Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

That's actually a reason why I'm holding off on seeing AoU along with being able to arrange a time with friends to see it. Episode 19 doesn't air here until May 22nd so will see AoU the week after or so

Ouch!

Not a good idea, it is likely that it will stop showing by then or will have a very limited showing. After last year with Winter Soldier and AoS showing so late in the UK, I took to torrenting even though we have Channel 4. It means they crossovers make sense and nothing gets spoiled

Avengers - Age of Ultron (along with Star Wars - The Force Awakens) is easily one of the biggest films of the year. I guarantee it won't have stopped showing less than a month after release in UK, and while the show times will certainly be less than when it first comes out, I'm sure they'll still have at least several showings per day.

All that said, it does stay hard to avoid spoilers by waiting. But to each their own. I can understand the desire to see it chronologically.

 

[crafty100]

It is just habit now, the US get shows so early (a year sometimes) compared to the UK that I was having things spoiled and even though I pay for the channels, I just get them earlier. It is an improving thing though, a lot of shows are showing the same week. We didn't even get Agent Carter though :/

 

[DIrishB]

It is just habit now, the US get shows so early (a year sometimes) compared to the UK that I was having things spoiled and even though I pay for the channels, I just get them earlier. It is an improving thing though, a lot of shows are showing the same week. We didn't even get Agent Carter though :/

That's ok. Usually takes awhile for UK shows to premiere over here in the U.S. too. Just the way it is, I suppose. It does suck for AoS especially given their approach of tying it in with the films.

 

[crafty100]

That's ok. Usually takes awhile for UK shows to premiere over here in the U.S. too. Just the way it is, I suppose. It does suck for AoS especially given their approach of tying it in with the films.

Yeah it sucks, I'm not a fan of pirating so I always buy the Blu rays and, in the case of Marvel, the behind the scenes/ art books. Really recommend those, especially the movie ones

 

[Zpdedoda]

All that said, it does stay hard to avoid spoilers by waiting. But to each their own. I can understand the desire to see it chronologically.

Not a good idea, it is likely that it will stop showing by then or will have a very limited showing. After last year with Winter Soldier and AoS showing so late in the UK, I took to torrenting even though we have Channel 4. It means they crossovers make sense and nothing gets spoiled

I'm pretty good at avoiding the spoilers, unless something was paraded in this thread without spoiler tags. Like the mass text DIrishB did further up that I know to ignore

That's ok. Usually takes awhile for UK shows to premiere over here in the U.S. too. Just the way it is, I suppose. It does suck for AoS especially given their approach of tying it in with the films.

Crazy that AoS is a few weeks behind the US but we got AoU a week or so before

 

[DIrishB]

I'm pretty good at avoiding the spoilers, unless something was paraded in this thread without spoiler tags. Like the mass text DIrishB did further up that I know to ignore

I spoiled something without using spoiler tags?

 

[Zpdedoda]

I spoiled something without using spoiler tags?

Phrased it badly wrong, sorry. I meant how you posted the massive long all of text but spoiled it so I know to ignore that and not look at it. Problem would only be if someone quoted it and dropped the spoiler tags

 

[DIrishB]

Phrased it badly wrong, sorry. I meant how you posted the massive long all of text but spoiled it so I know to ignore that and not look at it. Problem would only be if someone quoted it and dropped the spoiler tags

Ah ok.

 

[DJ Jackman]

Whats up guys been watching this thread for a few months now and wanted to say thank you for the timeline. Really enjoyed seeing this made. This past week I have been re-watching every movie and I believe I have found something that might help with the Iron Man 3 time placement that was discussed a few pages back about trying to move its placement. I know you want movie time placements but I can not give them since I watched every movie in a timeline format. Anyways, there is a scene where Killian Aldrich is talking with Pepper Potts about his brain and he states that he met Tony Stark 13 years ago. Based off the timeline, Killian met Tony in 1999 so add 13 years and we get 2012. So, I know you like going off of time labelled props where it shows a date of Dec 2013 but honestly I think that was an error on them. It makes more sense and closer for it to be Dec 2012 and a closer estimation of it being 6 months after Avengers. Not sure if this was discussed before but just thought i would share my observation.

 

[DIrishB]

Whats up guys been watching this thread for a few months now and wanted to say thank you for the timeline. Really enjoyed seeing this made. This past week I have been re-watching every movie and I believe I have found something that might help with the Iron Man 3 time placement that was discussed a few pages back about trying to move its placement. I know you want movie time placements but I can not give them since I watched every movie in a timeline format. Anyways, there is a scene where Killian Aldrich is talking with Pepper Potts about his brain and he states that he met Tony Stark 13 years ago. Based off the timeline, Killian met Tony in 1999 so add 13 years and we get 2012. So, I know you like going off of time labelled props where it shows a date of Dec 2013 but honestly I think that was an error on them. It makes more sense and closer for it to be Dec 2012 and a closer estimation of it being 6 months after Avengers. Not sure if this was discussed before but just thought i would share my observation.

Yup, that's exactly how it's presented on the timeline. I will use prop dates when it makes sense and ties in with the dialogue and other dates seen. Sometimes that isn't the case, like with Iron Man 3's December, 2013 newspaper dates.

So yeah, in this case it's based on the dialogue that Iron Man 3's opening prologue scene (set on New Year's Eve, 1999) occurs about 13 years before the present day events of Iron Man 3 (mostly set in December, 2012--the later portions on the film occur likely in Jan, 2013, including the post credits scene of Tony telling Banner about it).

 

[DJ Jackman]

Yup, that's exactly how it's presented on the timeline. I will use prop dates when it makes sense and ties in with the dialogue and other dates seen. Sometimes that isn't the case, like with Iron Man 3's December, 2013 newspaper dates.

So yeah, in this case it's based on the dialogue that Iron Man 3's opening prologue scene (set on New Year's Eve, 1999) occurs about 13 years before the present day events of Iron Man 3 (mostly set in December, 2012--the later portions on the film occur likely in Jan, 2013, including the post credits scene of Tony telling Banner about it).

I'm not disagreeing with what you say about where it is at in the timeline. I was just referring to when you tried to add it to 2013 a few pages back in it not working and to just add further proof to others contradicting about 2013 prop and wondering why the timeline wasnt present in that date. But also I recall Tony makes a remark about it being christmas eve when they showed the scene the kids garage with a bunch of "presents per say" at the end of the video so Im not 100% sure any of the events were taken in January 2013 unless the scene with Tony and Banner were set then. But anyways I finally saw Age of Ultron and it was awesome. This timeline gave me more of better understanding to the story how every thing takes place especially with the comics listed and the last episode of agents of shield.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm not disagreeing with what you say about where it is at in the timeline. I was just referring to when you tried to add it to 2013 a few pages back in it not working and to just add further proof to others contradicting about 2013 prop and wondering why the timeline wasnt present in that date.

I know, I was just explaining the reasoning behind how I placed it.

But also I recall Tony makes a remark about it being christmas eve when they showed the scene the kids garage with a bunch of "presents per say" at the end of the video so Im not 100% sure any of the events were taken in January 2013 unless the scene with Tony and Banner were set then.

If you watch it again, you'll notice the montage scene of Tony being operated on and having the shrapnel and arc reactor removed, and then you'll see Tony giving Pepper a necklace at night while fireworks are going off in the background (this is obviously a reference to New Year's Eve, 2012/New Year's Day, 2013 to contrast with the beginning of the film's New year's 1999 scenes). The following scenes (Tony returning to his destroyed mansion in Malibu and retrieving his tools/drones/robots, etc and throwing the arc reactor into the ocean) all likely occur in January, 2013 (including the post credits scene with Banner).

But anyways I finally saw Age of Ultron and it was awesome. This timeline gave me more of better understanding to the story how every thing takes place especially with the comics listed and the last episode of agents of shield.

Glad it helped! I'll keep updating it as long as you guys keep checking it out.

 

[Spoon_Wielder]

you'll notice the montage scene of Tony being operated on and having the shrapnel and arc reactor removed, and then you'll see Tony giving Pepper a necklace at night while fireworks are going off in the background (this is obviously a reference to New Year's Eve, 2012/New Year's Day, 2013 to contrast with the beginning of the film's New year's 1999 scenes). The following scenes (Tony returning to his destroyed mansion in Malibu and retrieving his tools/drones/robots, etc and throwing the arc reactor into the ocean) all likely occur in January, 2013 (including the post credits scene with Banner).

Just playing devil's advocate here, but is it possible that it's Chinese New Year? He did have his surgery in China. It would also support my theory I brought up pages ago, that Tony wouldn't be up and around that quickly after having his chest operated on.

 

[DIrishB]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but is it possible that it's Chinese New Year? He did have his surgery in China. It would also support my theory I brought up pages ago, that Tony wouldn't be up and around that quickly after having his chest operated on.

It's certainly possible. But again, the surgery wasn't major. He merely had the arc reactor and metallic slivers/shards removed (which using the technique of the doctor was as non-invasive as possible it seems, notice there is no shot of Tony recuperating in the montage). I'm pretty sure it was implied that the doctor's procedure was new and revolutionary (hence Tony not having the surgery previously).

It would also be odd to bookend the film with the western New Year at the beginning of the film (1999) and end it with Chinese New Year (late January, 2013). Western New Year's has become increasingly popular in China and the rest of Asia, a sign of the influence of western culture. They do use fireworks, alcohol, pretty much most of the standard habits of a celebration, much like over here.

Its possible its Chinese New Year, but it seems very obvious its meant to be western New Year, especially given Shane Black's motif of using the holidays (Christmas and New Year) in many of his films.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Chinese New Years is a huge stretch. Its obviously January 1st.

 

[DIrishB]

So tonight's episode of AoS (2x20 "Scars") featured a flashback to before the first episode of AoS Season 2, occurring "One Year Ago". This scene is implied to occur soon before AoS 2x01, given Coulson's mentions of what the team members are up to, and especially his mention of having to lie to May about recruiting in London (something mentioned by Coulson as an excuse of where he'd been in 2x01).

Also, Coulson asks about Gonzalez during the flashback, meaning one of two things:

1.) That scene occurs soon after Winter Soldier and AoS Season 1's end, but that forces moving the entirety of AoS Season 2 (or at least the latter portion) into 2014, along with Age of Ultron, which isn't ideal.

2.) Gonzalez kept his survival a secret for months after the events of Winter Soldier as he rebuilt the "real" SHIELD.

I think 2 works best in terms of not causing other problems (which moving Age of Ultron and AoS Season 2 entirely into 2014 would likely cause).

It's also important to remember in AoS 2x01, Coulson mentions the jet/"bus" has been on the ground for months, implying its been at least that long since the end of Season 1. Possibly more. In combination with the "One Year Ago" mention in this episode, it's safe to assume AoS Season 2 lasts from around Spring, 2014 to Spring, 2015. Of course, explaining that extended amount of time across 22 episodes, most of which occur one after the other, is something else entirely.

It's also ironic, in that with AoS Season 1, it was a case of fitting the entire season into a period of only a month and a half.

With Season 2, its about trying to explain the year passing in what seems like weeks or months at most across the first twenty episodes of Season 2.


Also, tonight's episode did indeed reveal where Fury got the Helicarrier from in AoU, as well as confirmed the episode definitely picks up soon after the battle in Sokovia based on news footage covering it seen on a television.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I believe Couson also stated that he looked for Gonzalez for "months" in the episode that real shield showed up. I believe your conclusions are valid. I'm currently rewatching season 2 looking for potential gaps in time. I'll let you know what I discover.

 

[marioxb]

Hey so in Age of Ultron, was it ever explained how and when the Avengers re-teamed, and how and why Tony rebuilt his suits? What is Pepper up to, I mean she is powered now, right? Why is War Machine no longer red white and blue? Maybe these are explained in a comic or something? I know in Agents of SHIELD Coulson says to call the Avengers, but that's about it.

 

[DIrishB]

I believe Couson also stated that he looked for Gonzalez for "months" in the episode that real shield showed up. I believe your conclusions are valid. I'm currently rewatching season 2 looking for potential gaps in time. I'll let you know what I discover.

Thanks!

Hey so in Age of Ultron, was it ever explained how and when the Avengers re-teamed,

No, but it's implied they've been occasionally teaming up ever since the Battle of New York, most especially since the events of CA-Winter Soldier (it's mentioned that after that is when Loki's Scepter went missing--the Age of Ultron - This Scepter'd Isle Prequel comic expands on that) and the Avengers have been searching for it ever since.

So, it's implied the team never disbanded or anything after the first film, and have actively been working together to find the scepter since Winter Soldier.

and how and why Tony rebuilt his suits?

It's not expressly stated but again it's implied he did it as a way to protect the world using his Iron Legion. This is a running theme and motivating factor in Tony's creation of Ultron with Banner.

Especially since Hydra revealed themselves on the world stage in CA-TWS, it makes sense that Tony feels a need to replace the Avengers with an AI designed to protect humanity.

What is Pepper up to, I mean she is powered now, right?

No. At the end of Iron Man 3 Tony mentions he "fixed" the Extremis in her. I'm assuming that means she's been cured of it.

Why is War Machine no longer red white and blue?

Because he's no longer being used as a corporate shill of Hammer Industries using the U.S. flag to inspire jingoism.

Maybe these are explained in a comic or something?

Age of Ultron - This Scepter'd Isle explains much of it. The rest is answerable with a bit of careful attention and critical thinking.

I know in Agents of SHIELD Coulson says to call the Avengers, but that's about it.

Last night's episode (which occurs just after Age of Ultron) had a flashback scene to a year before that ties in directly with where Fury got the Helicarrier he uses to rescue the civilians and Avengers in Age of Ultron.

 

[TalonCard]

A couple of questions now that I've seen Age of Ultron (so good!):

Is the Helicarrier from the finale intended to be the same one Nick had in the first Avengers movie? I just assumed so when I watched it, and Agents of SHIELD seemed to me to imply that the resources Theta Protocol was using were going towards acquiring/repairing/maintaining/retrofitting the helicarrier and keeping it secret. But I've seen several reviews of both the film and the episode that state that Coulson was actually building a brand new helicarrier. That doesn't seem to jive with Fury's comment that he pulled it out of mothballs, but maybe I'm missing something.

Okay, this is really out of left field and probably wishful thinking on my part, but I swear that during the scene when Ultron starts learning about the state of the world, amongst the stock footage somewhere there's a newspaper headline for the Daily [Something]. Was this the Daily Bugle? I was really hoping to catch it the next time I saw the movie, but I missed it. I can't believe they'd slip it in there without anyone noticing, but there are no existing newspapers I know of in the MCU with "Daily" in their title, except the Daily Cadet.

TC