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[DIrishB]

I'm pretty sure they said the whole season would be one mission so she only has to do that once. I doubt they'll do that anyway since it was already done. My focus wasn't on her going on the mission behind their back anyway, my focus was on her proving that she could play the boys' game better.

But she's already proved that with her actions in CA-TFA and the One Shot. I know the pig-headed men of the day don't realize it, but the audience certainly does. So I'm not sure why we need to cover ground that's already been covered plenty already.

Which is why I said season two.

And which is why I said if this is the approach they're taking to Season 1 its completely unnecessary. All of that has already been established for the audience. Lets move into new ground with Season 1, not repeat whats already been covered in the CA-TFA film and the One Shot with Season 1. That seems ridiculous.

 

[wyokid]

But she's already proved that with her actions in CA-TFA and the One Shot. I know the pig-headed men of the day don't realize it, but the audience certainly does. So I'm not sure why we need to cover ground that's already been covered plenty already.

1. The one-shot hasn't happened yet.
2. Women proved capable in WWII and were sent right back to the kitchen after the war had ended. Her still being put on the bench is INCREDIBLY relevant.

And which is why I said if this is the approach they're taking to Season 1 its completely unnecessary. All of that has already been established for the audience. Lets move into new ground with Season 1, not repeat whats already been covered in the CA-TFA film and the One Shot with Season 1. That seems ridiculous.

And who says they won't? We have no idea what is coming outside of it focusing on women in the 1940s and a couple of other smaller stuff. I hope the bad guy is Zemo and that Zola shows up. There's a lot of classic Captain America stories you can tell in 1940s that Peggy would do well in.

 

[DIrishB]

1. The one-shot hasn't happened yet.
2. Women proved capable in WWII and were sent right back to the kitchen after the war had ended. Her still being put on the bench is INCREDIBLY relevant.

I understand that. And while the One Shot hasn't happened yet chronologically speaking in the universe, it certainly has for the audience who'll be watching the show. And I never said it wasn't relevant, I said its already been covered by the One Shot and Cap 1.

And who says they won't? We have no idea what is coming outside of it focusing on women in the 1940s and a couple of other smaller stuff. I hope the bad guy is Zemo and that Zola shows up. There's a lot of classic Captain America stories you can tell in 1940s that Peggy would do well in.

Its hard to believe Peggy will be going up against Zola or Zemo or other old school Marvel villains and then go right back to filing paperwork to set up the One shot. Think bigger picture, man. And that's sort of my point. We already sort of have the "ending" of the series in the One Shot, essentially. It makes what comes before less interesting by default since we know how she'll end up.

 

[wyokid]

What do you have against strong women DIB? But seriously, I know for a fact that I'm not the only one craving for more of that.

Well then who? They've said she's fighting a Marvel villain.

 

[DIrishB]

What do you have against strong women DIB? But seriously, I know for a fact that I'm not the only one craving for more of that.

I love strong women. I just don't like recycled storylines and themes. I want to see Peggy getting SHIELD started. I don't need to see more of her doing what she already did in Agent Carter and CA-TFA. It's already been done. I'd like to see some progress regarding the character, not more of the same.

Why are you having so much trouble understanding that?

Well then who? They've said she's fighting a Marvel villain.

Do you actually read my posts or just glance over them? I said I'd find it hard to believe she'd go up against Zola or Zemo and go right back to filing paperwork, not that I find it hard to believe she'd be going up against them.

 

[wyokid]

I love strong women. I just don't like recycled storylines and themes. I want to see Peggy getting SHIELD started. I don't need to see more of her doing what she already did in Agent Carter and CA-TFA. It's already been done. I'd like to see some progress regarding the character, not more of the same.

Why are you having so much trouble understanding that?

And they've already said that there will be. In fact, in an interview Hayley Atwell said that was her favorite part of the character. I don't understand why it still can't have it since it's a major part of that time period. You praise Nolan for realism but it's bad here?

Do you actually read my posts or just glance over them? I said I'd find it hard to believe she'd go up against Zola or Zemo and go right back to filing paperwork, not that I find it hard to believe she'd be going up against them.

I was saying that since you didn't like those ideas who would you like to see.

 

[DIrishB]

And they've already said that there will be. In fact, in an interview Hayley Atwell said that was her favorite part of the character. I don't understand why it still can't have it since it's a major part of that time period. You praise Nolan for realism but it's bad here?

You're just being intentionally obtuse. I've said it a dozen times and you still refuse to let it sink in. I want to see plot advancement and plot and character development we haven't already seen. Peggy being unfairly treated as second fiddle to inept male colleagues we've already seen in the One Shot. Her doing in the series what was already done in the One Shot offers none of that. It's recycled a plot line. How do you not understand that?

I was saying that since you didn't like those ideas who would you like to see.

I never said I don't like the idea of Zola or Zemo showing up! I said I didn't like the idea of Peggy facing such major threats secretly, without her boss's knowledge, then going back to filing paperwork, since it doesn't offer any advancement for the character in terms of her position.

 

[wyokid]

You're just being intentionally obtuse. I've said it a dozen times and you still refuse to let it sink in. I want to see plot advancement and plot and character development we haven't already seen. Peggy being unfairly treated as second fiddle to inept male colleagues we've already seen in the One Shot. Her doing in the series what was already done in the One Shot offers none of that. It's recycled a plot line. How do you not understand that?

I'm not being anything. It's already been confirmed that she will have development as a character. What I am asking is why can we not have both?

I never said I don't like the idea of Zola or Zemo showing up! I said I didn't like the idea of Peggy facing such major threats secretly, without her boss's knowledge, then going back to filing paperwork, since it doesn't offer any advancement for the character in terms of her position.

That didn't answer my question. I don't get why you're jumping around it. I'm trying to have a friendly conversation here and you're not answering.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm not being anything. It's already been confirmed that she will have development as a character. What I am asking is why can we not have both?

How many times do I need to answer the question?

That didn't answer my question. I don't get why you're jumping around it. I'm trying to have a friendly conversation here and you're not answering.

I'm not jumping around anything. Cut the crap. I've answered every question you've asked. You somehow keep misinterpreting my answers. I have no problem with Peggy facing Zola or Zemo or any number of other 1940's era Marvel villains. I have a problem with her facing them and then being stuck in an office. It's been done. It was charming in the One-Shot. It'll be boring, has-been, and unimaginative to do it again in the show. How are you not getting this?

 

[wyokid]

I've answered every question you've asked.

You didn't answer this one

Well then who? They've said she's fighting a Marvel villain.

I am asking who you would like to see her face. That's all I've been trying to ask man

 

[DIrishB]

You didn't answer this one I am asking who you would like to see her face. That's all I've been trying to ask man

It doesn't really matter. Zola is a prisoner of the Allies at the point the series will take place, having been captured in CA-TFA, so he's kind of off the board unless he escapes and then is recaptured to set up the his "appearance" in CA-TWS. Baron Von Strucker appears in the mid credits scene of CA-TWS, so he's off the board as well for the 1940's time period Agent Carter takes place in.

So Zemo is probably the best choice. Though I'd like to see Zemo kind of have a Thanos-like, hands off role, pulling the strings of subordinates like Viper/Madame Hydra, who'd be a great villain for Peggy to face directly, and offer a counterpoint to the sexist approach of SSR at the time, notably Viper being a high-ranking Hydra agent in command of thousands of Hydra male agents/troops. It could serve as a sort of focal point for Peggy to say "enough of this sexist, second class crap" she's facing in the SSR.

 

[wyokid]

It doesn't really matter. Zola is a prisoner of the Allies at the point the series will take place, having been captured in CA-TFA, so he's kind of off the board unless he escapes and then is recaptured to set up the his "appearance" in CA-TWS. Baron Von Strucker appears in the mid credits scene of CA-TWS, so he's off the board as well for the 1940's time period Agent Carter takes place in.

It'd be neat if Zola showed up as a Hannibal Lecter to Peggy's Clarice. Maybe in season two have him part of the main cast as a scientist.

So Zemo is probably the best choice. Though I'd like to see Zemo kind of have a Thanos-like, hands off role, pulling the strings of subordinates like Viper/Madame Hydra, who'd be a great villain for Peggy to face directly, and offer a counterpoint to the sexist approach of SSR at the time, notably Viper being a high-ranking Hydra agent in command of thousands of Hydra male agents/troops. It could serve as a sort of focal point for Peggy to say "enough of this sexist, second class crap" she's facing in the SSR.

Does Marvel even own Madame Hydra? Viper was in The Wolverine. I like the idea, just don't know if they can legally do it.

 

[DIrishB]

It'd be neat if Zola showed up as a Hannibal Lecter to Peggy's Clarice. Maybe in season two have him part of the main cast as a scientist.

I don't think that dynamic fits at all. Zola, while intelligent, certainly isn't capable of the mind manipulation genius that Lecter was. Peggy is also less impressionable and not prone to manipulation compared to Clarice. I would be surprised if Zola doesn't make an appearance at some point.

Does Marvel even own Madame Hydra? Viper was in The Wolverine. I like the idea, just don't know if they can legally do it.

Good question. I honestly have no idea. The various film rights to all the Marvel characters is such a headache. That's really the one area that WB/DC have an advantage in: they own the film rights to all their characters.

 

[wyokid]

I don't think that dynamic fits at all. Zola, while intelligent, certainly isn't capable of the mind manipulation genius that Lecter was. Peggy is also less impressionable and not prone to manipulation compared to Clarice. I would be surprised if Zola doesn't make an appearance at some point.

I was more referring to her going to him for help in catching Buffalo Bill.

Good question. I honestly have no idea. The various film rights to all the Marvel characters is such a headache. That's really the one area that WB/DC have an advantage in: they own the film rights to all their characters.

True, it's too bad they don't seem to want to use them.

 

[DIrishB]

I was more referring to her going to him for help in catching Buffalo Bill.

I guess, but again, already been done in CA-TFA. What's with you loving those recycled ideas?

True, it's too bad they don't seem to want to use them.

I think it time they'll figure it out. DC/WB's biggest disadvantage is they don't have a Kevin Feige of their own. Instead they have. Zach Snyder and David Goyer. Feige knows the Marvel comics history, knows the characters, knows which stories from the comics to adapt, how to portray the characters, how to cast the characters (brilliantly overall), how to choose the best directors (even unexpectedly like with the Russo brothers), how to take chances (Guardians of the Galaxy as most recent, but even as far back as the first Iron Man... that was a huge gamble), and overall how to put a team together and oversee the crafting of reliably entertaining and quality films, that all work individually but add up to a much larger and awesome whole.

And WB/DC have Snyder and Goyer.

*sigh*

Now, that said, once the dollars start rolling in from Batman v Superman (which will make tons of money even if somehow it ends up being the worst film ever made), WB will likely be more willing to take chances. If they're smart they'll pay attention to Marvel's approach. They don't need to, nor should they, mimic it exactly, but they should definitely take notes. If they don't think a Wonder Woman film will work, they're wrong. They just haven't put in the effort to find a good script, find the right director, and make the right movie.

I'm hoping by the time Justice League releases they'll have announced their film plans through 2020 and have some notable surprises and risky moves among them.

 

[wyokid]

I guess, but again, already been done in CA-TFA. What's with you loving those recycled ideas?

I liked what I saw and want a more fleshed out version of it. Reusing ideas doesn't bother me...usually.

I think it time they'll figure it out. DC/WB's biggest disadvantage is they don't have a Kevin Feige of their own. Instead they have. Zach Snyder and David Goyer. Feige knows the Marvel comics history, knows the characters, knows which stories from the comics to adapt, how to portray the characters, how to cast the characters (brilliantly overall), how to choose the best directors (even unexpectedly like with the Russo brothers), how to take chances (Guardians of the Galaxy as most recent, but even as far back as the first Iron Man... that was a huge gamble), and overall how to put a team together and oversee the crafting of reliably entertaining and quality films, that all work individually but add up to a much larger and awesome whole.

And WB/DC have Snyder and Goyer.

*sigh*

Now, that said, once the dollars start rolling in from Batman v Superman (which will make tons of money even if somehow it ends up being the worst film ever made), WB will likely be more willing to take chances. If they're smart they'll pay attention to Marvel's approach. They don't need to, nor should they, mimic it exactly, but they should definitely take notes. If they don't think a Wonder Woman film will work, they're wrong. They just haven't put in the effort to find a good script, find the right director, and make the right movie.

I'm hoping by the time Justice League releases they'll have announced their film plans through 2020 and have some notable surprises and risky moves among them.

I'm not even sure they have Goyer anymore. The way Goyer's been talking about DC's property. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being hopeful. I do feel like Marvel will NEVER EVER hire him again as well.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm not even sure they have Goyer anymore. The way Goyer's been talking about DC's property. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being hopeful. I do feel like Marvel will NEVER EVER hire him again as well.

When did Marvel hire Goyer? I honestly don't know.

 

[wyokid]

When did Marvel hire Goyer? I honestly don't know.

He wrote the Blade films (he directed the third one), Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (the Crank guys came in and rewrote his script), Blade: The Series, and Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD.

 

[DIrishB]

He wrote the Blade films (he directed the third one), Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (the Crank guys came in and rewrote his script), Blade: The Series, and Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD.

The only worthwhile one out of all of those is Blade II. The first Blade was meh, Blade III was lame. Blade - The Series I never watched but also never heard anything good about it. Ghost Rider - Spirit of Vengeance was an abomination of horribleness, but the Crank guys can be blamed for that I suppose. And Nick Fury - AoS? Jesus.

 

[wyokid]

The only worthwhile one out of all of those is Blade II. The first Blade was meh, Blade III was lame. Blade - The Series I never watched but also never heard anything good about it. Ghost Rider - Spirit of Vengeance was an abomination of horribleness, but the Crank guys can be blamed for that I suppose. And Nick Fury - AoS? Jesus.

That's because it was del Toro. The series was bad (surprisingly Geoff Johns was a writer on it), but it had references to Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night which was pretty much the only cool thing about it. I really liked the second Ghost Rider. I loved the Crank movies and liked how they fueled that into Ghost Rider and, unlike the first film, really let Nic Cage go wild. It wasn't good by any means but I like it. Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD is deliciously campy but apparently Goyer says his script got massively changed (I'm not buying it). Man, I really hope Marvel uses Blade and Ghost Rider after Doctor Strange.