Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

Another little timeline thing: in episode 9, at the 29:46 mark, Karen is talking to Matt about the men who roughed her up that Foggy attacked with a bat and she maced... and their contractors licenses expire on Dec 31, 2015. The state of NY Contractors license has a window of two years. In reality they expire on Feb 28, odd years (2011, 2013, 2015), not Dec 31. Still, though, that supports the placement of it sometime in 2014. Of course that could technically place it in 2015, but the line about the attack by the Chitauri being 2+ years ago cements it in 2014 for me.

 

[DIrishB]

WHiH (the fictional news organization that's appeared in Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Agents of SHIELD, and even the Iron Man 2 - Public Identity comic, appears in Daredevil as well, in several different episodes.

I love those little continuity nods to the bigger MCU.

Nah. Later episode Urich holds it and it's the main focus of the camera.

Ah, ok, didn't realize that. I'm on episode 9 right now.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Rewatched AOS S2e11 Aftershocks. There's definitely been a few days at most since S2e10 What They Become. Coulson's head has a fresh wound/bruise on it. Sky talks about "every time she wakes up.." so its likely been at least a couple days. Mack "cleared [quarantine] pretty quickly whatever took over his system is gone." Trips mother has not been informed. Raina is still in the temple. Hydra is still scrambling over Whitehall's death.

I know everyone wants this to be the break that Daredevil fits in, but its simply not supported. We don't even truly know what year the current AOS episodes are set in. Season began in Spring 2014. It is possible that its still 2014.

I also read an interview today where the producers say that Ultron likely occurs a few months after winter soldier. Cant remember the source but its out there. I think we will have a good idea for daredevil and SHIELD placement come May 1st.

 

[Spoon_Wielder]

I also read an interview today where the producers say that Ultron likely occurs a few months after winter soldier. Cant remember the source but its out there. I think we will have a good idea for daredevil and SHIELD placement come May 1st.

It's now your soul duty to find that interview again.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Best cannadate for an AOS break is between AOS S2e6 and S2e7. Near the beginning of the episode Colson says "the writing's comming more and more frequently. Use to be be two-three times a month, then once a week, now its every day."

The season begins with his events every 18 days. The first 6 episodes of the season appear to be back to back to back. This gradual change in frequency by definition would take a minimum of a month to occur since you would need at least a couple incidents at 2 weeks apart, a couple times at 1 week apart and then on to every day. My guess is there is a couple month gap here. I did notice that the folks in Philadelphia are wearing light jackets. Perhaps its autumn?

I really need to rewatch the first half of the season and track when the writing episodes occur. See if there is a trend. S2e6 definately occurs before November 2014 as Coulson threatens Christian Ward with revealing Grant's ties to hydra because it's an Election Year.

 

[DIrishB]

So Episode 10 of Daredevil features flashbacks to when Matt and Foggy were in college. The first flashback opens with a view of the back of Foggy's laptop computer, which features a logo/sticker reading "Bolts - Conference Champs 2009". That would indicate that Matt went to college when he was 25... I think Foggy is around the same age... not sure if that's another prop screw up or intentional...

 

[DIrishB]

Rewatched AOS S2e11 Aftershocks. There's definitely been a few days at most since S2e10 What They Become. Coulson's head has a fresh wound/bruise on it. Sky talks about "every time she wakes up.." so its likely been at least a couple days. Mack "cleared [quarantine] pretty quickly whatever took over his system is gone." Trips mother has not been informed. Raina is still in the temple. Hydra is still scrambling over Whitehall's death.

Exactly. That's what I meant when I said it was implied, but not directly stated. Wound healing is a helpful marker for timeline freaks like me.

I know everyone wants this to be the break that Daredevil fits in, but its simply not supported. We don't even truly know what year the current AOS episodes are set in. Season began in Spring 2014. It is possible that its still 2014.

Yup. Its entirely possible. I'm just trying to account for the fact that AoS will have some crossover episodes with the new Avengers film starting in the next few weeks. If they don't tie in directly or crossover directly in terms of the timeline (its possible they may not do crossover episodes but I think that's unlikely), that'll make things easier.

I also read an interview today where the producers say that Ultron likely occurs a few months after winter soldier. Cant remember the source but its out there. I think we will have a good idea for daredevil and SHIELD placement come May 1st.

If that's the case it'll definitely make it a lot easier. If you could find that link and post it here I'd really appreciate it.

Best cannadate for an AOS break is between AOS S2e6 and S2e7. Near the beginning of the episode Colson says "the writing's comming more and more frequently. Use to be be two-three times a month, then once a week, now its every day."

The season begins with his events every 18 days. The first 6 episodes of the season appear to be back to back to back. This gradual change in frequency by definition would take a minimum of a month to occur since you would need at least a couple incidents at 2 weeks apart, a couple times at 1 week apart and then on to every day. My guess is there is a couple month gap here. I did notice that the folks in Philadelphia are wearing light jackets. Perhaps its autumn?

I really need to rewatch the first half of the season and track when the writing episodes occur. See if there is a trend. S2e6 definately occurs before November 2014 as Coulson threatens Christian Ward with revealing Grant's ties to hydra because it's an Election Year.

Excellent. I think best bet is to view the gap there as slightly longer or shorter depending on your own personal preference for your own versions of the timeline. To make it make as much sense as possible for now (until we see Age of Ultron and the tie in AoS episodes air) and get an idea of if it really does occur in early 2014 (a few months after Winter Soldier would place it in anywhere from Jan to March, 2014, depending on how liberal their usage of the phrase "few months", particularly "few", is).

Hoping you're right about it picking up only a few months after Winter Soldier. That would solve a lot.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

It's now your soul duty to find that interview again.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04...lks-iron-mans-dark-past-and-future-of-the-mcu

The quote was from Executive Producer Jeremy Latcham, however its not as definitive as I remembered.

"Question: How long after Winter Solider are we in this film?

Latcham: We don't put a date on it, but it's implied that the events [of Winter Soldier] have happened, and we're a little bit a ways from it. I don't know, maybe a couple months."


Maybe we won't get closure to the timeline after all...

 

[Zpdedoda]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04...lks-iron-mans-dark-past-and-future-of-the-mcu

The quote was from Executive Producer Jeremy Latcham, however its not as definitive as I remembered.

"Question: How long after Winter Solider are we in this film?

Latcham: We don't put a date on it, but it's implied that the events [of Winter Soldier] have happened, and we're a little bit a ways from it. I don't know, maybe a couple months."


Maybe we won't get closure to the timeline after all...

If only they had people like us on hand as continuity experts for them. We'd make sure everything made sense and there was proper official dates for everything

 

[crafty100]

So Episode 10 of Daredevil features flashbacks to when Matt and Foggy were in college. The first flashback opens with a view of the back of Foggy's laptop computer, which features a logo/sticker reading "Bolts - Conference Champs 2009". That would indicate that Matt went to college when he was 25... I think Foggy is around the same age... not sure if that's another prop screw up or intentional...

This is what I posted earlier, you may have missed it;
The hardest part to place will be his college life. Internships last around a year and college would have come before that so we are looking at 2013 being in college, they may have started 7 years before that though as that is how long you are in college for to be a lawyer. So they would have started as early as 2006.
I would place them meeting at college just before Iron Man 1 along side the russians being in prison. The time they were drunk was the night before they finished so just before Agents of Shield starts? And perhaps the end of the internship before or just after AoS season 2 starts? The Fisk flashbacks in the 70's

 

[crafty100]

Exactly. That's what I meant when I said it was implied, but not directly stated. Wound healing is a helpful marker for timeline freaks like me.



Yup. Its entirely possible. I'm just trying to account for the fact that AoS will have some crossover episodes with the new Avengers film starting in the next few weeks. If they don't tie in directly or crossover directly in terms of the timeline (its possible they may not do crossover episodes but I think that's unlikely), that'll make things easier.



If that's the case it'll definitely make it a lot easier. If you could find that link and post it here I'd really appreciate it.



Excellent. I think best bet is to view the gap there as slightly longer or shorter depending on your own personal preference for your own versions of the timeline. To make it make as much sense as possible for now (until we see Age of Ultron and the tie in AoS episodes air) and get an idea of if it really does occur in early 2014 (a few months after Winter Soldier would place it in anywhere from Jan to March, 2014, depending on how liberal their usage of the phrase "few months", particularly "few", is).

Hoping you're right about it picking up only a few months after Winter Soldier. That would solve a lot.

I am sure at the start of season 2 they mention 6 months have passed, I will have to double check, if this is the case then AoU will occur 8- 12 months after Winter Soldier. I wouldn't take what he says as gospel, he said he doesn't put a date on it and he is on the spot.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Only reference was Talbot chasing them "all winter" if that statement is taken literally it's at least March or April when AOS Season 2 begins. That's at least 5 months past season 1 closing. It's not hard to imagine 6 months (late April 2014) as it would still be early spring. Thinking back Coulson had several writing events between episode 1 and 6 and I think it was mentioned more than once that these were occurring about 18 days apart. If so a careful rewatch may be able to determine the actual timespan (and hopefully approximate months of the each of the episodes.)

The quote definitely isn't gospel and in camera details should be prime if they contradict but at least it's something.

 

[crafty100]

I think it is fine how it is atm, around 5-6 months after season 1. I did notice that a scene from AoS S01 E08 is missing, the scene in which we see Grant as a boy and his younger brother in the well. Placed around 93-95?

 

[DIrishB]

This is what I posted earlier, you may have missed it;
The hardest part to place will be his college life. Internships last around a year and college would have come before that so we are looking at 2013 being in college, they may have started 7 years before that though as that is how long you are in college for to be a lawyer. So they would have started as early as 2006.
I would place them meeting at college just before Iron Man 1 along side the russians being in prison. The time they were drunk was the night before they finished so just before Agents of Shield starts? And perhaps the end of the internship before or just after AoS season 2 starts? The Fisk flashbacks in the 70's

Yeah, I'm stumped on that one. But I wouldn't place the Matt/Foggy college scenes before Iron Man 1. Iron Man 1 definitively occurs in Jan - May, 2008. Presumably the scene with Matt and Foggy meeting in college occurs in August, 2009 (August is when Fall semester starts and most college roommates first meet, and the sticker on Foggy's laptop implies it's at least 2009 or after). It's also possible, however, that that scene isn't their freshman year. It's possible that was just when they met, possibly as juniors in college when they first moved in with each other, and became good friends and attended law school together. Just a guess to make it work.

 

[crafty100]

Yeah, I'm stumped on that one. But I wouldn't place the Matt/Foggy college scenes before Iron Man 1. Iron Man 1 definitively occurs in Jan - May, 2008. Presumably the scene with Matt and Foggy meeting in college occurs in August, 2009 (August is when Fall semester starts and most college roommates first meet, and the sticker on Foggy's laptop implies it's at least 2009 or after). It's also possible, however, that that scene isn't their freshman year. It's possible that was just when they met, possibly as juniors in college when they first moved in with each other, and became good friends and attended law school together. Just a guess to make it work.

I am thinking the 2009 is just a prop. If they were in college together, even if when they started they were not roommates, wouldn't they still know each other? I don't know how the American system works. I was thinking they just left their internship, being about a year which would place that starting in 2013. Would college come before that or is law school a separate thing? If it is just college then it would be 7 years before when they started, so as early as 2006

 

[DIrishB]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04...lks-iron-mans-dark-past-and-future-of-the-mcu

The quote was from Executive Producer Jeremy Latcham, however its not as definitive as I remembered.

"Question: How long after Winter Solider are we in this film?

Latcham: We don't put a date on it, but it's implied that the events [of Winter Soldier] have happened, and we're a little bit a ways from it. I don't know, maybe a couple months."


Maybe we won't get closure to the timeline after all...

Still, it's something. If worse comes to worse and there are no timeline markers (like a date seen on a computer or phone screen, documents, etc) in Age of Ultron, that at least allows for some condensing and a layout that works in terms of the timeline. Pushing AoS Season 2 from starting in Spring, 2014 to lasting until Spring, 2015 (to tie in with AoU) seems unlikely given most episodes have followed one after the other, with only a couple chances to insert time breaks, and one of those allows for only a few days maximum (the other anywhere from several weeks to months depending on your preference), but either way that doesn't cover enough time for AoS Season 2 to last a year. If we're able to push AoU into early 2014, I can place Guardians in very early 2014, AoS starting in March, 2014, and finishing within a month or two putting AoU right after.

I am sure at the start of season 2 they mention 6 months have passed, I will have to double check, if this is the case then AoU will occur 8- 12 months after Winter Soldier. I wouldn't take what he says as gospel, he said he doesn't put a date on it and he is on the spot.

No, there's definitely no 6 months between Seasons 1 and 2 of AoS in the show. If there was we'd have picked up on it and used that as a baseline to place AoS season 2 more exactly. All that was said was that Talbot has chased them all winter.

That makes sense, given Winter Soldier and AoS Season 1 both ended the end of October, 2013. That would put winter starting a little over a month later and lasting until February, 2014. Talbot presumably spent around 3-4 months actively chasing Coulson and his team. It's therefore presumed that AoS Season 2 has picked up at least several months after Season 1. That also still allows time to account for Skye's increased training, Ward's beard growth, etc. So likely anywhere from March to April, maybe even May, 2014 could be used for AoS starting point, and it lasting maybe a few months total.

Only reference was Talbot chasing them "all winter" if that statement is taken literally it's at least March or April when AOS Season 2 begins. That's at least 5 months past season 1 closing. It's not hard to imagine 6 months (late April 2014) as it would still be early spring. Thinking back Coulson had several writing events between episode 1 and 6 and I think it was mentioned more than once that these were occurring about 18 days apart. If so a careful rewatch may be able to determine the actual timespan (and hopefully approximate months of the each of the episodes.)

I'm going to be doing so over the next few weeks, along with the rest of the MCU. I'll see if I can catch anything regarding that.

The quote definitely isn't gospel and in camera details should be prime if they contradict but at least it's something.

Yup. It provides an explanation for the AoS Season 2 layout at least, assuming AoU doesn't feature any time or date markers in background or on props.

 

[DIrishB]

I think it is fine how it is atm, around 5-6 months after season 1.

But it isn't 5-6 months after Season 1. It's an indeterminate amount of time after Season 1 and Winter Soldier. It's implied to be several months after, based on the "all winter" comment, but that could mean a maximum of 5 months (November, in which not much happened apparently, and December to February in which Talbot chased Coulson and his team regularly). AoS likely picks up in early Spring, March or April, since Coulson didn't use the term "last 6 months" or anything more specific.

I did notice that a scene from AoS S01 E08 is missing, the scene in which we see Grant as a boy and his younger brother in the well. Placed around 93-95?

I think that may have been because that scene was approached more of a flashback had by the character and not a chronological flashback. What's the time code on it? I'll have to double check.

 

[DIrishB]

I am thinking the 2009 is just a prop.

It is, but a prop intentionally designed or chosen due to the 2009 date, probably, hence its prominent placement in that opening shot of the flashback scene. Meaning it likely does reflect the actual year there.

If they were in college together, even if when they started they were not roommates, wouldn't they still know each other? I don't know how the American system works.

Not at all. Depends on the college/university size, but a larger prestigious university, and even less prestigious large universities, have thousands or tens of thousands of students. It'd be very possible, actually very likely, not to know everyone, let alone most of everyone at the school. Even if they're in the same year as you.

I was thinking they just left their internship, being about a year which would place that starting in 2013. Would college come before that or is law school a separate thing? If it is just college then it would be 7 years before when they started, so as early as 2006

They very well may have done an unpaid internship as part of their law school education. Or they could've done a paid or unpaid internship afterward before taking the bar exam. It's not specified. I prefer the former approach as it condenses things and allows the 2009 sticker prop to make sense (and it was prominently placed with a specific year on it for a reason).

 

[Hurricanebtvs]

You also have to factor in Foggy applying for the language course in Fall 2010 when they first meet, as dated on the application he's filling in on the laptop. They either meet at the end of 2009 or the start of 2010.

 

[crafty100]

It is, but a prop intentionally designed or chosen due to the 2009 date, probably, hence its prominent placement in that opening shot of the flashback scene. Meaning it likely does reflect the actual year there.

Not at all. Depends on the college/university size, but a larger prestigious university, and even less prestigious large universities, have thousands or tens of thousands of students. It'd be very possible, actually very likely, not to know everyone, let alone most of everyone at the school. Even if they're in the same year as you.

They very well may have done an unpaid internship as part of their law school education. Or they could've done a paid or unpaid internship afterward before taking the bar exam. It's not specified. I prefer the former approach as it condenses things and allows the 2009 sticker prop to make sense (and it was prominently placed with a specific year on it for a reason).

Ah I see, 2009 it is then Colleges/ Universities in the UK are smaller, you get to know everyone doing the same course as you
The time stamp for s01 e08 is 32.34, it is a flashback, but one that also makes sense for his scenes later on with his brother