DARKKNIGHT
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Was that Weird Al?
Was that Weird Al?
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Saw it today. Loved it.
S'all I'm gonna say.
The End.
S'all I'm gonna say.
The End.
Gothamite
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Ultimate Houde
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It shows.
ProjectX2
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I tried watching Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Tried being the operative word. I fast forwarded through most of it because it was incredibly dull.
Wrath of Khan better be 1000 times better or else I'll just stick with the new movie.
Wrath of Khan better be 1000 times better or else I'll just stick with the new movie.
Gothamite
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There are only about three reasons you should bother with the first film at all and two of them are Jerry Goldsmith's score.
Don't worry, Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock and Voyage Home are all excellent science fiction. Undiscovered Country is magnificent.
Am I missing one? :wink:
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Ultimate Houde
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I liked the one with Kirk and Picard, though the plot in that one was extremely odd, it was a good film.
He speaks the truth. I watched Wrath of Khan yesterday (and I am just as new to the Star Trek waters as you are!) and it was a great film of revenge. I loved it all.
Bass
Nexus of the World
THE MOTION PICTURE is unbelievably dull. It's the only movie I cannot watch at all. I wish you said before you ordered it. It's really unbelievably dull.
Khan is at least 1000 times better in that it is a good, solid, whole movie that stands on it's own and is genuinely substantive. It is among the best Trek has to offer.
As for the rest... the only films I think that are better than the new Trek are UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY and FIRST CONTACT. GENERATIONS is still good except for the end, and I'm think THE VOYAGE HOME only just edges out the new Trek. So new Trek is, at worst, in the top 5 of 11 Trek movies.
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Gothamite
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I watch it solely for Kirk's return to the Enterprise, which I think is a great scene (if a bit long).
Undiscovered Country and First Contact are both excellent, with First Contact being my favourite of all the Trek films. Undiscovered Country has the best production values of the whole series, in my opinion. The interior of the ships never look as sleek and pretty as they do in this film.
Generations is dull and useless and only good as an extended episode. Shatner is relegated to a lengthy cameo.
In terms of science fiction, neither Voyage Home or the new one are particularly awe-inspiring. So I have to judge them based on entertainment value and on those grounds, both films are probably the best of the whole series, with the newer film winning (for me) in large part because of Chris Pine.
Bass
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For me, THE VOYAGE HOME is only a bit better because it's a better light action comedy than STAR TREK is a dramatic sci-fi action adventure.
Gothamite
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"No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space." Is one of my favourite movie lines, ever.
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Bass
Nexus of the World
Heheheheh.
Dr.Strangefate
He Sees You When You're Sleeping. He Knows When Yo
... Oh Shatner... What are we going to do with you?
I still want some clip to show up of him talking about his thoughts on the new movie.
Or, even cooler, a commentary track, with Nemoy talking about the spock bits, Shatner talking about the Kirk bits, maybe even Takei talking about the sulu bits. I would totally listen to that.
Captain Canuck
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the quote from Bass was that you can't judge a film based on what you wish it was. I didn't say they needed to add more to Spider-Man 3, just that it could/should have been so much better. That's all
back to Star Trek
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"Duck Trek WOO-OO!"
"Well miss, you have a very impressive record...unfortunately your legs are flabby!"
Bass
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It's a murky line, but here's what I would think, using this new Trek as an example:
Valid criticism: The time-travelling retcon is shallow and added an unneeded layer of technobabble complexity that didn't serve the plot, only to muddy up a simple tale of vengeance and give it a bit of a 'sci-fi' element.
Not valid criticism: Instead of making this film about a time-travelling Romulan hellbent on revenge, it should've been about the Enterprise fighting the Borg.
One points out a problem with the finished product or its creative process, and offers similar alternatives that expand on certain elements of the work as is. The other is simply ignoring what was there and replacing it with a wishful fantasy which, to the beholder, is obviously going to be superior.
I walked out of the movie and came up with a completely different idea for a movie, that had the barest similarities (a big, evil ship tries to kill the Federation is pretty much all it kept) to what was there. That's why I've never brought it up because it's just invalid. I could have a FANTASTIC AWESOME MEGA idea for a movie (I don't) but it's not valid because it's just not based on anything the movie had.
A lot of people do the latter when talking about the STAR WARS prequels. It's why I've never seriously used my idea for INDIANA JONES AND THE RESURRECTION OF BABEL as a criticism for THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL. (My idea was better, dammit!) But I do use my alternate take on THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS because it's structurally, very similar.
This is just how I feel about criticism. You can do what you like, but I think there's a difference between you 'dream script' and 'criticizing the finished work'.
But it's a murky line. I could easily make my "not valid criticism" valid by doing this: "It should've been the Borg, not the Romulans for two reasons: firstly, the Borg have tried to do this before. The reason it failed is because they had to fight all the way to Earth to time travel. This time travel to a more remote part of the universe and arrive, unnoticed, and begin their temporal war by assimilating the Kelvin. Secondly, the Borg homeworld is a planet that the Federation would actually use a black hole on. It is not out of the realm of possibility for the Federation to kill the Borg homeworld, and the last remaining cube heads back in time to stop it. The Borg don't destroy Vulcan, but assimilate it. They assimilate Pike, who is saved and ends up in that damn chair. And finally, because the Borg are scarier than death and the fear of death was a theme in the movie." Now I'm discussing the elements of the movie. Am I right or not? I dunno, I just made this **** up. My point is, it's a murky line and the "valid criticism" police isn't going to kick down your door because you think WOLVERINE sucked because it didn't have Strong Guy in it or Mojo or something.
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Bass
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That's kind of you! I think the idea I got on the way home from the movie (which involved revamping the Klingons) was better. It might be fun to do a "reasons why I should reboot Trek" thing...
Hey, I am just being blunt honest. You have some kickass ideas man. Are you writing a novel by chance?
And if not, why the hell not?
In any case, do you have an IM? I'd love to chat with you sometime.
