Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

I really liked the second Ghost Rider. I loved the Crank movies and liked how they fueled that into Ghost Rider and, unlike the first film, really let Nic Cage go wild. It wasn't good by any means but I like it.

We really need to get you into a treatment program.

 

[wyokid]

We really need to get you into a treatment program.

No treatment in the world is gonna be able to fix me.

 

[DIrishB]

So I'm currently working on the Captain America - The Winter Soldier and Agents of SHIELD (episodes 16-17) crossover timeline stuff.

Should have it posted later tonight after I finish watching CA-TWS and AoS eps 16-17. Doing a lot of note taking and placement stuff while watching so its a little slow going, but its coming along.

The only additions I may need to make after I get it posted are DVD chapter titles if the chapters end up being titled on the DVD/Bluray. I've already got the chapter time-codes, which is what I was waiting on to break up the film with the episodes.

 

[DIrishB]

So while watching CA-TWS, I noticed at date shown onscreen, at around the 43:14 mark, during the scene where Cap meets Pierce and Pierce shows him the feed of Batroc being interrogated. In the upper left hand corner of that video feed, the date is shown as 2013.10.12 (October 12, 2013).

So I'm going to use that as a firm date for placing CA-TWS, as well as the other AoS episodes. That will require ignoring the March calendar prop in AoS, but the films have to take precedence, even over the TV show. That'd have CA - TWS occurring between October 11 - 13/14, 2013.

That essentially also squeezes all of AoS Season 1 into the latter portion of 2013, from September to presumably December, maybe into January, 2014.

 

[DIrishB]

Alright, so wanted to get your guys' opinions on that date in CA-TWS. It places it in October, 2013, and is the only hard date given in the movie. The date also jibes with Cap mentioning he's 95 years old (having been born on July 4, 1918 ).

However, so does the dating of March, 2014 (backed up a little by the fact that even though the date on Fury's grave at the end is covered by flowers, the top of the last number does look like a "4", hence 2014).

Also, if I do go with the October 11-14, 2013 dating for CA-TWS, that means having to squeeze the first bunch of AoS episodes (up until the crossover episode that featured the aftermath of Thor-TDW) into September, as well as the intervening episodes up until episode 16, which occurs just before and during the first day of CA-TWS. And, Thor - TDW before it.

So that means (assuming we go with that date) AoS eps 1-7, Thor - TDW, and AoS eps 8-14 all likely occur in September, and AoS eps 15-16, CA-TWS, and AoS Ep 17 all occur within the first half of October.

Seems like an awful lot to pack into just a month and a half. It also requires ignoring the March wall decoration in AoS Ep 16 seen at the nursing home when Blake and May are attacked by Deathlok. Or, just keep it generally as it is.

I am inclined to go with the firm date used in CA-TWS, despite the squeezing everything into a month and a half. It ends up being crowded, but at least acknowledges the films, first and foremost. Weigh in, want to hear your opinions on this.

 

[DIrishB]

Ok, so I've got the chronological breakdown for CA-TWS and AoS Episodes 16-18 done.

Let me know what you think, if anything should be changed, etc.

I've got a far more detailed one with specific dates for all those entries if its decided to go with the October 11-14, 2013 dates for CA-TWS.

Also, regarding AoS Episode 16...

I had to split up Ep 16 and place (0:00:00 - 0:08:45) before the beginning of CA-TWS, as it should be based on the Lemurian Star mentions, Sitwell, etc.

Unfortunately, the AoS writers didn't seem to be paying attention to the fact the events of CA-TWS occur over a course of four days, and instead had the events that parallel the film only span two days, so I had to make a gap (unintended by the show's writers, but its the only way to line everything up) between the early part of Ep 16 so it'd make sense in terms of lining up the later stuff, under the presumption it took Skye a few days to write the computer code to narrow down the list of potential Clairvoyant suspects, and then program the relays for the three teams (Coulson and Garrett, May and Blake, and Ward and Triplett) that were following up.


Day 1 - Coulson and his team meet up with Victoria Hand, Agent Blake, Sitwell, and Garrett to discuss the Clairvoyant, Hand later informs Sitwell he's been called to the Lemurian Star

Cap meets Sam Wilson, goes on Lemurian Star mission with Natasha, reports to Fury and is shown the new helicarriers, goes to museum and to visit Peggy, Fury is attacked and goes to Cap's apartment where he's shot by Winter Soldier

Day 2 - Fury supposedly dies, Cap meets with Pierce and is attacked by Hydra sleeper agents in elevator, is labeled a fugitive, Cap and Natasha trace the flash drive to Camp Lehigh and discover Zola, where they're attacked by SHIELD, but escape

Day 3 - Cap and Natasha go to Sam Wilson's house, who offers to help them, they interrogate Jasper Sitwell, and are then attacked by Winter Soldier, and captured by SHIELD, but escape with help from Maria Hill, who leads them to Fury, meanwhile Pierce wipes Winter Soldier's memory

Meanwhile, the agents investigate the Clairvoyant leads, May and Blake encounter Deathlok who severely injures Blake, and track Deathlok to an abandoned dog track in Pensacola, FL, where they find a false Clairvoyant (red herring), and Ward shoots the fake, they return to their plane and the plane has it's course automatically changed by Hand to bring it to the Hub, since she believes Coulson to be the Clairvoyant

Day 4 - Coulson and his team assault the Hub, and battle the Hydra agents, they retake the Hub and capture Garrett, who revealed himself as the Clairvoyant

Cap, Falcon, Black Widow, and Maria Hill lead an attack on the Triskelion and prevent the helicarriers from linking with the satellite, Cap and Winter Soldier fight on the crashing helicarrier, Winter Soldier/Bucky saves Cap from drowning and disappears

Ward kills Hand and reveals himself to be a Hydra agent

Day ?? - Cap wakes up in hospital, Rumlow is brought to hospital horribly burned, Natasha testifies before a Congressional hearing about SHIELD/Hydra, Maria Hill applies for a job at Stark Industries, Agent 13/Sharon joins the CIA, Fury torches his trailer full of spy stuff and disappears, Cap and Falcon begin searching for Bucky

Mid-Credits Scene: Von Strucker reveals Hydra has Loki's staff and have empowered two individuals with superpowers with it--Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Post-Credits Scene: Bucky/Winter Soldier visits the Smithsonian and sees the display showing who he really was, verifying Cap's revelations to him

 

[Spoon_Wielder]

Day 1 - Coulson and his team meet up with Victoria Hand, Agent Blake, Sitwell, and Garrett to discuss the Clairvoyant, Hand later informs Sitwell he's been called to the Lemurian Star

Cap meets Sam Wilson, goes on Lemurian Star mission with Natasha, reports to Fury and is shown the new helicarriers, goes to museum and to visit Peggy, Fury is attacked and goes to Cap's apartment where he's shot by Winter Soldier

One could argue that if Sitwell boarded the Lemurian Star while it was docked, that it could take a few days for him to get out to sea. I don't remember where they were exactly, but it was right outside of that one World Security Council member's sovereign waters. That might clear up your 2 day gap there. However I don't remember if it was implied/mentioned he'd be flying out there. I'm just going by memory and speculating, you've just watched it all so I defer to you.

 

[DIrishB]

One could argue that if Sitwell boarded the Lemurian Star while it was docked, that it could take a few days for him to get out to sea. I don't remember where they were exactly, but it was right outside of that one World Security Council member's sovereign waters. That might clear up your 2 day gap there. However I don't remember if it was implied/mentioned he'd be flying out there. I'm just going by memory and speculating, you've just watched it all so I defer to you.

The Lemurian Star was in the Indian Ocean, when it was boarded by Cap and his team at the beginning of the film. You're right, it may have been docked off the coast of India or Australia or somewhere else when Sitwell boarded it, thus allowing for a few days in terms of travel. But the way the episodes play out, only a couple of days span eps 16-17 of AoS (the CA-TWS crossover), whereas CA-TWS itself spans at least four days, as I outlined above.

Thus, Sitwell leaving to go to the Lemurian Star on Day 1 (according to AoS Ep 16), Cap rescuing him and the other hostages on Day 1 (presumably), and then the big conflict with SHIELD and Hydra during Ep 17 of AoS and at the end of CA-TWS (Day 2 according to AoS, Day 4 according to CA-TWS) doesn't add up.

So Sitwell leaving for the ship in relation to the events of CA-TWS isn't the issue, the issue is that AoS didn't feature any noticeable time jump to allow for the other few days to pass to line up with CA-TWS's timeline.

Like I said, the best solution/personal retcon I could come up with while watching them was to assume Skye's programming of the hardware and software took a couple days, and it was just not shown onscreen. In reality, the TV show writers screwed up since they don't have someone like me, obsessed with chronology, comparing notes.

 

[JeffFernandez32]

I've been seeing old posts on this thread and I saw that you have wanted to see some comics that be rare, well i have search on the net and I''ve encountered 2 comics that I thing that be impossible to find:
The Incredible Hulk: The Big Picture -http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk:_The_Big_Picture
And Burger King Thor -http://kairisparda.tumblr.com/post/31486454766/thor-rare-comic

 

[DIrishB]

I've been seeing old posts on this thread and I saw that you have wanted to see some comics that be rare, well i have search on the net and I''ve encountered 2 comics that I thing that be impossible to find: The Incredible Hulk: The Big Picture -http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk:_The_Big_Picture And Burger King Thor -http://kairisparda.tumblr.com/post/31486454766/thor-rare-comic

Thanks for the links, Jeff.

I've read those before, and have a copy of The Incredible Hulk - The Big Picture motion comic DVD (it came with The Incredible Hulk DVD I'd bought at Wal-Mart).

Unfortunately, neither of those are canon to the MCU. They're considered "inspired by" canon, using the continuity and situations, appearance/designs, and characters of the MCU as their basis, but they're not considered an official or recognizes piece of MCU canon like the official MCU comics are (Fury's Big Week, Black Widow Strikes, etc).

This is a list of the officially recognized, canon MCU comics:


Captain America - The First Avenger: First Vengeance #1-4
Captain America - The First Avenger #1-2 (Film Adaptation)
Captain America - The Winter Soldier: Infinite #1
Iron Man - I Am Iron Man #1-2 (Film Adaptation)
Iron Man 2 #1-2 (Film Adaptation)
Iron Man 2 - Public Identity #1-3
Iron Man 2 - Agents of SHIELD #1
Iron Man 3 - Prelude #1-2
Thor #1-2 (Film Adaptation)
Thor - The Dark World: Prelude #1-2
The Avengers - Prelude: Fury's Big Week #1-4
The Avengers - Prelude: Black Widow Strikes #1-3
Guardians of the Galaxy - Prelude #1-2
Guardians of the Galaxy - Prequel Infinite #1
Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted #1
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bcqv8dLCIAEWZdv.jpg
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #1, "The Chase"


The Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted #1 comic may or may not be canon, as there's still been no official word from anyone at Marvel. Most of the official MCU canon comics will have the official Avengers red "'A' stamp" on the cover that reads "Marvel Cinematic Universe - Official Tie-In" like this:

The early canon comics (like Captain America - The First Avenger series) didn't feature the A stamp, but still featured the black letterbox cover and have been confirmed as canon by Will Corona Pilgrim, who oversees the MCU tie in comics. The fact he wrote Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted #1 is the only reason I'm classifying it as canon for now (along with the obvious movie-based character designs, etc).

There are a large number of movie-inspired comics that aren't canon, and were used in everything as just simple tie-in comics to advertising (like the Iron Man 3 Audi comic, the Thor Burger King comics you linked to, an Iron Man Norton anti-virus comic, etc). Then there were the earlier comics that were designed to fit into the MCU continuity (Iron Man - Fast Friends, Incredible Hulk - The Fury Files) but either retconned out or never considered to be in-continuity.

The same applies to the various MCU spin-off video games. None of those are canon.

Everything listed in the timeline itself (and handily check listed in the second post after the timeline) is canon.

 

[dsethlewis]

The early canon comics (like Captain America - The First Avenger series) didn't feature the A stamp, but still featured the black letterbox cover and have been confirmed as canon by Will Corona Pilgrim, who oversees the MCU tie in comics. The fact he wrote Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted #1 is the only reason I'm classifying it as canon for now (along with the obvious movie-based character designs, etc).

There are a large number of movie-inspired comics that aren't canon, and were used in everything as just simple tie-in comics to advertising (like the Iron Man 3 Audi comic, the Thor Burger King comics you linked to, an Iron Man Norton anti-virus comic, etc). Then there were the earlier comics that were designed to fit into the MCU continuity (Iron Man - Fast Friends, Incredible Hulk - The Fury Files) but either retconned out or never considered to be in-continuity.

I'm still surprised you're considering "The Chase" canon. It was made by Marvel Custom Solutions, which is basically an in-house ad agency. But whatever, we might as well keep it in there until Marvel inevitably forms a Holocron of their own and tells us what's in and what's out.

 

[wyokid]

I'm still surprised you're considering "The Chase" canon. It was made by Marvel Custom Solutions, which is basically an in-house ad agency. But whatever, we might as well keep it in there until Marvel inevitably forms a Holocron of their own and tells us what's in and what's out.

That's what I told him! Same thing with the Quesada picture lol

 

[DIrishB]

I'm still surprised you're considering "The Chase" canon. It was made by Marvel Custom Solutions, which is basically an in-house ad agency. But whatever, we might as well keep it in there until Marvel inevitably forms a Holocron of their own and tells us what's in and what's out.

That's what I told him! Same thing with the Quesada picture lol

And I've replied that that is probably the case, that they're not canon. The AoS thing is essentially just an advertisement for Lexus.

The one page comic probably isn't either, but until we're told for sure by someone at Marvel (like Will Corona Pilgrim, who unfortunately no longer seems to reply to such questions on his Twitter account), I feel it's best to leave them in just in case they are canon.

Again, the timeline is meant to be as complete, extensive, and inclusive as possible.

Agents of SHIELD - The Chase comic, the one page AoS comic, and Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted may or may not be canon. I'm not saying they are. I'm saying until we get a firm word either way they're included. If and when they're confirmed as being not canon, they're easy to remove.

 

[JeffFernandez32]

And the Captain America Homecomming comic that it uncannon?

 

[wyokid]

And I've replied that that is probably the case, that they're not canon. The AoS thing is essentially just an advertisement for Lexus.

The one page comic probably isn't either, but until we're told for sure by someone at Marvel (like Will Corona Pilgrim, who unfortunately no longer seems to reply to such questions on his Twitter account), I feel it's best to leave them in just in case they are canon.

Again, the timeline is meant to be as complete, extensive, and inclusive as possible.

Agents of SHIELD - The Chase comic, the one page AoS comic, and Guardians of the Galaxy - Galaxy's Most Wanted may or may not be canon. I'm not saying they are. I'm saying until we get a firm word either way they're included. If and when they're confirmed as being not canon, they're easy to remove.

There should at least be a notice that they may or may not be canon next to them.

And the Captain America Homecomming comic that it uncannon?

It is not canon, correct.

 

[DIrishB]

And the Captain America Homecomming comic that it uncannon?

Yeah, that's been confirmed as non-canon. However, the CA-The Winter Soldier: Infinite comic is canon.

There should at least be a notice that they may or may not be canon next to them.

That's unnecessary. If they're established as non-canon, they'll be removed.

 

[JeffFernandez32]

In The Incredible Hulk on the openning scene is showed that the date of the gamma ray experiment on culver university is happened in 2006 (this date is confirmed by Gen. Ross thats say that Banner is on run for 5 years) on a thursday in the same jornal page that in upside he is the date march 6th that is on your timeline. Well i believe that this date is when Gen. Ross have compiled all you archive about the Hulk. And in the same scene is showed that Banner tried contact with Betty in 02/07/2006 well is possible that the incident happened in January (Sorry for my English, i'm Brazilian)

 

[dsethlewis]

In The Incredible Hulk on the openning scene is showed that the date of the gamma ray experiment on culver university is happened in 2006 (this date is confirmed by Gen. Ross thats say that Banner is on run for 5 years) on a thursday in the same jornal page that in upside he is the date march 6th that is on your timeline. Well i believe that this date is when Gen. Ross have compiled all you archive about the Hulk. And in the same scene is showed that Banner tried contact with Betty in 02/07/2006 well is possible that the incident happened in January (Sorry for my English, i'm Brazilian)

I like the idea of breaking up the opening TIH montage where it shows dates on screen.

OK, I went through and got screen captures for every date. As you can see from the time markers from VLC, the montage either does not proceed chronologically or the dates it shows us are merely references to events/documents that do not necessarily correspond to the MCU-dates at which they're shown.

Not sure how to proceed. I'm looking forward to hearing DIB's thoughts.

 

[DIrishB]

In The Incredible Hulk on the openning scene is showed that the date of the gamma ray experiment on culver university is happened in 2006 (this date is confirmed by Gen. Ross thats say that Banner is on run for 5 years) on a thursday in the same jornal page that in upside he is the date march 6th that is on your timeline. Well i believe that this date is when Gen. Ross have compiled all you archive about the Hulk. And in the same scene is showed that Banner tried contact with Betty in 02/07/2006 well is possible that the incident happened in January (Sorry for my English, i'm Brazilian)

That date is February 7, 2006, presumably they're indicating that on that date Banner tried contacting Betty. There's no way to know when the report that establishes that (which presumably we're seeing in that portion of the opening scene) was written, but I think it's safe to say it was sometime very soon after Banner attempted the contact, probably a day or two at most.

See below for why I didn't break up the Incredible Hulk opening:

I like the idea of breaking up the opening TIH montage where it shows dates on screen. OK, I went through and got screen captures for every date. As you can see from the time markers from VLC, the montage either does not proceed chronologically or the dates it shows us are merely references to events/documents that do not necessarily correspond to the MCU-dates at which they're shown. Not sure how to proceed. I'm looking forward to hearing DIB's thoughts.

Ok, the reason I didn't break up the Incredible Hulk opening is for two main reasons.

First, the vast majority of the dates shown or events described are just government reports on Banner or newspaper clippings. They're not scenes which portray the actual events happening in real time. Therefore, there's no need to sequence the events for the chronology, since it's just a bunch of reports/newspaper clippings for the most part.

There are a few flashbacks, specifically to when Bruce tests the gamma radiation on himself, and when he first turns into the Hulk as a result and Betty ends up in the hospital. However, I view them as just flashbacks of Banner's, since if I recall correctly the film opens with him being trained on how to control his emotions, as well as self defense. I'll have to watch it again to be sure.

But that why I didn't break up the opening. It's a mixture of reports and flashbacks. It wouldn't really make sense to break it up into little 2-4 second sections that feature a report that may have been written who knows how long after the events they describe? Even if written relatively soon afterward, they're still just reports of a past event, not a live action portrayal of the event in regards to the reports. However, the flashbacks are, so those could be broken up and placed in 2006.

I'm on vacation until the end of next week so don't have access to my copy of IH, but once I get home I'll watch the opening to see if it'll work.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I'm also in favor of putting an ** by the comics that may or may not be MCU cannon. I'm always in favor of informing the reader.