cocky, and quite happy to flip the finger at policemen. He has no remorse. It goes beyond "my dad is dead" and becomes, "**** you, you're not worth my time". It means he's not a hypocrite or a liar. This means he's honest, proud, and strong. And bizarrely, Pine makes it more entertaining than off-putting. Which is really something. I loved his Kirk. (I just don't think he did anything that earned him the Enterprise. Maybe being first officer on a ship or captain on a little ship - but to go from suspended cadet to captain because of one engagement? Really?)
 
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His Kirk is completely unapologetic about his grand douchery. He's proud, cocky, and quite happy to flip the finger at policemen. He has no remorse. It goes beyond "my dad is dead" and becomes, "**** you, you're not worth my time". It means he's not a hypocrite or a liar. This means he's honest, proud, and strong. And bizarrely, Pine makes it more entertaining than off-putting. Which is really something. I loved his Kirk. (I just don't think he did anything that earned him the Enterprise. Maybe being first officer on a ship or captain on a little ship - but to go from suspended cadet to captain because of one engagement? Really?)[/QUOTE]


One engagement that saved the entire planet earth as I recall. Saving billions entitles you to a fast track in my book.
 
I can't think of a single time in human history when an undecorated officer, through winning a single engagement that saved his country, was given the keys to the best the military had to offer.

War hero is fine. Huge promotion is fine. Medals is fine. Captain of the Enterprise is just... far fetched (I know, I know, it's about a time travelling spaceship).

But maybe I'm wrong? Can anyone think of a similar example in history?
 
Bass said:
I can't think of a single time in human history when an undecorated officer, through winning a single engagement that saved his country, was given the keys to the best the military had to offer.

War hero is fine. Huge promotion is fine. Medals is fine. Captain of the Enterprise is just... far fetched (I know, I know, it's about a time travelling spaceship).

But maybe I'm wrong? Can anyone think of a similar example in history?
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Norman Osborn and H.A.M.M.E.R.
 
Ironlurker said:
His Kirk is completely unapologetic about his grand douchery. He's proud, cocky, and quite happy to flip the finger at policemen. He has no remorse. It goes beyond "my dad is dead" and becomes, "**** you, you're not worth my time". It means he's not a hypocrite or a liar. This means he's honest, proud, and strong. And bizarrely, Pine makes it more entertaining than off-putting. Which is really something. I loved his Kirk. (I just don't think he did anything that earned him the Enterprise. Maybe being first officer on a ship or captain on a little ship - but to go from suspended cadet to captain because of one engagement? Really?)
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One engagement that saved the entire planet earth as I recall. Saving billions entitles you to a fast track in my book.[/QUOTE]

But that's just you and it's completely unrealistic.
 
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Original Kirk was a nerd in the Academy. He described himself as "as stack of books with legs" and was bullied a lot (by Finnegan mostly). He worked hard and earned his rank.

This Kirk is just a jerk who was about to get kicked out of Starfleet, and randomly became a Captain for no good reason without ever being commissioned as an officer.




Also, I don't like how they did the Kobyashi Maru. It was obviously he toyed with it. I would have preferred it to be more subtle, like he was actually trying and just changed one or two things,a ship going one way instead of the other or something, but he still had to try hard and concentrate to win. This way was lame.
 
Doublehex said:
Why do all the cool people never use IMs? :/
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Ouch. :(

And I believe it was Bryan Hitch that designed the Romulan ship - I know Lindelof asked him to do some designs for the movie but I can't remember it was ever confirmed. Looks like something you'd find in The Authority though.
 
Doublehex said:
Are we really so nerdy that we would dare confuse comic books with real world history?

DAMN STRAIGHT WE WOULD.
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:lol::lol:

Gemini said:
Okay howsabout John McCain and the Republican party

Hiyoooo
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I don't think that's an accurate comparison... :/

Joe Kalicki said:
Also, I don't like how they did the Kobyashi Maru. It was obviously he toyed with it. I would have preferred it to be more subtle, like he was actually trying and just changed one or two things,a ship going one way instead of the other or something, but he still had to try hard and concentrate to win. This way was lame.
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I really liked how brazen he was about it, exclaiming the test wasn't fair and I beat it by cheating because it was the only way to do so. What annoyed me was how Spock and the rest didn't realize he cheated.

Spock is supposed to be super smart. Super smart doesn't mean knowing big words. Super smart is about analytical creativity. When Kirk beat the scenario, and the guy asked how he won, Spock should've said, "Obviously, he cheated." It was so readily apparent, I'm annoyed no one noticed without doing a ****ing diagnostic. Obviously Kirk wasn't brazen enough. THE APPLE WASN'T A CLUE, SPOCK?!

In short, I liked Kirk eating an apple. It was funny and totally what he would do. He was just being openly defiant, flipping them the bird and saying, "Your test sucks." Love it.
 
I have to agree with you guys in regards to how Kirk was promoted. Even with all of the Awesome Sauce™ that the movie was covered in, that was just silly.
 
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Bass said:
I really liked how brazen he was about it, exclaiming the test wasn't fair and I beat it by cheating because it was the only way to do so. What annoyed me was how Spock and the rest didn't realize he cheated.

Spock is supposed to be super smart. Super smart doesn't mean knowing big words. Super smart is about analytical creativity. When Kirk beat the scenario, and the guy asked how he won, Spock should've said, "Obviously, he cheated." It was so readily apparent, I'm annoyed no one noticed without doing a ****ing diagnostic. Obviously Kirk wasn't brazen enough. THE APPLE WASN'T A CLUE, SPOCK?!

In short, I liked Kirk eating an apple. It was funny and totally what he would do. He was just being openly defiant, flipping them the bird and saying, "Your test sucks." Love it.
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I always thought he still had to beat it, he just altered it so it would be possible to do so. But he still had to do soemthing. He didn't really beat it here.

And it was exceedingly obvious he cheated. Not just the way he acted, but the fact the power freaking went down and the ships didn't even raise their shields in a battle scenario?
 
Ironlurker said:
I happen to agree that the promotion to Captain should have been more gradual, but there extreme circumstances.
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Extreme circumstances which might warrant his field command, though those were extremely contrived. But there's no reason for him to have a permanent command by the end of the movie.

Plus, I just like the idea of Kirk working himself up through the ranks, taking orders and whatnot.
 
I would think that the entire purpose of a 'prequel' movie would be to show Kirk doing that kind of stuff. Yet the movie just kinda went "Three Years Later" on that. :/
 
How about some speculation about the sequel and what element or episodes they might adapt from the original series? I'd love to see a stronger message about the human condition without it being heavy handed.

Space Seed and genetic engineering seems like a good current issue. Conflict with the Klingons about Frozen Khan and feared Bio-weapon turns into a conflict with Khan over him and the ship. Somehow that doesn't feel epic enough..lol.


Just thinking out loud
 
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