Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

A couple other thoughts:

Was it ever finalized where Cap 2 should be placed? I believe the film occurred 2 years after Avengers. October 2014 would be 1 year 5 months. I would personally call that 1 year. March 2014 would occur 1 year 10 months later. I would call that 2 years. I even bet if someone wanted to count the days that pass or are referenced on screen for Agents of Shield S1e01 Pilot to S1e16 End of the Beginning more than a month occurs. That would definitely end the argument in my mind.

Speaking of AOS, how do we know for certain of the dates. I presume that the pilot references a specific date and on screen, but what of the Non specific dates? where does "October, November, December... come from? Is it just a guesstimate based on Air Dates? if so I suggest we add some indicator to the timeline say Ca. October 2013 or October 2013* *Date is approximate etc.

By the way. Excellent work. By far the best and most useful timeline out there for the MCU.
 
Bob_A_Mickelson said:
A couple other thoughts: Was it ever finalized where Cap 2 should be placed? I believe the film occurred 2 years after Avengers. October 2014 would be 1 year 5 months. I would personally call that 1 year. March 2014 would occur 1 year 10 months later. I would call that 2 years.
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It was said by the directors it occurs about 2 years after Avengers. And that's how I have it placed, currently.

But there's no dialogue or time markers in the film itself that place it as two years after Avengers. There is a scene (at around the 41:00 minute mark) where Cap meets Alexander Pierce, and Pierce shows Cap a video of Batroc being interrogated. The date marker shown for the video (which is specifically said to be occurring live) shows a date of October 12, 2013. That would firmly place CA-TWS as occurring between October 11 - 14, 2013 (except the closing scenes of Black Widow testifying before Congress, the various characters finding new jobs, Cap, Widow and Falcon meeting Nick Fury at the cemetery, and the after credits scenes.

So while I have the timeline currently portraying the March, 2014 dating, the film does specifically show it as occurring in October, 2013.

It's also important to keep in mind the filmmakers probably don't pay anywhere near as close attention to the timeline of the series as we do. So while they may have intended it to occur two years after Avengers, if that was the intention they screwed up by showing the October, 2013 date.

I even bet if someone wanted to count the days that pass or are referenced on screen for Agents of Shield S1e01 Pilot to S1e16 End of the Beginning more than a month occurs. That would definitely end the argument in my mind.
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Most likely. But it's possible the events of the first 15 episodes occur immediately, one after the other. If each episode covers only 1-2 days, it would come out to almost exactly a month.

I mean, it's possible, just not likely. You also have to consider Thor-TDW as also fitting into that month span of time.

It's just not likely.

Speaking of AOS, how do we know for certain of the dates. I presume that the pilot references a specific date and on screen, but what of the Non specific dates? where does "October, November, December... come from? Is it just a guesstimate based on Air Dates? if so I suggest we add some indicator to the timeline say Ca. October 2013 or October 2013* *Date is approximate etc.
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The dates were drawn originally from the Pilot episode. A few of the character's ID badges (Coulson and Ward's) that are given to them by Hill (having just been issued), show a date of September 9, 2013. That's a safe date to use since it's directly referenced on screen on the badge, and they just received the new ID badges from Hill.

By the way. Excellent work. By far the best and most useful timeline out there for the MCU.
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Thanks.
 
I've been doing some digging into MCU comics (canon and non), and I noticed that no list here has the Dr Pepper Thor comic (https://marvel.com/digitalcomics/view_white.htm?iid=20311 sometimes this load sometimes it doesn't). Also, Captain America and Thor: Avengers! is now free https://comicstore.marvel.com/Share-Your-Universe-Captain-America-Thor/digital-comic/22443

I've also found that there was a comic given away with a cologne by Diesel made for Iron Man 2 called Iron Man Only The Brave. I've not really been able to find anything about it besides an eBay listing. Does anyone know if the comic is canon or not? Diesel also came out with a Captain America box. Does anyone know if a comic was given away with it or not?

Also, the Harley Davidson Iron Man comics were used to announce the winners of some Iron Man 3 comic. Do these include any MCU material?
 
tfav2890 said:
I've been doing some digging into MCU comics (canon and non), and I noticed that no list here has the Dr Pepper Thor comic (https://marvel.com/digitalcomics/view_white.htm?iid=20311 sometimes this load sometimes it doesn't). Also, Captain America and Thor: Avengers! is now free https://comicstore.marvel.com/Share-Your-Universe-Captain-America-Thor/digital-comic/22443

I've also found that there was a comic given away with a cologne by Diesel made for Iron Man 2 called Iron Man Only The Brave. I've not really been able to find anything about it besides an eBay listing. Does anyone know if the comic is canon or not? Diesel also came out with a Captain America box. Does anyone know if a comic was given away with it or not?

Also, the Harley Davidson Iron Man comics were used to announce the winners of some Iron Man 3 comic. Do these include any MCU material?
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If it doesn't have the MCU stamp on it it's not canon

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tfav2890 said:
I've been doing some digging into MCU comics (canon and non), and I noticed that no list here has the Dr Pepper Thor comic (https://marvel.com/digitalcomics/view_white.htm?iid=20311 sometimes this load sometimes it doesn't). Also, Captain America and Thor: Avengers! is now free https://comicstore.marvel.com/Share-Your-Universe-Captain-America-Thor/digital-comic/22443 I've also found that there was a comic given away with a cologne by Diesel made for Iron Man 2 called Iron Man Only The Brave. I've not really been able to find anything about it besides an eBay listing. Does anyone know if the comic is canon or not? Diesel also came out with a Captain America box. Does anyone know if a comic was given away with it or not? Also, the Harley Davidson Iron Man comics were used to announce the winners of some Iron Man 3 comic. Do these include any MCU material?
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None of those are canon. They're what's classified as "inspired by canon", meaning they use the characters, style, designs, and storylines/plots set forth by the MCU films, but they're not considered canon to the MCU. There are a number of comics that are, most of which feature a black letterbox design and the Avengers "A" logo as an official MCU tie-in (though some of the earlier comics didn't feature the "A", like Captain America - First Vengeance).

wyokid said:
If it doesn't have the MCU stamp on it it's not canon
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For the most part that's true. There were a couple early comics that didn't feature the "A" logo, like First Vengeance, the Iron Man 1 adaptation, etc.

This is also why I doubt GotG - Galaxy's Most Wanted is canon, but just want confirmation from an official source before removing it.
 
DIrishB said:
For the most part that's true. There were a couple early comics that didn't feature the "A" logo, like First Vengeance, the Iron Man 1 adaptation, etc.
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And you know what that got collected in?

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Updated for the episode titles for the first two AoS episodes for Season 2, as well as airdates for the first five episodes.

Added tentative placements for the Avengers #1-2 (Film Adaptation) that'll be released in December and January, 2015).

Also removed the Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted #1 comic since it doesn't seem to be canon. If its established later on that it is I will add it back in. I'm leaving the AoS The Chase and one page comics since they do fit into established continuity and haven't been deemed non-canon by any official sources. If they are, they will be removed.
 
If I may ask, where is the AOS reference that places TWS in march 2014? Are there any other AOS references that place episodes specifically after October 2013? I don't remember snow in the show outside the arctic scenes. Ontario looks green during TWS. Not sure that it would in March, but Im not Canadian. Thor the dark world takes place in "2013" and presumably the fall due to the way the characters dress. I'm just having a hard time dismissing the interrogation video date. It seems pretty definitive, kinda like Iron Mans Mad Money TV scene.
 
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Bob_A_Mickelson said:
If I may ask, where is the AOS reference that places TWS in march 2014? Are there any other AOS references that place episodes specifically after October 2013?
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The episode 1x16 "End of the Beginning", during the scene where May and Blake visit the nursing home while tracking down a lead on the Clairvoyant, shows a calendar mock up with "March" as the heading.

It's easily ignored in favor of the date from CA-TWS, except for one thing. We know AoS starts in September, 2013. If we're to place CA-TWS in mid October based on that date, we have to do as follows: we have to place AoS 1x01 - 1x07, Thor - TDW, AoS 1x08-1x16 all within the second week of September and the second week of October. Barely more than a month. Not only is that unlikely, it's impossible based on dialogue from AoS, which mentions that at least several months have passed during the show's timeline from episode 1 to around mid-season (can't remember off the top of my head exactly which episode it is).

So we're left with two options: compact everything into that month span (again, extremely unlikely), or ignore the CA-TWS date as an error. The latter option creates far less problems.

I don't remember snow in the show outside the arctic scenes. Ontario looks green during TWS. Not sure that it would in March, but Im not Canadian.
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Ummmm... Ontario was never shown in TWS, as far as I know. We had plenty of Washington, DC, a little bit of the Indian Ocean, and some New Jersey, but no Ontario.

Thor the dark world takes place in "2013" and presumably the fall due to the way the characters dress. I'm just having a hard time dismissing the interrogation video date. It seems pretty definitive, kinda like Iron Mans Mad Money TV scene.
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It does seem definitive, but again, given it requires the first 2/3 of AoS Season 1 and Thor-TDW to occur over a span of a month and a few days, it's not possible. Especially since the events of most of the AoS episodes occur over spans of at least 1-3 days, and dialogue in the show specifically mentions several months have passed since Skye joined the team midway through Season 1.

I think the most logical way to view it is as a screw up, since that's obviously what it was. Whoever did the CA-TWS date graphic wasn't being kept up to date on the time span of the AoS show. OR, more appropriately, since AoS began filming after CA-TWS was done filming, the show runners of AoS weren't paying attention as they should (since they obviously knew the events of CA-TWS, since they built a large portion of their show around it).
 
Bob_A_Mickelson said:
I don't remember snow in the show outside the arctic scenes. Ontario looks green during TWS. Not sure that it would in March, but Im not Canadian.
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DIrishB said:
Ummmm... Ontario was never shown in TWS, as far as I know. We had plenty of Washington, DC, a little bit of the Indian Ocean, and some New Jersey, but no Ontario.
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It was shown in Agents of SHIELD during TWS. That's where Fury's hidden base was with Patton Oswalt. The coordinates were right here above Lake Superior. And yes, there was snow there in the show. And depending on where you are in Ontario, and the year, there very likely may not be snow in March. But there would be there.
 
DIrishB said:
The episode 1x16 "End of the Beginning", during the scene where May and Blake visit the nursing home while tracking down a lead on the Clairvoyant, shows a calendar mock up with "March" as the heading.

It's easily ignored in favor of the date from CA-TWS, except for one thing. We know AoS starts in September, 2013. If we're to place CA-TWS in mid October based on that date, we have to do as follows: we have to place AoS 1x01 - 1x07, Thor - TDW, AoS 1x08-1x16 all within the second week of September and the second week of October. Barely more than a month. Not only is that unlikely, it's impossible based on dialogue from AoS, which mentions that at least several months have passed during the show's timeline from episode 1 to around mid-season (can't remember off the top of my head exactly which episode it is).

So we're left with two options: compact everything into that month span (again, extremely unlikely), or ignore the CA-TWS date as an error. The latter option creates far less problems.



Ummmm... Ontario was never shown in TWS, as far as I know. We had plenty of Washington, DC, a little bit of the Indian Ocean, and some New Jersey, but no Ontario.



It does seem definitive, but again, given it requires the first 2/3 of AoS Season 1 and Thor-TDW to occur over a span of a month and a few days, it's not possible. Especially since the events of most of the AoS episodes occur over spans of at least 1-3 days, and dialogue in the show specifically mentions several months have passed since Skye joined the team midway through Season 1.

I think the most logical way to view it is as a screw up, since that's obviously what it was. Whoever did the CA-TWS date graphic wasn't being kept up to date on the time span of the AoS show. OR, more appropriately, since AoS began filming after CA-TWS was done filming, the show runners of AoS weren't paying attention as they should (since they obviously knew the events of CA-TWS, since they built a large portion of their show around it).
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Thanks for the excellent summary of the arguments. Yes it does seem pretty definitive. Cap 2 screwed up. Plus I noticed something new in AOS s1e16. The trees are blossoming. I know I really shouldn't take weather into consideration too much, but that a pretty blatant indicator of spring. Perhaps we could just pretend that Pierce's minions simply screwed up and not the Cap 2's graphic arts guy. Maybe ill feel better about the whole thing if I just choose to live in denial.
 
I noticed on the first page that the end of AOS s1e19 is missing from the timeline.

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 1x19: "The Only Light in the Darkness" (0:15:23 - 0:19:32)
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 1x20: "Nothing Personal"
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In AOS s2e01 General Talbot stated that he unsuccessfully searched for Coulson's team "all winter". This seems to conflict with the current timeline. Not that I have a fix.
 
Bob_A_Mickelson said:
In AOS s2e01 General Talbot stated that he unsuccessfully searched for Coulson's team "all winter". This seems to conflict with the current timeline. Not that I have a fix.
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Yup, noticed that as well. In fact, that would seem to reinforce the dating seen in Captain America - The Winter Soldier (October, 2013).

And given that mention, I'm going to presume they noticed the dating in CA-TWS when writing AoS 2x01, and retconned the previous date seen in AoS 1x16 (though it was only a background glimpse of March seen on a wall in the nursing home). So, I'm going to take the date seen in CA-TWS and the mention in AoS 2x01 as fact. That does force the placement of all of AoS Season 1 and Thor - The Dark World and Captain America - The Winter Soldier into a timeframe of September 9, 2013 (verified by the dates seen on the badges in AoS 1x01) to not long after CA-TWS (October, 2013). It also forces us to ignore the mention of Skye being with Coulson's team for a few months in one of the mid-season episodes of Season 1.

Sigh...

I've got my work cut out for me.

I'm going to be sitting down and doing a re-watch of the entire MCU over the next few weeks, paying particular attention to the Phase 2 films, especially T-TDW and CA-TWS and AoS-Season 1.

It's going to be tough, and require ignoring at least a few mentions in other cases.
 
Hey hey, it's been some months ^^

Just watched the episode of AoS-S2, and already saw an error in it..

We have the flashback happening in "Austria, 1945", but later on the picture of the first item 084, it's stated "Austria 1944".
 
We have an error with Cap:TFA, Agent Carter and last nights episode of AOS.

TFA is set in 1945, as listed on the first page. Agent Carter begins with "One year later" putting it in 1946, but last night's episode starts with "1945 - Austria" despite being set after the One-shot.
 
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No, Hurricane: If you listen in AoS-S02E01, Agent Carter and the Howling Commando are working for SSR.. like in CA:TFA.
In the end of the One-Shot, Carter and Stark will create S.H.I.E.L.D., so the flashback of AoS can't be after the One-Shot.

In order:
CA:TFA
AoS 2x01
Agent Carter The Series
One-Shot
 
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