Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

On further thought using the 2013.10.12 date as Dec 10th doesn't hold up since we definitively know that S.H.I.E.L.D. uses the year, month, date format as scene on all of their ID badges.
 
Just like my uncle.

That... explains a lot.

Here is the blu ray chapters from Captain America The Winter Soldier Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 1: "Prologue" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 2: "Hostages on the Lemurian Star" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 3: "Don't Hold Your Breath" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 4: "Steve Visits the Smithsonian" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 5: "Project Insight" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 6: "In Pursuit" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 7: "Steve Meets Alexander Pierce" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 8: "Fugitives from S.H.I.E.L.D." Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 9: "Uncovering the Past" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 10: "Call it a Resume" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 11: "Facing off with the Winter Soldier" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 12: "Captain's Orders" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 13: "Paying a Price" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 14: "Engaging" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 15: "The End of the Line" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 16: "Battle over the Potomac" Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 17: "Life after S.H.I.E.L.D." Captain America - The Winter Soldier Chapter 18: "End Credits"

Very cool. I'll add those chapter titles in. Thanks!


On further thought using the 2013.10.12 date as Dec 10th doesn't hold up since we definitively know that S.H.I.E.L.D. uses the year, month, date format as scene on all of their ID badges.

True, but it's also possible SHIELD was holding Batroc in a site outside the U.S., possibly in Europe or anywhere, that very well may have had cameras whose software used the day/month/year format (or actually the year/day/month).

I'm still inclined to think the October date is more likely due to the fact the trees are still green.
 
I have yet to find anywhere in the world that uses the YYYY-DD-MM format. Some countries use the day before the month but never if the year is posted first. Of course in the fictional MCU world, its still possible.
 
I have yet to find anywhere in the world that uses the YYYY-DD-MM format. Some countries use the day before the month but never if the year is posted first. Of course in the fictional MCU world, its still possible.

I've seen the European approach (day/month/year) used before where the year is placed first (year/day/month). I believe certain countries militaries uses that format, though may be wrong. I've definitely seen that format before, just can't remember where.
 
1945
March 3
Captain America - The First Avenger Chapter 13 (1:31:04 - 1:31:48)

March 4
Captain America - The First Avenger Chapter 13 (1:31:49 - 1:33:45)

How were these dates obtained? Was March 4th mentioned as Caps Freeze date in the Smithsonian or something? Also If March 4th is the date we need to move the timer back on March 3 has to be at least 1:28:27 since the Red Skull states that the Valkyrie attack will occur "tomorrow". In the next scene Colonel Phillips states that his "New best friend" says the attack will occur within the next 24 hours. Although not explicitly stated it seems implied that this is a reference to two scenes back were Phillips brings the stake to Zola (1:25:32). That scene and the following Cap drinking scene seem to imply that its on the same or next day or two after Bucky's death scene (1:21:51) since we are led to believe that its Zola's initial interrogation. Problem is the Cap 2 exhibit in Smithsonian states that Bucky died in 1944 in a huge font. So where does the March 4 & 5th 1945 reference come from?
 
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1945 March 3 Captain America - The First Avenger Chapter 13 (1:31:04 - 1:31:48)
March 4 Captain America - The First Avenger Chapter 13 (1:31:49 - 1:33:45)

How were these dates obtained? Was March 4th mentioned as Caps Freeze date in the Smithsonian or something? Also If March 4th is the date we need to move the timer back on March 3 has to be at least 1:28:27 since the Red Skull states that the Valkyrie attack will occur "tomorrow". In the next scene Colonel Phillips states that his "New best friend" says the attack will occur within the next 24 hours. Although not explicitly stated it seems implied that this is a reference to two scenes back were Phillips brings the stake to Zola (1:25:32). That scene and the following Cap drinking scene seem to imply that its on the same or next day or two after Bucky's death scene (1:21:51) since we are led to believe that its Zola's initial interrogation. Problem is the Cap 2 exhibit in Smithsonian states that Bucky died in 1944 in a huge font. So where does the March 4 & 5th 1945 reference come from?

The March 4th date is based on when it was believed Cap died, as shown in a display in CA-TWS. With Bucky's "death" confirmed as 1944 by CA-TWS, I'm assuming that the Cap drinking scene occurs immediately after the mission where Bucky fell from the train, likely that night, and there's an unseen but large gap (or at least several months to close to a year--to back up the date seen in CA-TWS for Cap's "death") before the next scene where they are planning the attack on Red Skull's base.
 
Thanks for the details.

No problem. It's tough keeping it all straight in terms of memory, but every specific date I've used in the timeline is based on a date seen in the films (really only Iron Man 1, The Avengers--and it's not seen specifically in the film but is in production photos in the scene at the museum fight between Loki, Cap, and Iron Man, and in CA-TWS). Everything else is extrapolated from there, based on days passing in the films (specifically Iron Man 2, Thor, and Incredible Hulk overlap, established by Fury's Big Week).

But CA-TWS definitely offered the years for Bucky and Cap's supposed deaths. Bucky was in 1944 and Cap's was in 1945, which necessitates a gap between the Bucky death scene on the train and Cap's drinking scene, and the following scene where they plan the attack on Skull's base.
 
Except one thing, Assuming the scenes pass in chronological order we can derive:

1) Bucky's Death - Confirmed 1944 (Late 1944 since this is the second winter since Nov 1943)
2) Zolo's Interrogation - Not specific but appears to be spring time
3) Hydra at the Valkyrie - Confirmed March 3 1945 (Red Skull says they will attack "tomorrow")
4) Cap Drinking Scene - Confirmed March 3 1945 (its between scenes 3 & 5 which are both confirmed to be March 3 1945)
5) Prepare for War scene - Confirmed March 3 1945 (Philips says that hydra will attack in "less than 24 hours", he also implies that someone, presumably Zolo gave him that information recently.)
6) The final attack and Caps Death - Confirmed March 4 1945 (Smithsonian in Cap 2)

With that information there are only two possibilities:
a) March 3 begins in Scene 2 which appears to be spring and also aligns with what Phillip implies in Scene 5.
b) March 3 begins with Scene 3. Phillips received the attack information days, weeks, or months, earlier from Zolo (because all hydra agents kill themselves except Zolo according to Phillips)
Note: both place the drinking scene on March 3. I guess cap takes bucky's death harder than we thought or is simply having an bad night.


Possibility a) seems most likely to me given the evidence.
 
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Except one thing, Assuming the scenes pass in chronological order we can derive: 1) Bucky's Death - Confirmed 1944 (Late 1944 since this is the second winter since Nov 1943) 2) Zolo's Interrogation - Not specific but appears to be spring time 3) Hydra at the Valkyrie - Confirmed March 3 1945 (Red Skull says they will attack "tomorrow") 4) Cap Drinking Scene - Confirmed March 3 1945 (its between scenes 3 & 5 which are both confirmed to be March 3 1945) 5) Prepare for War scene - Confirmed March 3 1945 (Philips says that hydra will attack in "less than 24 hours", he also implies that someone, presumably Zolo gave him that information recently.) 6) The final attack and Caps Death - Confirmed March 4 1945 (Smithsonian in Cap 2) With that information there are only two possibilities: a) March 3 begins in Scene 2 which appears to be spring and also aligns with what Phillip implies in Scene 5. b) March 3 begins with Scene 3. Phillips received the attack information days, weeks, or months, earlier from Zolo (because all hydra agents kill themselves except Zolo according to Phillips) Note: both place the drinking scene on March 3. I guess cap takes bucky's death harder than we thought or is simply having an bad night. Possibility a) seems most likely to me given the evidence.

A few things in regards to this:

It's important to remember that since Cap was in Europe at this time, and given the mountainous regions often have snow or even heavy snow at all parts of the year depending on elevation and air moisture and temperature, I wouldn't lean too heavily on the weather in the background being a sure indicator regarding what season of the year it is.

I also wouldn't think they'd wait several months at least to interrogate Zola about Hydra's bases, etc. The interrogation scene I would expect occurs immediately or very soon after his capture in the scene on the train where Bucky dies.

I'll have to re-watch CA-TFA to see if I can make sense of how it occurs in regards to the dates.
 
These are the dates that I found:
Batroc born 04-19-1987
Jasper Sitwell born 08/12/1973
Bucky Barnes 1917-1944 It even contradicts itself why the text say that he was born in 1916
Agent Carter Interview 1953
Date in a table 04/04/13
Batroc Interrogation 10/12/2013 ( of course )
Dates on screen when black widow is tracking the files from Lemurian Star 13/12/01 , 01-16-13 , 01-20-13 , 01-29-13 , 13/01/02 , 03/13/02 , 12-13-02 , 08-20-13 (same dates as when she was copying the hard drive )
Operation Paperclip August 17, 1945
Howard Stark dies December 17, 1991
Captain America disappears March 5, 1945
Pierce picture 9-18-92
Tomb of Fury 19 ...- 20 ...
If you find an error please tell me
 
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I believe the Iron man 2 timetable may be off a bit. The current timetable shows Tony arriving home 2 days after the Stark Expo opens. According to this screen shots its clearly 3 days and is a Monday; and perhaps even Feb 9th or Sept 2nd since its likely near 9pm.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/75bt3tbp7wo3ig4/iron man 2 - youtube after senate.png
http://www.mediafire.com/view/22c01w4duumtt81/iron man 2 - 362 days left (sometime after senate).png

And beyond that Vanko's death appears to be on Monday December 24. ie "Monday Issue 24 December". It also appears that Tony queried the search on 5/6/10.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ylc4chpjot427qo/Vanko dies.png

Are we certain that the events occur in May 2011? If so how? Is that derived from a direct on screen reference everywhere? Perhaps its timetable is more extended that we originally thought. Its been a while since I read Fury's Big week so I cant remember at what point Iron Man 2 ties into it. Thanks.
 
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I believe the Iron man 2 timetable may be off a bit. The current timetable shows Tony arriving home 2 days after the Stark Expo opens. According to this screen shots its clearly 3 days and is a Monday; and perhaps even Feb 9th or Sept 2nd since its likely near 9pm. http://www.mediafire.com/view/75bt3tbp7wo3ig4/iron%20man%202%20-%20youtube%20after%20senate.png http://www.mediafire.com/view/22c01w4duumtt81/iron%20man%202%20-%20362%20days%20left%20(sometime%20after%20senate).png And beyond that Vanko's death appears to be on Monday December 24. ie "Monday Issue 24 December". It also appears that Tony queried the search on 5/6/10. http://www.mediafire.com/view/ylc4chpjot427qo/Vanko%20dies.png Are we certain that the events occur in May 2011? If so how? Is that derived from a direct on screen reference everywhere? Perhaps its timetable is more extended that we originally thought. Its been a while since I read Fury's Big week so I cant remember at what point Iron Man 2 ties into it. Thanks.

Very interesting.

The dates I got for Iron Man 2 had to do with the fact the Grand Prix de Monaco occurs in May, which occurs about 1/3 of the way through IM2. The year placement was derived from the fact it overlaps with Thor and Incredible Hulk, and all of which were confirmed as occurring a year previously to Avengers (Fury mentions that in the scene where they all start arguing, just before Hulk goes nuts). Now, that could require moving everything back a year, but that would then have the date shown in CA-TWS (Oct 2013) not make sense.

Essentially, it's one of those things that just has to be viewed as a retcon regarding the timeline. Even the official MCU timeline has Iron Man occurring 64 years after Cap gets frozen in the Antarctic, placing Iron Man 1 in 2009... but that directly conflicts with the date seen onscreen in IM1 (on Tony's computer screen) establishing it as occurring in May, 2008.

Point is, the filmmakers likely don't pay anywhere near as much attention to the timeline as we do. They tend to set them "in the present", at least in regards to the present time of the film's release in theaters. Thus Iron Man 1 was set in 2008, then Iron Man 2 was set in 2010... even though the opening tag at the beginning of IM2 shows it happens only 6 months later. It's a fluid approach, apparently.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline?file=Marvel-Movie-Universe.jpeg

The other thing to keep in mind is that Iron Man 1 begins in Jan/Feb, and ends in late May, 2008, based on the date seen on Tony's computer in IM1. If IM2 occurs 6 months later, that would place it in late November or early December, 2008, which wouldn't line up with the dates shown onscreen in those screen grabs you posted. Essentially, like I said, the filmmakers just don't pay as close attention to the timeline as we do. They tend to use props that reflect a date around the time is planned for release to make it current for its viewing audience in the theater, but that often doesn't align with references to time passing in the onscreen references (IM2's opening of "6 months later") etc.

It's also important to keep in mind that when IM2 was released, they obviously intended it to occur around the same time as TIH (since the scene at the end with Tony and Fury shows the scenes from TIH's battle at the university), but likely not with Thor (though Coulson leaving for New Mexico in IM2 kind of indicates that was the plan all along).

But the Fury's Big Week comic nailed it all down much more concretely, and I used that to establish how they overlap/intersect.

Granted, it does come into conflict with the dates shown onscreen in IM2 that you posted, but it's either that or the date in IM1 (which is more blatant and noticeable) has to be ignored. I just chose the IM1 date from the start (though admittedly never noticed the dates in IM2 that you posted).

Have to give you credit there, very good eye. Just keep in mind it won't ever be perfect, since, like I said, the filmmakers and prop makers aren't paying as close attention as we are. Plus, admittedly, it's easier for us to analyze the films in hindsight, as opposed to lining everything up perfectly to the day while making the films. While I'm a continuity junkie, I'd prefer they focus on making great films first and foremost.

I think the present day setting thing works well, for the most part, as in setting the films around the time they release, give or take 6 months (as was the case with CA-TWS in regards to its Oct 2013 date but the film releasing in April, 2014).

Whenever it makes sense to use the onscreen dates I always use those, but sometimes that doesn't work in contrast with the other films. A perfect example is IM2, as well as AoS 1x16's "March" date on the wall of the nursing home. CA-TWS established that happening in October, 2013, so bad to go with that.

There's a lot of give and take and compromise and making up explanations to make sense of it all when it comes to this thing.

That said, I appreciate the hell out of you doing your homework and analyzing and asking questions. It only serves to make the timeline more accurate.

That said, I will look into that CA-TFA date issue you mentioned.
 
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No problem. I know it can never be perfect. Ideally the timeline would have the least conflicts possible; or at least the least noticeable. I always viewed the "6 months later" as 6 months after Whiplash completed and/or began work on it. As far as the Race date is concerned. I'm not convinced that we should always decide that events in the MCU occur on the same date as they did in history. At least post Iron man, as I always viewed that as the point of history where the MCU diverges from our history. (Yes I know that Cap, Thor, GOTG, technically diverge but those events wouldn't be considered noticeable from the general public so they "could" have happened.) My two cents.
 
Fury's Big Week (as it pertains to Iron man 2) begins roughly with Tony's and Warmachine's fight. That doesn't preclude the possibility that that portion of the story took place in may and perhaps some other portions took place earlier. I have eliminated the Vanko dies in prison escape as a credible date since the 1st Monday December 24th after IM is in 2012. Its possible but not probable that it says "November". If that is so then the only possible date is Monday November 24th 2008 which is 6 months after IM but way that is way too far from avengers, shield and cap which are pretty set in stone. Plus that date is pretty blurry as is. Thus I have to concede that the director didn't intend us to be able to read that date and should not be considered valid.
 
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Fury's Big Week (as it pertains to Iron man 2) begins roughly with Tony's and Warmachine's fight. That doesn't preclude the possibility that that portion of the story took place in may and perhaps some other portions took place earlier. I have eliminated the Vanko dies in prison escape as a credible date since the 1st Monday December 24th after IM is in 2012. Its possible but not probable that it says "November". If that is so then the only possible date is Monday November 24th 2008 which is 6 months after IM but way that is way too far from avengers, shield and cap which are pretty set in stone. Plus that date is pretty blurry as is. Thus I have to concede that the director didn't intend us to be able to read that date and should not be considered valid.

Yeah, like I said I will always use dates from the films as a baseline, and model everything else around that, as long as it makes sense in the larger tapestry. IM2's dates unfortunately don't align with the rest of the films that occasionally feature a date onscreen or in production materials/props.
 
Sorry if it's been mentioned, but how do we know that the Agent Carter series takes place before the One Shot? I would assume, and it would make more sense, that it comes after and shows the early SHIELD.
 
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Sorry if it's been mentioned, but how do we know that the Agent Carter series takes place before the One Shot? I would assume, and it would make more sense, that it comes after and shows the early SHIELD.

It's been stated a few times by the show's producers that it picks up in 1946, a year or so after the ending of CA-TFA and before the Agent Carter One-Shot. I too think a show picking up after the events of the One-Shot would be more interesting (since it'll allow them to focus on the building of and transition of the SSR to SHIELD). But they've made it absolutely clear that the series will occur just before the events of the One Shot, likely with the first season's end thing directly into the One Shot or occurring just before it. It's also possible the last episode or so will occur after the One Shot. We'll see.

But yeah, from the info provided so far, it happens before the One Shot. Apparently they're banking on a Season 2 (probably a safe bet) which will pick up after the events of the One Shot and focus on the beginning of SHIELD.
 
the synopsis of the series says that Peggy will be running secret missions for Howard while working at the SSR.

Yeah, but that just means Howard was fielding her missions before the events of the One Shot. All I'm saying is the show producers have firmly said the first season definitely takes place before the Agent Carter One Shot.

If I were to guess, I'd say the first 5-6 episodes will feature a sort of "mission of the week" vibe with larger plot elements dropped along the way (standard syndicated formula), with the final two episodes building towards the ending. I have a feeling they're going to tie the events of the One Shot into the finale for Agent Carter, and use it to set up a proposed Season 2 with her, Howard, and Dugan actually starting SHIELD immediately after the events of the One Shot.
 

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