Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[Zpdedoda]

Slightly OT - Is anyone more excited for films other than Ultron besides me? Ant-Man and Civil War? If Ant-Man does well, with Ultron and Civil War being mega popular right now, that'll be 5 super hits in a row from Marvel.

As someone who doesn't read the comics, the films for the new superheros are quite exciting to me

 

[wyokid]

I'm putting the eight years ago flashbacks from AoS's new episode directly before Iron Man on the account of Coulson not using the acronym SHIELD. Dark episode.

 

[marioxb]

So we know it's most likely present day, 2015 on Agents of Shield now. Since Skye was born July 2, 1988, and she is 26, her 27th birthday is this July. I'm guessing it's now now on the show. (Spaceballs reference)

And it's seven years ago, not 8, but yeah I'm guessing its 2008, right before iron man.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

So we know it's most likely present day, 2015 on Agents of Shield now. Since Skye was born July 2, 1988, and she is 26, her 27th birthday is this July. I'm guessing it's now now on the show. (Spaceballs reference)

And it's seven years ago, not 8, but yeah I'm guessing its 2008, right before iron man.

Why is it most likely 2015? Sky is 26 for 6 months in 2014 and 6 months in 2014. Could be either. It's not definitive yet. It simply confirms that present day is at least July 2014 (which we basically knew anyways.) objectively speaking we still need more clues to definitively determine the "present day" calendar year. I bet we get it in 2 weeks on AOS.

I do agree that 7 years ago it's likely before iron man. or at least before Coulson shows up alone in Iron Man (may 2008 )

 

[wyokid]

My bad. Seven is Right. Really drunk. Math not so good.

 

[DIrishB]

Haven't watched it yet. About to sit down and do so...

 

[DIrishB]

I guess it just feels too out of place and disconnected from everything else. Probably won't once there's more shows. Agents of SHIELD sort of had that problem until season one's back episodes.

That's true. Ultimately I think the Netflix shows will be far more self-contained (at least at first), whereas Agents of SHIELD has always been pretty upfront about being a weekly advertisement for the MCU and tying into most of their feature films directly (only GotG didn't directly crossover with AoS in tie-in episodes, while AoS directly tied in with Thor-TDW in 1 episode and has had Sif appear in a couple of episodes, directly tied in with CA-TWS and its fallout in several episodes, and will undoubtedly have at least one tie-in episode for A-AoU, and has had a handful of appearances by Fury). And thats ok.

So we know it's most likely present day, 2015 on Agents of Shield now. Since Skye was born July 2, 1988, and she is 26, her 27th birthday is this July. I'm guessing it's now now on the show. (Spaceballs reference)

Yep. A general rule has always applied to the MCU films that theyre eternally occurring in the present day. They've ret-conned Iron Man 2 and Incredible Hulk to overlap with Thor, and Captain America-TWS and Daredevil reflected dates that were more in line with shooting dates (for CA-TWS midway through the post production in that case--October, 2013, a full 6 months before the film came out--and Daredevil's August, 2014 date is reflective of the real world time since the series was shot from July to December).

The same seemed to apply to AoS until it had to be retconned to fit into a month and a half long time period due to the CA-TWS tie in episodes and the hard dates seen in both the film and the series (specifically its starting point in the Pilot episode). Season 2 has generally followed a more real world reflective timeline, though nowhere to the degree Arrow or the Flash series do (they're very tight and specific with the timeline, even in the spin-off comics). If AoU features some mention of length of time since a previous event, or a visible onscreen date, we can work from there.

And it's seven years ago, not 8, but yeah I'm guessing its 2008, right before iron man.

I think its best to place it after Iron Man. For one, assuming Iron Man lasts from January to late May, 2008 its still possible to set it after Iron Man without issue (and that seems to work better since Coulson is still referring to SHIELD by its full, unabbreviated name in both, but May shortens it to SHIELD). Coulson mentions in Iron Man they're working on shortening the name of SHIELD (since he doesn't abbreviate it, at least back then. Which begs the question, if SHIELD started as a reorganization of the SSR in 1946, why was Coulson always saying the full name? Just a character quirk he dropped after 2008, apparently?

Coulson's attitude in Iron Man also don't reflect a recent mission that went very bad (though it could be argued he was using his "game face" there), maybe indicating it comes after. Its not exactly 7 years, but a month or so shy of it isn't a big deal. So I say place it just after Iron Man. It also serves to explain why such a valuable agent as May wasn't ever seen in the MCU until 2013... she'd exiled herself to administrative work after 2008, the very start of the modern MCU time period/Phase 1.

Why is it most likely 2015? Sky is 26 for 6 months in 2014 and 6 months in 2014. Could be either. It's not definitive yet. It simply confirms that present day is at least July 2014 (which we basically knew anyways.) objectively speaking we still need more clues to definitively determine the "present day" calendar year. I bet we get it in 2 weeks on AOS.

True, though I wouldn't take the answers of producers as necessarily definitive. One of the CA-TWS producers said it occurred 2 years after Avengers... even though the date shown in it is 1 year and 5 months after Avengers. So, its possible AoU occurs in 2014, but I doubt it. And given the upcoming tie in episodes likely overlap with the film's timeline, its not ludicrous to assume it is indeed 2015, just as an argument can be made for it being 2014. Could be either at this point. Hopefully we'll have a better idea in a couple weeks.

I do have a feeling AoU will have less of an impact or presence on the show than CA-TWS did. Especially since SHIELD plays an integral role in both CA_TWS and AoS, it made sense. This time I doubt Coulson and the team are going to go up against any Ultron drones. I wager they may reference the events of AoU on AoS, but that's probably about it. Coulson is too busy dealing with the other SHIELD.




Also, added episode title for AoS 2x20, added all of AoS 2x17, and I was right in calling AoS airing episodes 2x21 and 2x22 on the same night of May 12. Sweeps week, after all, and viewership is bound to increase after AoU's release.

 

[SexySnorlax]

So now we know for sure that this last episode is set between July 2 2014 and April 25 2015

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

So now we know for sure that this last episode is set between July 2 2014 and April 25 2015

Right now all we know for sure that AOS s2e17 "present day" occurs between July 2 2014 and July 1 2015. Based on (as Murdock would say) purely the facts.

 

[DIrishB]

So now we know for sure that this last episode is set between July 2 2014 and April 25 2015

Where are you deriving the April 25, 2015 date from?

Right now all we know for sure that AOS s2e17 "present day" occurs between July 2 2014 and July 1 2015. Based on (as Murdock would say) purely the facts.

Exactly.

 

[wyokid]

Could always put the flashbacks during Iron Man since that takes place over months. It would also explain, like DIB said, why he starts be saying it all out and then has SHIELD at the end.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Currently the timeline shows

August 27
Daredevil 1x08: "Shadows in the Glass" (0:46:38 - 0:51:31)

August 28
Daredevil 1x09: "Speak of the Devil" (0:02:41 - 0:29:05)

e8 and e9 cant be back to back days as several times in e9 around minute 11, its mentioned several times that the mask has not been as active as he has been in the past and perhaps he has given up. for this to be true far more than a single night has had to transpire.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Just a thought about the placement for Foggy and Matt first meeting at college. They went to Columbia Law School in NYC, which offers graduate law degrees. So if they did a three year graduate degree starting in 2010, they would have been around 23 when they started and 26 when they finished. A year-long internship after that would put them setting up their practice in 2014 at the age of about 27. So if Matt's accident was when he was 9 and his dad died that same year and stick was with him for 6 months or so and then left, he would have been gone for 17-18 years, which is close enough to 20 for an angry comment.

 

[SexySnorlax]

Where are you deriving the April 25, 2015 date from?

In 1x07 when Skye hacks the hub to get information on her parents she enters April 26, 1989 to filter the information. A date that specific that was 25 years ago (the age she thought she was) couldn't be anything other than what she considered her birthday.

If that's not conclusive enough, the St. Agnes Orphanage papers submitted by SHIELD, that we see in 1x05, are from April 23, 1989. It makes sense that an orphan would receive a "birthday" around when they first show up at the orphanage.

Lastly, both Simmons and Ward share birthdays with their actors. It's not a big leap to believe that the producers made Skye's adoptive birthday 8 days after Chloe Bennet's.

 

[Captain Canuck]

In other interesting news, Matt Murdock also spent some time at St. Agnes Orphanage.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

In 1x07 when Skye hacks the hub to get information on her parents she enters April 26, 1989 to filter the information. A date that specific that was 25 years ago (the age she thought she was) couldn't be anything other than what she considered her birthday.

If that's not conclusive enough, the St. Agnes Orphanage papers submitted by SHIELD, that we see in 1x05, are from April 23, 1989. It makes sense that an orphan would receive a "birthday" around when they first show up at the orphanage.

Lastly, both Simmons and Ward share birthdays with their actors. It's not a big leap to believe that the producers made Skye's adoptive birthday 8 days after Chloe Bennet's.

Sounds legit.

 

[DIrishB]

In 1x07 when Skye hacks the hub to get information on her parents she enters April 26, 1989 to filter the information. A date that specific that was 25 years ago (the age she thought she was) couldn't be anything other than what she considered her birthday.

If that's not conclusive enough, the St. Agnes Orphanage papers submitted by SHIELD, that we see in 1x05, are from April 23, 1989. It makes sense that an orphan would receive a "birthday" around when they first show up at the orphanage.

Lastly, both Simmons and Ward share birthdays with their actors. It's not a big leap to believe that the producers made Skye's adoptive birthday 8 days after Chloe Bennet's.

Right, but in terms of the timeline, and the MCU continuity, that's just a fake birthday, much like her name was fake. She was almost a year older (9 months or so) than her believed age, as revealed in last night's episode. Her parents told her that her real birthday is July 2, 1988, and that she was 26, not 25, as she'd thought.

Did you watch the most current episode? 2x17 "Melinda", delves into how Melinda May got the nickname Cavalry and why she hates it, as well as the revelations about Skye/Daisy's real age.

Currently the timeline shows

August 27
Daredevil 1x08: "Shadows in the Glass" (0:46:38 - 0:51:31)

August 28
Daredevil 1x09: "Speak of the Devil" (0:02:41 - 0:29:05)

e8 and e9 cant be back to back days as several times in e9 around minute 11, its mentioned several times that the mask has not been as active as he has been in the past and perhaps he has given up. for this to be true far more than a single night has had to transpire.

I'll rewatch them but I was pretty sure it worked. I'll give it another go.

Just a thought about the placement for Foggy and Matt first meeting at college. They went to Columbia Law School in NYC, which offers graduate law degrees. So if they did a three year graduate degree starting in 2010, they would have been around 23 when they started and 26 when they finished. A year-long internship after that would put them setting up their practice in 2014 at the age of about 27. So if Matt's accident was when he was 9 and his dad died that same year and stick was with him for 6 months or so and then left, he would have been gone for 17-18 years, which is close enough to 20 for an angry comment.

That's a good point, but at the same time we have to go with what we know (Matt's 20 years comment to Stick). If a Season 2 clarifies his past/timeline a bit, I can definitely make changes as needed.

In other interesting news, Matt Murdock also spent some time at St. Agnes Orphanage.

Yup. Presumably at the same time as Skye/Daisy, since she was there ever since 1989. Matt got there presumably in the early 1990's (1993 or 1994), when he was around 10 years old and Skye/Daisy (or Marie Sue Poots as she was known at the orphanage before changing her name to Skye) was thought to be around 4 or 5 at that time, but was actually either 5 or 6 since she was a year older than she thought.

 

[SexySnorlax]

Right, but in terms of the timeline, and the MCU continuity, that's just a fake birthday, much like her name was fake. She was almost a year older (9 months or so) than her believed age, as revealed in last night's episode. Her parents told her that her real birthday is July 2, 1988, and that she was 26, not 25, as she'd thought.

In terms of the timeline it means the episode can be set no earlier than July 2, 2014 (because she's 26) and no later than April 25, 2015 (because she thought she was 25). I know 10 months is a still a wide window, but it's smaller than the 12 months we had before.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Currently the timeline shows

August 27
Daredevil 1x08: "Shadows in the Glass" (0:46:38 - 0:51:31)

August 28
Daredevil 1x09: "Speak of the Devil" (0:02:41 - 0:29:05)

e8 and e9 cant be back to back days as several times in e9 around minute 11, its mentioned several times that the mask has not been as active as he has been in the past and perhaps he has given up. for this to be true far more than a single night has had to transpire.

E10 @ about 20 min is a Sunday. Currently you have it listed as Aug 31 (which was also a Sunday). I think it makes more sense to push back August 28 from e9 onward back a week to sept 5th allow for the inactive gap kingpin refers to. Murdock still has wounds so it couldn't have been too long. So one week is really the only logical choic that satisfies both the Sunday reference and the inactive gap in daredevil's nightime justice.

 

[DIrishB]

In terms of the timeline it means the episode can be set no earlier than July 2, 2014 (because she's 26) and no later than April 25, 2015 (because she thought she was 25). I know 10 months is a still a wide window, but it's smaller than the 12 months we had before.

Ah, I get what you're saying, now. Sorry, misunderstood before.

E10 @ about 20 min is a Sunday. Currently you have it listed as Aug 31 (which was also a Sunday). I think it makes more sense to push back August 28 from e9 onward back a week to sept 5th allow for the inactive gap kingpin refers to. Murdock still has wounds so it couldn't have been too long. So one week is really the only logical choic that satisfies both the Sunday reference and the inactive gap in daredevil's nightime justice.

I'll look into it.