I saw this yesterday, and it's interesting enough at first, but then you keep reading and it sort of just falls apart the longer it goes on. No more than a fan theory.
On the Spider-Man: Homecoming Blu Ray, there are two special features that could possibly be canon. Midtown News: Final Segment and Mr. Harrington: Lessons In Love. Check em out and let me know.
I've seen those; they seem a little like deleted scenes/background material dressed up as standalone bits, so they're a little different from a regular "deleted scene". There's also this pop-up video for Trish Walker's "Cray Cray" that's in-universe and seems to date from her hayday.
Regarding the Wakanda Civil War credits scene, we didn't really see it as a mistake, because there's numerous potential explanations. For example, the comic seems to imply that in the "weeks" since Civil War, they have been trying to come up with a solution for Bucky but haven't found something yet, and have come to the conclusion that for now, the best option is to freeze him. So, in Black Panther, either Bucky has already arrived in Wakanda and Shuri has been trying to come up with a solution, or she's been told about Bucky and that she'll be having to work on him. With the beginning of the film seemingly - and as synopses have said - being T'Challa's first return to Wakanda after his father's death, and the comic saying "weeks later", we decided that it should place after the film, and not before or during the first half.
Also, on my second viewing, I too caught the 10:24 in Fury's car. I didn't catch the clock in Scotland - I can see where it is, from going to that scene on an online version - it's immediately after the Q-ship in Edinburgh flies away. But the angle is very hard to see, and the online versions have the clock-face looking too bright.
Something else that I noticed this time, which weirdly, I hadn't thought of before, was specifics about Thor's hair. It's almost exactly the same as in Ragnarok, including the streaks on the side of his head from Stan Lee's bad haircutting skills. This would also suggest it's been very little time since the events of the film. It's possible that Asgardian hair grows slower than humans, but yeah, just another point there.
I've been doing time zone working and working out the rough timings for all the Infinity War and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. scenes to see how it fits together and where the divides are between days.
The Episode 20 notes are not particularly firmly timed, because there is no next milestone to match it with, like a sunrise to stretch the night's events across - it's just working forwards from the previous timings.
Also, the timings come from an assumption of January 10th-11th, considering it doesn't seem like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. can be later than early January. With Tony's phone saying it's Wednesday, and the S.H.I.E.L.D. events picking up a few days prior in early January, then the earliest it can be is January 10th. So that's the date I used for the timings, with it being the only date I can see working - plus, it's closer to Ragnarok. The sunrise and sunset times would be slightly different depending on the time of year, though, if it were a bit later than January 10th-11th.
But here's the results:
WEDNESDAY
•13:05-12 - The Statesman. ---As late as possible so that Thor is floating through space for the minimum time possible. Hulk is sent off about 2 minutes before the end of the scene, and that is at least 2 minutes before "Thanos is coming."
•13:12 - "Thanos is coming." ---As late as possible so that Thor is floating through space for the minimum time possible. At least 2 minutes after Hulk was sent from The Statesman. At least 5 minutes before they talk to Tony and Pepper, because Bruce has to get changed.
•13:16-17 - Pepper and Tony. ---As late as possible so that Thor is floating through space for the minimum time possible. At least 4-5 minutes after "Thanos is coming." At least 2-3 minutes before the discussion in the Sanctum.
•13:19-21 - The discussion in the Sanctum. ---13:21 - Tony checks the phone. The Q-ship arrives.
•"WED" "01:21PM" shown on phone. So as late as possible, the film begins at 13:05.
•13:22-41 - Attack on Greenwich Village. Tony and Peter end up on the ship.
•13:42 - Bruce calls Steve. ---"01:42PM" shown on phone.
•13:42 - The Guardians pick up Thor. ---Immediately after so as to minimise the time since The Statesman exploded.
•13:50 - Thor wakes and tells them everything that happened.
•14:10/19:10 Scotland (or 15:45/20:45 Scotland) - Scotland bedroom. ---Now things get problematic, and it's all because the Avengers Facility scene is shown to be daytime, when it should be night. ---The birds are cheeping when they return to the New Avengers Facility, suggesting it's the morning, which would mean it's after the 07:19 sunrise - earliest possible 07:25. However, the problem there is that the flight after that from New York to Wakanda (which, from the map in Civil War, is by Lake Turkana, Kenya) is about 7094.589 miles. Quinjet top speeds have been calculated to be about 1600mph - which happens to match the comics' Quinjet top speed of Mach 2.1, which is 1611.27mph. 7094.589 miles/1611.27mph = a 4:24 flight. Even at the dangerous absolute top speed of about 2000mph from The Team, 7094.589 miles/2000mph = 3:33 flight. Including time to get up to top speed, there is absolutely no way the jet is getting to Wakanda before 11:05 New York time, which would be 18:05 Wakanda time - with Wakanda's sunset being 18:46. If they went at absolute top speed and the Wakanda events happened as fast as absolutely possible, you could just about, juuusssttt squeeze the Wakanda events in before sunset, finishing no later than 18:40, 11:40 New York. However, Fury's car in the credits scene says "10:24", and the scene was shot in Atlanta. This would suggest that the scene takes place 10:24 east coast, so 17:24 Wakanda time - but that's before the earliest time that they could possibly have even arrived in Wakanda. Even if it's another time zone and not Atlanta, which would be odd because it looks like Atlanta, it is still a :24, meaning the latest it can be is 11:24 east coast, 18:24 Wakanda, and there's just no way that all the Wakanda events take place in 19 minutes between arrival and the snap - especially with that already assuming that the Avengers went dangerously fast to get to Wakanda already. More likely than it being not Atlanta is the car clock being wrong, but then we're back to still pushing it with 11:40. Also, with it being night in Scotland, if it is morning in New York when they arrive, they must have delayed for several hours before getting back, despite the scene showing Steve directing them "home" (the facility), straight there. ---So, OK, what if the New Avengers Facility scene is actually still on the Wednesday, just before sunset? Sunset is 16:47, so realistically, the latest this can be is 16:40. Well, that wouldn't really make sense with the birds tweeting, but that's not particularly bad - can it fit in otherwise? From Edinburgh Waverley station to New York is about 3262.368 miles. 3262.368 miles/1611.27mph maximum is a 2:01 flight + a few minutes of speeding up and slowing down, which would mean that the latest they could have left Scotland really is 14:35 New York/19:35 Scotland, to get there by 16:40. So, Steve and co. got there by 14:30, arriving in Wakanda about 48 minutes after Bruce called at 13:42. If they got on the jet immediately, it's a 45-minute journey. 0.75 hours*1611.27mph = 1208.4525 miles maximum that they could have been from Edinburgh. The majority of Europe is within that radius, so if they were in Europe at the time of being called, that works - especially with them mentioning that the plan was always for Vision and Scarlet Witch to stay nearby. And then that allows for the finale to fit comfortably before 10:42 and before the Wakanda sunset. However, Bwdelano says that the clock-face shown at an angle behind Steve after the fight in Edinburgh Waverley station (specifically the shot after you see the Q-ship leave) looks like it might read as 9:10. I didn't catch it myself, it was too fast, and online versions are too unfocused to see any hands. This would make it 21:10, so 16:10 New York, and therefore they cannot get back to the facility before sunset, so it would have to be the next morning. However, apart from the implication from the bird noises and the possible clock-face, this way around works. It also works better for Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight only just turning up, being pretty soon after New York is attacked rather than several hours, as well as the fact that the news is showing the New York events as "breaking news". This also means that the jet can simply go straight back to the facility from Scotland, which makes more sense. And, if the facility scene is that afternoon instead of the next morning, that would also make more sense for the Q-ship Doctor Strange scenes which pick up afterwards - it would allow those scenes to be more like 11 hours after Tony and Peter got on-board, instead of about 19. It seems like Tony and Peter haven't been on-board very long when Tony realises Peter's still there, so the less time the better. ---The third option is that the film actually lasts not 21.5 hours, but 45.5 hours. So the facility scene would be the following morning of the Thursday, but then the Wakanda events are the morning after that, the Friday. This seems unlikely since it would mean that Strange, Tony, and Peter don't eat or drink for 2 days as they travel, and generally doesn't fit with the feel of the film. This possibility though comes down to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the end. If the events of the last 2 episodes carry through to the next morning and coincide with the end of the film, then it's just 21.5 hours. If they spend a whole day still fine, with the end of the film having not occurred yet by next afternoon, then the film lasts 45.5 hours. ---For now though, I'm assuming that the facility scene is 16:40 on the Wednesday, as this is currently the most-supported option, but will put the other options up as well in case. ---So, this scene, about 25 minutes before the fighting ends at 14:35 New York/19:35 Scotland, would be about 14:10 New York/19:10 Scotland.
•14:30-35/19:30-35 Scotland (or 16:05-10/21:05-10 Scotland) - Edinburgh fight.
•15:17 (or 21:15) - Gamora asks Peter to kill her if Thanos gets her. Drax thinks he's mastered being invisible. ---Two scenes between 14:35 and 16:40, so 16:40 - 14:35 = 2:05. 2:05/3 = 0:41.66667. 14:35 + 0:41.66667 = 15:16.66667, 15:17. ---Otherwise, two scenes between 16:10 and 07:25, so Thursday 07:25 - Wednesday 16:10 = 15:15. 15:15/3 = 5:05. 16:10 + 5:05 = 21:15.
•15:58 (or Thursday 02:20) - Knowhere. ---15:16.66667 + 0:41.66667 = 15:58.33333, 15:58. ---Otherwise, 21:15 + 5:05 = 02:20.
•16:40 (or Thursday 07:25) - The facility. ---As explained, either 16:40 or Thursday 07:25.
•23:45/06:45 Wakanda (or Thursday 07:47/14:47 Wakanda, or Thursday 10:02/17:02 Wakanda) - Wakanda. Bucky gets his new arm. ---If you were to distribute the scenes between the facility and the arrival in Wakanda, this would be soon after the facility scene. However, by 16:40 New York, we're at 23:40 Wakanda, which is way after sunset. Sunrise in Wakanda is 06:34, so 23:34 New York, so the earliest this scene can be - placing it as early as possible - is 23:45/06:45 New York. ---If the facility is 07:25, then we're already just distributing the scenes between this and the next time-allocated scene, when they arrive in Wakanda at 11:05ish absolute earliest. So 9 scenes between 07:25 and 11:05. 11:05 - 07:25 = 3:40. 3:40/10 = 0:22. 07:25 + 0:22 = 07:47. ---Or, if the film spans 45.5 hours, then we're looking at 07:25 on the Thursday to 09:30 on the Friday. So 10 scenes between Thursday 07:25 and Friday 09:30. Friday 09:30 - Thursday 07:25 = 26:05. 26:05/10 = 2:36.5. 07:25 + 2:36.5 = 10:01.5, 10:02.
THURSDAY
•00:50 (or 08:09, or 12:38 ) - Ebony Maw tortures Strange. Peter reveals he's still there. Using the vaccuum. They decide to let the ship go to Titan. ---8 scenes between 23:45 and 09:30 (which is the natural time for their arrival in Wakanda if you work back from 10:24). 09:30 - 23:45 = 9:45. 9:45/9 = 1:05. 23:45 + 1:05 = 00:50. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 07:47 + 0:22 = 08:09. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 10:01.5 + 2:36.5 = 12:38.
•01:55 (or 08:31, or 15:15) - Gamora says she hated her life. Thanos reveals he is torturing Nebula, until Gamora tells him the Soul Stone is on Vormir.----MIDDLE OF THE FILM---- ---00:50 + 1:05 = 01:55. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 08:09 + 0:22 = 08:31. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 12:38 + 2:36.5 = 15:14.5, 15:15.
•03:00 (or 08:53, or 17:51) - Thor laments everything he's lost. Rocket gives him a new cybernetic eye. They arrive in Nidavellir and meet Eitri. ---01:55 + 1:05 = 03:00. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 08:31 + 0:22 = 08:53. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 15:14.5 + 2:36.5 = 17:51.
•04:05 (or 09:15, or 20:28 ) - Nebula escapes and contacts Mantis. ---03:00 + 1:05 = 04:05. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 08:53 + 0:22 = 09:15. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 17:51 + 2:36.5 = 20:27.5, 20:28.
•05:10 (or 09:37, or 23:04) - The Q-ship crashes on Titan. The Guardians meet Tony, Peter, and Strange. ---04:05 + 1:05 = 05:10. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 09:15 + 0:22 = 09:37. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 20:27.5 + 2:36.5 = 23:04.
•06:15 (or 09:59, or Friday 01:41) - Eitri shows them the mould for Stormbreaker. ---05:10 + 1:05 = 06:15. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 09:37 + 0:22 = 09:59. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 23:04 + 2:36.5 = 01:40.5, 01:41.
•07:20 (or 10:21, or Friday 04:17) - The two teams on Titan discuss plans. "Kick names, take ass." Strange returns from seeing 14 million futures. ---06:15 + 1:05 = 07:20. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 09:59 + 0:22 = 10:21. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 01:40.5 + 2:36.5 = 04:17.
•08:25 (or 10:43, or Friday 06:54) - Vormir. ---07:20 + 1:05 = 08:25. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25, then 10:21 + 0:22 = 10:43. ---Or, if the facility is 07:25 and the film spans 45.5 hours, then 04:17 + 2:36.5 = 06:53.5, 06:54.
•09:30 (or 11:05, or same time on the Friday) - Arriving in Wakanda.
•09:40-09:45 (or 11:08, or same time on the Friday) - Shuri and Banner. The Outrider ships begin to crash down.
•09:57-10:02 (or 11:12-17, or same time on the Friday) - Thor uses Rocket's ship to start moving the rings of Nidavellir. The forge starts up but then breaks.
•09:57-10:05 (or 11:12-20, or same time on the Friday) - The group prepare in Wakanda. Cull Obsidian and Proxima Midnight approach. The Outriders are unleashed. Charge.
•10:05-10:08 (or 11:18-21, or same time on the Friday) - Thor holds the forge. Stormbreaker is forged. Groot makes the handle.
•10:10-10:12 (or 11:21-23, or same time on the Friday) - The battle continues. Thor arrives.
•10:12-10:19 (or 11:22-29, or same time on the Friday) - Thanos gets to Titan. Strange greets him. The group all attack. They try to get the gauntlet off, but Star-Lord loses control. Thanos throws the moon at them.
•10:14-10:19 (or 11:24-29, or same time on the Friday) - Rocket and Bucky team up. Steve talks to Thor and Groot. The underground mining vehicles erupt from the ground. Wanda goes to the battlefield but Corvus Glaive then attacks Shuri. Hulkbuster fights Cull Obsidian. Vision and Steve fight Corvus Glaive. The women fight Proxima Midnight and Scarlet Witch kills her. Vision kills Corvus Glaive.
•10:19-10:23 (or 11:29-33, or same time on the Friday) - Spider-Man grabs the Guardians as the moon crashes down on them. Strange takes on Thanos. Thanos attacks Iron Man, who does everything he can to fight back. Thanos stabs Tony, and Strange gives Thanos the stone in return for sparing Tony.
•10:23 (or 11:31, or same time on the Friday) - Thor continues to fight. Vision senses Thanos coming. The team all fail against Thanos. Vision tells Wanda to destroy the stone, and she does. Nonetheless, Thanos reverses Vision and takes the stone. Thor hurls the axe, but Thanos survives.
•10:24/17:24 (or 11:32, or same time on the Friday) - The snap.
•10:24-25/17:24-25 (or 11:32-33, or same time on the Friday) - People disappear. Credits scene. ---"10:24" shown in Fury's car.
And the time zones for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.:
SATURDAY
•Events of Episode 14.
[Episode 15]
•Coulson is shown his room.
SUNDAY
•Coulson is given the cereal/Ruby ploy.
•Coulson is told about Ruby being Hale's daughter.
•Coulson is shown the Confederacy machine.
•Coulson meets Qovas.
•Coulson reveals he killed Whitehall.
•Hale reveals that Ruby was designed for the project. However, she suggests Daisy.
•Coulson reveals that he saw the outcome when he and his team were in the future.
•Ruby asks Coulson how she failed, but he reveals that it wasn't her who was the Destroyer of Worlds.
•Ruby shows Coulson what has happened to Talbot.
MONDAY
•The team work out Hale is Hydra.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 15----
•May visits Fitz.
•Mack and Jemma operate to give Yo-Yo her new arms.
•May and Daisy talk to Fitz. Daisy is angry.
•Daisy goes to contact the Hintons.
•Simmons reveals that Deke is their grandson, and tells him she feels they are invincible.
TUESDAY
[Episode 16]
•07:40 - Coulson is in isolation. ---Daytime Appalachian Mountains. Sunrise 07:33. Has to be right after and time has to be absolutely minismised to make this fit, as will be explained.
•07:41 - Hale offers Creel the new material. Ruby asks her mother what she is doing. Coulson has been in isolation for 2 days.
•07:43 - Creel touches the gravitonium.
•07:43 - Yo-Yo tests her new arms.
•07:43 - Fitz is unimpressed with Deke.
•07:45 - Simmons asks Deke about whether she and Fitz survive, and he confirms it.
•07:47 - Zephyr One is leaving to pick up Robin.
•07:53 - Simmons questions Yo-Yo about her feeling that she can't die. Simmons says that Deke is their proof that she and Fitz will also survive, and she promises to get Fitz out.
•07:59 - Hale talks to Creel. Creel is going mad with the noises in his head.
•08:05 - The Retreat. Picking up Robin. ---Daytime, so after 07:19ish. Minimum time since the Zephyr left at 07:47.
•08:18 - Ruby visits Strucker, who says he's close.
•08:18 - 5 minutes out from the Zephyr One. Robin's not helping Daisy. ---Daytime, so after 07:19ish. Minimum time since the Quinjet picked up Robin at 08:00.
•08:18 - Mack is frustrated with Yo-Yo, who wants him to let Fitz out.
•08:18 - Creel can't sleep. He goes to Coulson. ---Earliest possible, still 08:18.
•08:21 - Creel says the gravitonium wants Coulson dead. Coulson tells him what's happened to
Talbot, and Creel takes out the guard and takes Coulson to where he thinks Talbot might be and see if he's telling the truth. ---Earliest possible, 08:16.
•08:23 - Polly wonders what Robin's last drawing meant.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 16---- ---Docking, so 5 minutes after 08:13.
•08:24 - Robin sees May and calls her "Mom". ---Daytime, so before 16:45ish.
•08:24 - They find Talbot.
•08:24 - Simmons and Yo-Yo pull the stunt on Mack.
•08:26 - Yo-Yo accidentally sets off the gun.
•08:26 - May and Robin talk. Robin had stopped drawing. She says Coulson will die. She draws Coulson in a mountain range.
•08:27 - Deke wants sympathy from Daisy.
•08:27 - Creel is going mad as they try to escape. A mech hears them.
•08:28 - An alarm is set off. Hale sends Ruby after them.
•08:28 - The Invincible Three go to the closest location. ---As early as possible, 08:28.
•08:29 - As the alarm goes off, the trio are attack. Coulson's heart stops, but Creel revives him.
•08:30 - Ruby arrives with mechs and they pursue the trio.
•09:12 - May and Polly talk. Robin still wants Polly. There are two scenes between 08:30 and the Invincible Three arriving in Herefordshire. That needs to be as early as possible because very little time has passed for Coulson and Talbot and it has to be as early as possible to still be daytime in Herefordshire by just before the end of the episode. 3378.303 miles, and the top speed of a Quinjet is Mach 2.1 (it can go slightly faster, up to 2000mph in extreme urgency when they need the risky speeds, like in The Team, but otherwise, the top speed is 1611.27mph). 3378.303 miles/1611.27mph = 2:06 flight at top speed, + a few minutes to get up to top speed, so absolute minimum 2:09. They get to Herefordshire at 08:28 + 2:09 = 10:37. 10:37-08:30 = 2:07. 2:07/3 = 0:42.33333, so 08:30 + 0:42.33333 = 09:12.33333. 09:12.
•09:54 - Pinned down. ---Second block of scenes, 09:12.33333 + 0:42.33333 = 09:54.66667. 09:54-09:55.
•09:55 - Escape with the teleport machine.
•09:55 - Creel and Ruby fight. Ruby throws a chakram at Creel, who wedges it in his chest, made of wood. Hale sends Ruby after Coulson and Talbot.
•09:55 - Coulson and Tlabot arrive in the snow.
[Episode 17]
•10:37/15:37 Herefordshire - Herefordshire, skydiving. ---No more than 2½ hours ago it was still daytime in the U.S., which means it is morning U.S./afternoon U.K., not night U.S./morning U.K.. I tried both ways around, and this can just about barely work, the other way cannot work at all. This is why the timings have been like this so far. As explained, 08:28 + 2:09 flight = 10:37 is the very earliest it can be. This is 15:37 Herefordshire, so they've got 42 minutes until sunset at 16:19.
•10:37 - Talbot feels like he let people down.
•10:37 - Ruby goes through the machine.
•10:37 - The team follow the drawing and go to land.
•10:44 - Quake arrives. ---Absolute minimum the team land at 10:41 and this is 10:44.
•10:45 - Daisy meets Ruby and they fight.
•10:46 - Deke gets injured. Hale arrives.
•10:50 - The team try to help Deke.
•10:50 - Piper lets Mack out of Fitz's cell.
•10:50/15:50 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo worries about radiation poisoning, but they scan and there is none. Fitz is awkward with Yo-Yo about losing arms. ---Earliest possible. Still daytime, still before 11:19/16:19 Herefordshire.
•10:53 - Daisy scolds Deke. He starts coughing blood. ---At least 8 minutes since they tried to help him, so absolute earliest 10:53.
•11:00 - The team wheel Deke to be operated. Piper and Mack agree to operate.
•11:00 - Hale tells off Ruby and locks her in her room
•11:00/16:00 Herefordshire - The Invincible Three move in on the base. Fitz gets an encrypted signal. They notice Ivanov. ---Earliest possible. Still daytime, still before 11:19/16:19 Herefordshire.
•11:03 - Coulson tells Talbot about Deke and the Kree in the future while Deke is operated on.
•11:04 - May tells Coulson she loves him.
•11:04 - Strucker enters Ruby's room and convinces her to lure Hale in and escape.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 17---
•11:04/16:04 Herefordshire - The Three close in further. Ivanov calls Hale to say the chamber is ready. Fitz sets off explosions and Ivanov tells Hale he'll handle it. The Three find the chamber.
•11:05 - Hale's assistant asks her about Ivanov, and Hale says their interests align.
•11:06 - Hale enters Ruby's room. Ruby says her mother is her weakness and hugs her, then knocks her down and escapes.
•11:08 - Strucker shoots and tells Hale's men to prepare the gravitonium for transport. Ruby catches up with him and tells him they are free and clear.
•11:08 - Talbot and Daisy talk. She asks him to tell him everything he remembers.
•11:08/16:08 Herefordshire - FitzSimmons look at the technology. Yo-Yo reveals that trying to save Coulson is what led to the end. She super-speeds, but her arms malfunction.
•11:08 - Mack and Piper talk about Mack's concerns for Yo-Yo while they operate.
•11:09/16:09 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo is in pain. The soldiers are closing in. She heads out. Simmons is happy this is their honeymoon. Her gun jams and they're running low on ammunition.
•11:10/16:10 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo finds Ivanov.
•11:10/16:10 Herefordshire - Simmons asks for a reminder that time can't be changed, but then realises it's not helping.
•11:11/16:11 Herefordshire - Ivanov insists he no longer feels pain. Yo-Yo fights him and throws him through a window. ---Earliest possible. Still daytime, still before 11:19/16:19 Herefordshire.
•11:12/16:12 Herefordshire - The robots stop working.
•11:12/16:12 Herefordshire - Who's Superior now. The robots convulse. ---Earliest possible. Still daytime, still before 11:19/16:19 Herefordshire.
•12:26 - Deke is on drugs and spilling all his secrets. ---This is between the 11:08 scene and Ruby arriving in Herefordshire. She left around 11:11, and it's a 3810.458-mile journey. Assuming they also have Mach 2.1/1611.27mph, 3810.458 miles/1611.27mph = 2:22, + a few minutes to top speed + a few minutes to get inside, 2:30. So that's 13:41 at the earliest. Should be as early as possible because it looks like it's very soon after Yo-Yo took out Ivanov. So, halfway between 11:12 and 13:41, 12:26.5. This is 12:26-12:27.
•12:27 - Daisy arrives and lets them know that they've got a ping from Hale's robots.
•13:41/18:41 Herefordshire - After inspecting the robots following them fritzing out, Fitz decides it must have been something Yo-Yo did. Ruby and Strucker arrive and force them to fix the machine. ---13:41 as explained.
•17:00 - Talbot calls Carla. She tells him to comply. ---There are 3 scenes between 13:41 and 03:25. 10th 03:25 - 9th 13:41 = 13:44. 13:44/4 = 3:26. 13:41 + 3:26 = 17:07.
[Episode 18]
•20:33 - Talbot mutters to himself that he has to complete his mission. ---17:07 + 3:26 = 20:33.
•20:33 - Mack catches Talbot, but he gets away with it.
•23:59/04:59 Herefordshire - Let her go, I need her help. I ship it. Everyone you care about will die. ---20:33 + 3:26 = 23:59.
•23:59/04:59 Herefordshire - Complicated, it'll take a while. I'll remove body parts.
WEDNESDAY
•03:25/08:25 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo stumbles into the Quinjet in pain. ---08:16 is sunrise time, so this is likely at least 08:25. It seems like pretty soon after Yo-Yo defeated Ivanov, but has to be at least 16 hours. She must have stumbled through the night. Early as possible though. The birds are tweeting in the English countryside, so it is indeed morning, which works.
•07:00 - Phil tries to talk to May about what she said, but she doesn't let him.
•07:00 - Daisy tells them the plan. Wheels up in 5. Coulson praises Daisy's leadership. Daisy reveals that they have found Hale's base in the Appalachian Mountains. ---When Daisy and May arrive, it is seemingly just after Hale has left Creel's room and is going to go after Ruby, so that would be around 07:50. This would be around 07:00.
•07:35 - Hale's assistant tells her that Ivanov is dead, and Creel had gotten much worse.
•07:45 - Hale goes to see Creel, and he's losing control, banging his head against the wall. ---Daylight in Creel's room, so at least 07:33, and ideally at least 07:45. Not later though, since it seems like minimal time has passed.
•07:45 - Coulson and Mack tell Deke that they know he fancies Daisy. He decides he'll use the 2091 lemons etiquette.
•07:50 - Talbot looks at Robin's drawings.
•07:50 - Daisy and May get into a containment module. They jet down to the base as the Zephyr fires a missile ahead. ---Daylight, at least 07:33 Appalachian Mountains.
•07:55 - Hale surrenders to Daisy and May, wanting to get to Ruby.
•07:55/12:55 Herefordshire - Ruby and Strucker threaten FitzSimmons to hurry up.
•08:00/13:00 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo shoots a mech who gets to her jet, still in pain.
•08:05 - Talbot talks to Robin and Polly.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 18----
•08:10 - Daisy and May tell Coulson that gravitonium also absorbs consciousnesses.
•08:10 - Talbot chokes Polly and takes Robin.
•10:25/15:25 Herefordshire - The team land in England. Hale's fault. ---As established above, the journey is roughly 2:22, + a few minutes to top speed, so 2:25. They would have left around 08:00, meaning this is about 10:25. ---Daylight, so before 16:21 Herefordshire.
•10:26/15:26 Herefordshire - Strucker tells Ruby that a plane just landed. The machine is ready. Strucker starts up a tube to transfer the gravitonium.
•10:26 - Deke turns up to talk to Mack and Coulson. They find that the security feeds are paused.
•10:30 - Coulson finds Polly still breathing.
•10:30/15:30 Herefordshire - Ruby goes into the machine. It starts to go wrong. Hale hears and runs in. They shut it down with only 8% done. Ruby comes out of machine floating.
•10:31/15:31 Herefordshire - Ruby can't deal with the voices. She accidentally kills Strucker. She begins to lose control.
•10:35 - Coulson and Mack confront Talbot as he goes into the hangar. Talbot holds a gun to his own head.
•10:35/15:35 Herefordshire - Ruby can't deal with so many voices. Daisy is kind.
•10:35/15:35 Herefordshire - May arrives as Yo-Yo returns. May says Daisy is handling it. ---Daylight, so before 16:21 Herefordshire.
•10:36 - Talbot believes he can't trust his thoughts. Mack takes Robin. Coulson commands that Talbot turn the gun on him. Mack I.C.E.s him.
•10:36/15:36 Herefordshire - Ruby begins to crush Daisy. She tells Hale she feels she was never good enough, but Hale says that all she ever wanted was Ruby to meet her full potential.
•10:38/15:38 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo arrives and realises Ruby is the one who took her arms. Ruby loses control again.
•10:39/15:39 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo uses the chakram to slice Ruby's throat. Daisy is shocked, and Hale is devastated.
•10:40/15:40 Herefordshire - Ruby's body releases a burst of gravitonium. ---Daylight, so before 16:21 Herefordshire.
•10:41/15:41 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo believes she just saved the world.
•15:00 - Hale visits Qovas and tells him that he can go after S.H.I.E.L.D.. ---Ideally at least a few hours after Ruby's death. It would take 4 hours for people on her team to come from the mountains and pick her up and take her back, so that she can use the machine in the mountain base. Plus, her grief isn't quite so intense. The ship arrives at 16:35, so probably a little while before that as well. Coulson telling the team the plan at the beginning of Episode 19 is at 15:20, so that's the earliest this can be. We can assume roughly 15:00, allowing over 4 hours for Hale and 95 minutes between her telling Qovas he can attack and him actually arriving to attack.
[Episode 19]
•15:08 - Talbot tries to sleep in the Lighthouse and mutters coordinates. ---Halfway between 15:00 and 15:15 scenes.
•15:15 - Coulson tells the team the plan to throw the gravitonium into the Sun. The team argue about Yo-Yo killing Ruby. ---Just before May and Daisy scene, which is 15:20.
•15:20 - May and Daisy talk about what May has found from Caine. ---If Coulson expects Daisy to have returned by 16:50, she must have left at least an hour or more beforehand. However, it is better to have it later than earlier, to allow time at the end of Episode 18 for Hale to have been picked up and got back to the Appalachian base, and the agents to have been back for a little while. So, 15:20ish, an hour-and-a-half.
•15:50 - Deke suggests multiverse again. They discuss the possibility of him blinking out of existence. ---Halfway between 15:20 and 16:20 scenes.
•16:20 - Talbot continues to mutter coordinates. He calls for Coulson. ---Presumably about 10 minutes for them to get Coulson to go and see Talbot, which is at 16:30.
•16:30 - Coulson visits Talbot. He tells Coulson he must have given their location. ---Seemingly just before the team realise the ship has arrived at 16:35.
•16:35 - Qovas' ship arrives over the Lighthouse. ---Not long before the 16:45 scene after this, because the marauders would not have waited particularly long to attack.
•16:35 - The team realise they are cut off from the world. Project: Reclamation is triggered, and Rick Stoner's video talks to them. Coulson selects the nuclear attack option before the alien invasion option shows. He accidentally locks them in for 15 years. Coulson tells the agents about the situation.
•16:38 - Qovas video calls them. Coulson says that in the current political climate, they'll probably get shot down.
•16:45 - Yo-Yo tries to explain her actions to Mack, who is not happy. ---Working back from 16:50, as explained later.
•16:48 - May tells Yo-Yo you can only learn to live with your actions.
•16:50 - Coulson wonders why Daisy isn't back by now. May reveals that she's gone dark to get information to save him. Yo-Yo thinks she killed Ruby for nothing. ---This scene continues after the 16:50 moment after this, so this is also 16:50.
•16:50 - Qovas prepares marauders. ---Shown to be dark, but during sunset, around the later part of sunset. So, with sunset being 16:47, this would be roughly 16:50.
•16:50 - Yo-Yo reveals her future self said they have to let Coulson die. Coulson realises the marauders can simply teleport in.
•16:50 - The marauders are sent.
•16:55 - The marauders arrive. Deke runs frmo them and hides in the vent as agents are killed.
•17:00 - Energy fluctuations occur. Deke tells them the marauders are already inside.
•17:05 - Deke tells them about the marauders. Coulson says they need to get Talbot out. Fitz tells Coulson there's an analogue override he needs to get to to get them out. Deke wonders why Daisy isn't back yet.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 19----
•17:10 - Daisy talks to Tony Caine. He gives her Centipede serum. Mention of the Infinity War events in New York. ---Dark outside.
•17:10 - Yo-yo gets Talbot out of his cell.
•17:10 - Fitz is attacked. Deke helps him, and they get to the override, where they find it ripped up.
•17:15 - Qovas sends more marauders.
•17:15 - Agent Kim goes to the armoury. Coulson decides to defend control. Yo-Yo has Talbot. Deke is fixing the elevator for the gravitonium. Fit tells them the aliens have EMPs, and they need combustible things to create light sources. "Let's light 'em up."
•17:20 - Yo-Yo and Talbot encounter marauders.
•17:20 - Deke panics and doesn't want to die.
•17:25 - Piper, Davis, and Simmons barricade themselves. Yo-Yo and Talbot arrive. Fitz tells Simmons on comms that Deke is still there, so Simmons feels they're safe. Yo-Yo heads out with Davis and Piper, leaving Simmons and Talbot as the last line of defence.
•17:25 - Mack joins Fitz and Deke. Marauders attack.
•17:30 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot into the dark. Yo-Yo leads the way, feeling she can't be killed.
•17:35 - Simmons realises they are surrounded. Talbot takes an I.C.E.R.. He sees the machine and I.C.E.s Simmons. Talbot then enters the machine.
•17:40 - Fitz has made a combustible cocktail. Deke calls Fitz "Gramps", which he doesn't appreciate. The doors rattle, but the noises stop and then come from above. The marauders enter and the team shoot.
•17:40 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot at the marauders attacking the lab. Yo-Yo is concerned that she can't get through to Simmons. The doors suddenly burst open and a marauder's blood is splattered. Graviton emerges.
•17:45 - The team are running out of ammunition and hand-to-hand fighting begins. Talbot enters and crushes the aliens.
•17:50 - Yo-Yo finds Simmons. They see the 100%-used machine.
•17:50 - Talbot lifts Coulson into the air, through the ceiling, and leaves with him. Rick Stoner's video tells them the planet is safe again.
•17:50 - Daisy digs up Jiaying's body.
[Episode 20]
•17:55 - Talbot and Coulson approach Qovas' ship. Talbot believes he can fix the situation.
•17:55 - The team at the Lighthouse are concerned that they can't help out, since the building has only just come back on line.
•18:00 - A remaining marauder takes the odium and attacks Mack. Mack takes him down, and they take him prisoner.
•18:05 - Talbot claims the ship and crushes an alien, forcing the other aliens to kneel.
•18:14 - Mack and Yo-Yo talk about his fight with the rabid alien. ---Five scenes between 18:05 and 19:00. 19:00 - 18:05 = 0:55. 0:55/6 = 0:9.16667. 18:05 + 0:9.16667 = 18:14.16667.
•18:23 - The marauder on odium becomes especially rabid, and then dies. Simmons decides she has to dissect him. ---18:14.16667 + 0:9.16667 = 18:23.33333.
•18:33 - Talbot has everyone kneeling. ---18:23.33333 + 0:9.16667 = 18:32.5.
•18:42 - Coulson visits Hale on the ship and asks to team up. ---18:32.5 + 0:9.16667 = 18:41.66667.
•18:50 - Coulson and Hale return to the Remoraths and talk about the Confederacy. Hale tells Talbot he is the only one who can save them all. She reveals that the aliens wanted gravitonium. ---18:41.66667 + 0:9.16667 = 18:50.83333.
•19:00 - Fitz believes it could take hours to get the power working again, but Deke fixes the power quickly. Daisy calls. She's arriving. ---Daisy has been trying to get through for 30 minutes, suggesting this is about half an hour after she got Jiaying's body, Assuming she probably was en route for her return by around 18:30.
•19:10 - Yo-Yo confronts Daisy on her return.
•19:10 - Yo-Yo and Daisy fight. May tells Yo-Yo to pitch in helping Coulson or leave.
•20:00 - Talbot has had a trim. Coulson tells him he looks pretty cool. Talbot is transported over to see the Confederacy. ---Got to have been at least an hour since we last saw Talbot, which was 18:50.
•20:05 - The Confederacy. Talbot calls himself Earth's mightiest hero.
•20:05 - Deke goes to see Daisy. She tells him the bag contains her mother's body, and that someone seems to have pranked her by putting lemons on her bed. She talks about how people close to her die, including Lincoln. He reveals FitzSimmons are his parents.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 20----
•20:05 - Talbot asks to be added to the Confederacy. He kills one of the aliens, saying that now there is a space for him.
•20:10 - Mack fixes the Zephyr. Fitz walks in and they put the gravitonium in. Fitz tries to apologise, but Mack tells him to take a look at his actions.
•20:15 - Simmons looks at the marauder's heart. Daisy drops off Jiaying's body, and convinces her to help by pointing out that they simply have to save Coulson.
•20:20 - Ready for take-off into space.
•20:20 - At the Confederacy, Kasius' father tells them Thanos is attacking. During Infinity War. ---Minimum time since Talbot arrived at the Confederacy, at least 15 minutes.
•20:25 - Hale and Coulson look out at space.
•20:30 - Talbot wants more gravitonium. He mentions he spoke to a Kasius. He forces Coulson to kneel, threatening his life.
•20:30 - The Zephyr reaches vertical burn. They get into space and start cloaking.
•20:35 - Simmons is happy in conversation with Fitz, but he's concerned. They look at the Centipede formula.
•20:40 - The Zephyr approaches the ship, then docks.
•20:40 - Talbot hears Quinn tell him how he found gravitonium in a mine. The aliens report that their hull has been breached.
•20:45 - Knowing it's S.H.I.E.L.D. who've arrived, Talbot turns on Coulson, feeling lied to. Hale lies for her own survival.
•20:45 - Talbot threatens Daisy when she enters, and lifts Coulson into the air. Hale says she trusts Daisy after she helped Ruby.
•20:45 - Hale attempts to use the Hydra conditioning to stop Talbot. He lowers Coulson, but then turns on Hale and crushes her, killing her.
•20:45 - Daisy tries to quake Talbot but fails. He takes her out and May has to surrender. Talbot calls them prisoners of war, believing he has finally realised S.H.I.E.L.D. were always the enemy.
•The Kasius father takes Daisy with him.
Putting together Wednesday and Thursday, this is:
WEDNESDAY
•03:25/08:25 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo stumbles into the Quinjet in pain.
•07:00 - Phil tries to talk to May about what she said, but she doesn't let him.
•07:00 - Daisy tells them the plan. Wheels up in 5. Coulson praises Daisy's leadership. Daisy reveals that they have found Hale's base in the Appalachian Mountains.
around 07:50. This would be around 07:00.[/I]
•07:35 - Hale's assistant tells her that Ivanov is dead, and Creel had gotten much worse.
•07:45 - Hale goes to see Creel, and he's losing control, banging his head against the wall.
•07:45 - Coulson and Mack tell Deke that they know he fancies Daisy. He decides he'll use the 2091 lemons etiquette.
•07:50 - Talbot looks at Robin's drawings.
•07:50 - Daisy and May get into a containment module. They jet down to the base as the Zephyr fires a missile ahead.
•07:55 - Hale surrenders to Daisy and May, wanting to get to Ruby.
•07:55/12:55 Herefordshire - Ruby and Strucker threaten FitzSimmons to hurry up.
•08:00/13:00 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo shoots a mech who gets to her jet, still in pain.
•08:05 - Talbot talks to Robin and Polly.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 18----
•08:10 - Daisy and May tell Coulson that gravitonium also absorbs consciousnesses.
•08:10 - Talbot chokes Polly and takes Robin.
•10:25/15:25 Herefordshire - The team land in England. Hale's fault.
•10:26/15:26 Herefordshire - Strucker tells Ruby that a plane just landed. The machine is ready. Strucker starts up a tube to transfer the gravitonium.
•10:26 - Deke turns up to talk to Mack and Coulson. They find that the security feeds are paused.
•10:30 - Coulson finds Polly still breathing.
•10:30/15:30 Herefordshire - Ruby goes into the machine. It starts to go wrong. Hale hears and runs in. They shut it down with only 8% done. Ruby comes out of machine floating.
•10:31/15:31 Herefordshire - Ruby can't deal with the voices. She accidentally kills Strucker. She begins to lose control.
•10:35 - Coulson and Mack confront Talbot as he goes into the hangar. Talbot holds a gun to his own head.
•10:35/15:35 Herefordshire - Ruby can't deal with so many voices. Daisy is kind.
•10:35/15:35 Herefordshire - May arrives as Yo-Yo returns. May says Daisy is handling it.
•10:36 - Talbot believes he can't trust his thoughts. Mack takes Robin. Coulson commands that Talbot turn the gun on him. Mack I.C.E.s him.
•10:36/15:36 Herefordshire - Ruby begins to crush Daisy. She tells Hale she feels she was never good enough, but Hale says that all she ever wanted was Ruby to meet her full potential.
•10:38/15:38 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo arrives and realises Ruby is the one who took her arms. Ruby loses control again.
•10:39/15:39 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo uses the chakram to slice Ruby's throat. Daisy is shocked, and Hale is devastated.
•10:40/15:40 Herefordshire - Ruby's body releases a burst of gravitonium.
•10:41/15:41 Herefordshire - Yo-Yo believes she just saved the world.
•13:05-12 - The Statesman. •13:12 - "Thanos is coming." •13:16-17 - Pepper and Tony. •13:19-21 - The discussion in the Sanctum. •"WED" "01:21PM" shown on phone. So as late as possible, the film begins at 13:05. •13:22-41 - Attack on Greenwich Village. Tony and Peter end up on the ship. •13:42 - Bruce calls Steve. •13:42 - The Guardians pick up Thor. •13:50 - Thor wakes and tells them everything that happened. •14:10/19:10 Scotland (or 15:45/20:45 Scotland) - Scotland bedroom. •14:30-35/19:30-35 Scotland (or 16:05-10/21:05-10 Scotland) - Edinburgh fight.
•15:00 - Hale visits Qovas and tells him that he can go after S.H.I.E.L.D..
[Episode 19]
•15:08 - Talbot tries to sleep in the Lighthouse and mutters coordinates.
•15:15 - Coulson tells the team the plan to throw the gravitonium into the Sun. The team argue about Yo-Yo killing Ruby.
•15:17 (or 21:15) - Gamora asks Peter to kill her if Thanos gets her. Drax thinks he's mastered being invisible.
•15:20 - May and Daisy talk about what May has found from Caine.
•15:50 - Deke suggests multiverse again. They discuss the possibility of him blinking out of existence.
•15:58 (or Thursday 02:20) - Knowhere.
•16:20 - Talbot continues to mutter coordinates. He calls for Coulson.
•16:30 - Coulson visits Talbot. He tells Coulson he must have given their location.
•16:35 - Qovas' ship arrives over the Lighthouse.
•16:35 - The team realise they are cut off from the world. Project: Reclamation is triggered, and Rick Stoner's video talks to them. Coulson selects the nuclear attack option before the alien invasion option shows. He accidentally locks them in for 15 years. Coulson tells the agents about the situation.
•16:38 - Qovas video calls them. Coulson says that in the current political climate, they'll probably get shot down.
•16:40 (or Thursday 07:25) - The facility.
•16:45 - Yo-Yo tries to explain her actions to Mack, who is not happy.
•16:48 - May tells Yo-Yo you can only learn to live with your actions.
•16:50 - Coulson wonders why Daisy isn't back by now. May reveals that she's gone dark to get information to save him. Yo-Yo thinks she killed Ruby for nothing.
•16:50 - Qovas prepares marauders.
•16:50 - Yo-Yo reveals her future self said they have to let Coulson die. Coulson realises the marauders can simply teleport in.
•16:50 - The marauders are sent.
•16:55 - The marauders arrive. Deke runs frmo them and hides in the vent as agents are killed.
•17:00 - Energy fluctuations occur. Deke tells them the marauders are already inside.
•17:05 - Deke tells them about the marauders. Coulson says they need to get Talbot out. Fitz tells Coulson there's an analogue override he needs to get to to get them out. Deke wonders why Daisy isn't back yet.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 19----
•17:10 - Daisy talks to Tony Caine. He gives her Centipede serum. Mention of the Infinity War events in New York.
•17:10 - Yo-yo gets Talbot out of his cell.
•17:10 - Fitz is attacked. Deke helps him, and they get to the override, where they find it ripped up.
•17:15 - Qovas sends more marauders.
•17:15 - Agent Kim goes to the armoury. Coulson decides to defend control. Yo-Yo has Talbot. Deke is fixing the elevator for the gravitonium. Fit tells them the aliens have EMPs, and they need combustible things to create light sources. "Let's light 'em up."
•17:20 - Yo-Yo and Talbot encounter marauders.
•17:20 - Deke panics and doesn't want to die.
•17:25 - Piper, Davis, and Simmons barricade themselves. Yo-Yo and Talbot arrive. Fitz tells Simmons on comms that Deke is still there, so Simmons feels they're safe. Yo-Yo heads out with Davis and Piper, leaving Simmons and Talbot as the last line of defence.
•17:25 - Mack joins Fitz and Deke. Marauders attack.
•17:30 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot into the dark. Yo-Yo leads the way, feeling she can't be killed.
•17:35 - Simmons realises they are surrounded. Talbot takes an I.C.E.R.. He sees the machine and I.C.E.s Simmons. Talbot then enters the machine.
•17:40 - Fitz has made a combustible cocktail. Deke calls Fitz "Gramps", which he doesn't appreciate. The doors rattle, but the noises stop and then come from above. The marauders enter and the team shoot.
•17:40 - Yo-Yo, Piper, and Davis shoot at the marauders attacking the lab. Yo-Yo is concerned that she can't get through to Simmons. The doors suddenly burst open and a marauder's blood is splattered. Graviton emerges.
•17:45 - The team are running out of ammunition and hand-to-hand fighting begins. Talbot enters and crushes the aliens.
•17:50 - Yo-Yo finds Simmons. They see the 100%-used machine.
•17:50 - Talbot lifts Coulson into the air, through the ceiling, and leaves with him. Rick Stoner's video tells them the planet is safe again.
•17:50 - Daisy digs up Jiaying's body.
[Episode 20]
•17:55 - Talbot and Coulson approach Qovas' ship. Talbot believes he can fix the situation.
•17:55 - The team at the Lighthouse are concerned that they can't help out, since the building has only just come back on line.
•18:00 - A remaining marauder takes the odium and attacks Mack. Mack takes him down, and they take him prisoner.
•18:05 - Talbot claims the ship and crushes an alien, forcing the other aliens to kneel.
•18:14 - Mack and Yo-Yo talk about his fight with the rabid alien.
•18:23 - The marauder on odium becomes especially rabid, and then dies. Simmons decides she has to dissect him.
•18:33 - Talbot has everyone kneeling.
•18:42 - Coulson visits Hale on the ship and asks to team up.
•18:50 - Coulson and Hale return to the Remoraths and talk about the Confederacy. Hale tells Talbot he is the only one who can save them all. She reveals that the aliens wanted gravitonium.
•19:00 - Fitz believes it could take hours to get the power working again, but Deke fixes the power quickly. Daisy calls. She's arriving.
•19:10 - Yo-Yo confronts Daisy on her return.
•19:10 - Yo-Yo and Daisy fight. May tells Yo-Yo to pitch in helping Coulson or leave.
•20:00 - Talbot has had a trim. Coulson tells him he looks pretty cool. Talbot is transported over to see the Confederacy.
•20:05 - The Confederacy. Talbot calls himself Earth's mightiest hero.
•20:05 - Deke goes to see Daisy. She tells him the bag contains her mother's body, and that someone seems to have pranked her by putting lemons on her bed. She talks about how people close to her die, including Lincoln. He reveals FitzSimmons are his parents.----MIDDLE OF EPISODE 20----
•20:05 - Talbot asks to be added to the Confederacy. He kills one of the aliens, saying that now there is a space for him.
•20:10 - Mack fixes the Zephyr. Fitz walks in and they put the gravitonium in. Fitz tries to apologise, but Mack tells him to take a look at his actions.
•20:15 - Simmons looks at the marauder's heart. Daisy drops off Jiaying's body, and convinces her to help by pointing out that they simply have to save Coulson.
•20:20 - Ready for take-off into space.
•20:20 - At the Confederacy, Kasius' father tells them Thanos is attacking. During Infinity War.
•20:25 - Hale and Coulson look out at space.
•20:30 - Talbot wants more gravitonium. He mentions he spoke to a Kasius. He forces Coulson to kneel, threatening his life.
•20:30 - The Zephyr reaches vertical burn. They get into space and start cloaking.
•20:35 - Simmons is happy in conversation with Fitz, but he's concerned. They look at the Centipede formula.
•20:40 - The Zephyr approaches the ship, then docks.
•20:40 - Talbot hears Quinn tell him how he found gravitonium in a mine. The aliens report that their hull has been breached.
•20:45 - Knowing it's S.H.I.E.L.D. who've arrived, Talbot turns on Coulson, feeling lied to. Hale lies for her own survival.
•20:45 - Talbot threatens Daisy when she enters, and lifts Coulson into the air. Hale says she trusts Daisy after she helped Ruby.
•20:45 - Hale attempts to use the Hydra conditioning to stop Talbot. He lowers Coulson, but then turns on Hale and crushes her, killing her.
•20:45 - Daisy tries to quake Talbot but fails. He takes her out and May has to surrender. Talbot calls them prisoners of war, believing he has finally realised S.H.I.E.L.D. were always the enemy.
•The Kasius father takes Daisy with him.
•23:45/06:45 Wakanda (or Thursday 07:47/14:47 Wakanda, or Thursday 10:02/17:02 Wakanda) - Wakanda. Bucky gets his new arm.
THURSDAY
•00:50 (or 08:09, or 12:38 ) - Ebony Maw tortures Strange. Peter reveals he's still there. Using the vaccuum. They decide to let the ship go to Titan. •01:55 (or 08:31, or 15:15) - Gamora says she hated her life. Thanos reveals he is torturing Nebula, until Gamora tells him the Soul Stone is on Vormir.
----MIDDLE OF THE FILM----
•03:00 (or 08:53, or 17:51) - Thor laments everything he's lost. Rocket gives him a new cybernetic eye. They arrive in Nidavellir and meet Eitri. •04:05 (or 09:15, or 20:28 ) - Nebula escapes and contacts Mantis. •05:10 (or 09:37, or 23:04) - The Q-ship crashes on Titan. The Guardians meet Tony, Peter, and Strange. •06:15 (or 09:59, or Friday 01:41) - Eitri shows them the mould for Stormbreaker. •07:20 (or 10:21, or Friday 04:17) - The two teams on Titan discuss plans. "Kick names, take ass." Strange returns from seeing 14 million futures. •08:25 (or 10:43, or Friday 06:54) - Vormir. •09:30 (or 11:05, or same time on the Friday) - Arriving in Wakanda. •09:40-09:45 (or 11:08, or same time on the Friday) - Shuri and Banner. The Outrider ships begin to crash down. •09:57-10:02 (or 11:12-17, or same time on the Friday) - Thor uses Rocket's ship to start moving the rings of Nidavellir. The forge starts up but then breaks. •09:57-10:05 (or 11:12-20, or same time on the Friday) - The group prepare in Wakanda. Cull Obsidian and Proxima Midnight approach. The Outriders are unleashed. Charge. •10:05-10:08 (or 11:18-21, or same time on the Friday) - Thor holds the forge. Stormbreaker is forged. Groot makes the handle. •10:10-10:12 (or 11:21-23, or same time on the Friday) - The battle continues. Thor arrives. •10:12-10:19 (or 11:22-29, or same time on the Friday) - Thanos gets to Titan. Strange greets him. The group all attack. They try to get the gauntlet off, but Star-Lord loses control. Thanos throws the moon at them. •10:14-10:19 (or 11:24-29, or same time on the Friday) - Rocket and Bucky team up. Steve talks to Thor and Groot. The underground mining vehicles erupt from the ground. Wanda goes to the battlefield but Corvus Glaive then attacks Shuri. Hulkbuster fights Cull Obsidian. Vision and Steve fight Corvus Glaive. The women fight Proxima Midnight and Scarlet Witch kills her. Vision kills Corvus Glaive. •10:19-10:23 (or 11:29-33, or same time on the Friday) - Spider-Man grabs the Guardians as the moon crashes down on them. Strange takes on Thanos. Thanos attacks Iron Man, who does everything he can to fight back. Thanos stabs Tony, and Strange gives Thanos the stone in return for sparing Tony. •10:23 (or 11:31, or same time on the Friday) - Thor continues to fight. Vision senses Thanos coming. The team all fail against Thanos. Vision tells Wanda to destroy the stone, and she does. Nonetheless, Thanos reverses Vision and takes the stone. Thor hurls the axe, but Thanos survives. •10:24/17:24 (or 11:32, or same time on the Friday) - The snap. •10:24-25/17:24-25 (or 11:32-33, or same time on the Friday) - People disappear. Credits scene.
Just wanted to drop this by, I'm currently reading Heroes' Journey and there was a passage toward the end of the Thor section
"In his heart, Heimdall knew it was right. He could tell by looking at the faces of the people throughout the ship that naming a new king of Asgard would give them faith and hope and the will to carry on. That would prove vital in the days, weeks, and months to come."
This could be indication that they were on the ship for a while or it could be nothing at all, but either way it is here for your consideration.
Interesting. Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take it at face value, but it does also lend credence to a longer span between Thor's post credit scene and rest of film.
Also, I'm collecting data for my MCU project and I was wondering if anyone here could link me to the interview in which Kevin Feige says Iron Man 3 happened six months after Avengers? I've looked everywhere, but the only one I can find has the interviewer saying it, and Feige not acknowledging the comment. But, the internet insists that Kevin Feige has said this, so I'm trying to track it down. Any help would be appreciated.
On the Spider-Man: Homecoming Blu Ray, there are two special features that could possibly be canon. Midtown News: Final Segment and Mr. Harrington: Lessons In Love. Check em out and let me know.
Spider-Man: Homecoming hit Blu-ray this past week, and while it's worth picking up since the movie is fun and rewatchable, it also contains a solid selection of special features. Among the extras is a collection of deleted and extended scenes, and you can see that co-writer/director Jon Watts had no shortage of comic bits he could have added into his movie. If anything, there was too much as certain "deleted scenes" are compilations that were never meant to fit into the film directly like "Midtown News Final Segment" and "Mr. Harrington Lessons in Love" but they make for weird little montages that might get a chuckle or two.
It's worth noting that there could be more deleted scenes than the ones that were included on the Blu-ray, but in terms of what was collected for home releases, they mostly went with amusing additions.
I've seen those; they seem a little like deleted scenes/background material dressed up as standalone bits, so they're a little different from a regular "deleted scene". There's also this pop-up video for Trish Walker's "Cray Cray" that's in-universe and seems to date from her hayday.
Interesting. Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take it at face value, but it does also lend credence to a longer span between Thor's post credit scene and rest of film.
I honestly can't find it. I'm not sure if Feige himself ever said it, but I believe Shane Black did? I honestly can't remember, been five years.
Yeah, I thought it was definitely interesting that it was said at all. I just feel like there has to be a larger time jump between the beginning of Ragnarok and Infinity War. It just doesn't feel right, it happening back to back, and then you factor in SHIELD and it's almost impossible.
Yeah, I couldn't find him saying it either, I'll keep looking though. I appreciate the effort.
I, like you, hunted for it a while back and never found much. I think it might be one of those things where someone said several months and it got Chinese whisper-ed to "6 months" as the generally accepted fact, and without any explicit quote to back it up you get the vague "Kevin Feige said it's 6 months later" that people say online without actual sources. I've also seen people claim that it's in dialogue in one of the trailers or TV spots - but again, never a source. There's weird things that happen sometimes where these myths of things that we've supposedly been told, but it just sort of built up through someone hearing it's months after The Avengers and saying "6 months", someone watching that and then passing that on themselves, etc..
It specifically said "6 months" in the plot section on Wikipedia for years, until recently, where they've changed it to say "In 2013" which really bothers me. But again, they never had a source against the 6 months. It's a bit of a weird myth that seems to have been spread without explicit basis.
Yeah, saw that. It's a bit vague about when the scene takes place, but confirms where - it's in Nidavellir, and seemingly implies it's set at the time of Age of Ultron.
I, like you, hunted for it a while back and never found much. I think it might be one of those things where someone said several months and it got Chinese whisper-ed to "6 months" as the generally accepted fact, and without any explicit quote to back it up you get the vague "Kevin Feige said it's 6 months later" that people say online without actual sources. I've also seen people claim that it's in dialogue in one of the trailers or TV spots - but again, never a source. There's weird things that happen sometimes where these myths of things that we've supposedly been told, but it just sort of built up through someone hearing it's months after The Avengers and saying "6 months", someone watching that and then passing that on themselves, etc..
It specifically said "6 months" in the plot section on Wikipedia for years, until recently, where they've changed it to say "In 2013" which really bothers me. But again, they never had a source against the 6 months. It's a bit of a weird myth that seems to have been spread without explicit basis.
Hey man, I really appreciate the digging. I think a lot of people saw that it happened during Christmas and just assumed since it was the first movie after The Avengers it had to be THAT Christmas. Unfortunately, I'm part of that faction of people who thinks it did happen in 2013. I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I'm just trying to get proof for both sides of the argument and this seemed to be a really big one that was floating around for the 2012 side.
And as much as I wish I could accept the junior novelization as proof, I can't bring myself to. I think recently the Spiderman Junior novel reinforces the 8 years claim and that also turned out to be false. And also I think in the Thor: The Dark World novelization, Frigga survives the Dark Elves, deviating extremely from the movie's plot. So I personally can't trust those things in the slightest.
Hey man, I really appreciate the digging. I think a lot of people saw that it happened during Christmas and just assumed since it was the first movie after The Avengers it had to be THAT Christmas. Unfortunately, I'm part of that faction of people who thinks it did happen in 2013. I'm not here to change anyone's mind, I'm just trying to get proof for both sides of the argument and this seemed to be a really big one that was floating around for the 2012 side.
And as much as I wish I could accept the junior novelization as proof, I can't bring myself to. I think recently the Spiderman Junior novel reinforces the 8 years claim and that also turned out to be false. And also I think in the Thor: The Dark World novelization, Frigga survives the Dark Elves, deviating extremely from the movie's plot. So I personally can't trust those things in the slightest.
Yeah, I'm not really relying on the six month mention (whether real or not) or the novelization for the timeline. That stuff is non-canon since its not seen or mentioned in actual canon material. I'll utilize that type of info if there is no other source and it doesn't conflict with anything established in canon, but I'm simply using the implied timeline from the film itself and Agents of SHIELD. The prop newspaper does place it in Dec 2013, but the dialogue and 13 years later dialogue (from December 31, 1999) place it in December 2012. This is reinforced by Agent of SHIELD's Pilot episode using the Extremis plot line. The intention was clear to follow that on from what occurred i in Iron Man 3. The Dec 2013 date on the prop was simply a mistake, since the film came out in 2013 they used the real world timing (somewhat as the film released in May, 2013) which contrasts directly with the dialogue. Such pointed and direct dialogue and plot line follow throughs are why the 2013 year is ignored.
Further, even though Feige didn't say it, he also didn't contradict or correct, which I feel he'd do, even if to say its an unspecific amount of time later (so as to avoid getting pinned down and causing problems as the Homecoming 8 years later tag did... but which they pretty quickly retconned/fixed in Infinity War).
Tony's seemingly fresh PTSD attacks also indicates it hasn't been too long after events of Avengers. I'd think Happy or Rhodey or Pepper would've witnessed one before the events of the film if it was indeed a year and a half later instead of six months, just due to law of averages/odds.
Like I said before, the evidence for placing it in December 2012 outweighs the prop newspaper date in my opinion. Especially in regards to how it affects Agents of SHIELD. Think about the fact the major Avengers related events in Thor - The Dark World and Captain America - Winter Soldier were both covered and referenced extensively on Agents of SHIELD, but for some reason NOT the major events occurring in Iron Man 3? There's a reason for that.
The dialogue in the film, the elements used in AoS's first episode, the fact the show so heavily relies on events from the two big Avengers related characters but makes no mention of events of Iron Man 3 in real time (as was done for the other shows). If Iron Man 3 was meant to occur in December, 2013, why was there no mention of President being kidnapped, super soldiers powered by Extremis, Tony Stark being AWOL, etc? It just doesn't add up. Granted Season 1 ends before events of IM3 occur over days leading up to Christmas based on my timeline (but others lay out AoS Season 1 and Winter Soldier in real time), but you'd think there'd have been a mention in Season 2 of such an event?
Yeah, I'm not really relying on the six month mention (whether real or not) or the novelization for the timeline. That stuff is non-canon since its not seen or mentioned in actual canon material. I'll utilize that type of info if there is no other source and it doesn't conflict with anything established in canon, but I'm simply using the implied timeline from the film itself and Agents of SHIELD. The prop newspaper does place it in Dec 2013, but the dialogue and 13 years later dialogue (from December 31, 1999) place it in December 2012. This is reinforced by Agent of SHIELD's Pilot episode using the Extremis plot line. The intention was clear to follow that on from what occurred i in Iron Man 3. The Dec 2013 date on the prop was simply a mistake, since the film came out in 2013 they used the real world timing (somewhat as the film released in May, 2013) which contrasts directly with the dialogue. Such pointed and direct dialogue and plot line follow throughs are why the 2013 year is ignored.
Further, even though Feige didn't say it, he also didn't contradict or correct, which I feel he'd do, even if to say its an unspecific amount of time later (so as to avoid getting pinned down and causing problems as the Homecoming 8 years later tag did... but which they pretty quickly retconned/fixed in Infinity War).
Tony's seemingly fresh PTSD attacks also indicates it hasn't been too long after events of Avengers. I'd think Happy or Rhodey or Pepper would've witnessed one before the events of the film if it was indeed a year and a half later instead of six months, just due to law of averages/odds.
Like I said before, the evidence for placing it in December 2012 outweighs the prop newspaper date in my opinion. Especially in regards to how it affects Agents of SHIELD. Think about the fact the major Avengers related events in Thor - The Dark World and Captain America - Winter Soldier were both covered and referenced extensively on Agents of SHIELD, but for some reason NOT the major events occurring in Iron Man 3? There's a reason for that.
The dialogue in the film, the elements used in AoS's first episode, the fact the show so heavily relies on events from the two big Avengers related characters but makes no mention of events of Iron Man 3 in real time (as was done for the other shows). If Iron Man 3 was meant to occur in December, 2013, why was there no mention of President being kidnapped, super soldiers powered by Extremis, Tony Stark being AWOL, etc? It just doesn't add up. Granted Season 1 ends before events of IM3 occur over days leading up to Christmas based on my timeline (but others lay out AoS Season 1 and Winter Soldier in real time), but you'd think there'd have been a mention in Season 2 of such an event?
Okay, I will respond to this and this alone because we have had a pretty lengthy argument about this in the past, and whereas I do enjoy talking about it and hearing other points of view, I don't want to cluster up the chat with this (I am totally wiling to private chat about it though haha)
All of the evidence in the movie indicates it is in 2013. The newspaper date you mentioned is one of them, but there is another prop date as well. Jarvis says he was monitoring the heat signature in incidents over the past twelve months, Tony then pulls up a newspaper indicating that an article was written about it in October of 2013. All of the dialog indicates it is 2013 as well. Aldrich says he presented the idea to Tony 13 years ago, and since the year 2000 is printed all over that convention, in my mind, he means from 2000, but that argument can go either way. Also Tony: Don't tell me there is a twelve year old kid in the car I've never met Mia: He's thirteen. Nine months after conception would be September 2000, 13th birthday September 2013, making him 13 that December. I know there is no kid, and it is a joke, but there is no proof that can indicate to me that the point of the joke isn't actually "Hey, jerk, we actually slept together thirteen years ago. And the kid would be 13" And with so much talk about rounding on this forum, it seems really random to me that in this instance alone the thought of rounding up less than an hour to the year 2000 is so absurd.
Right, he didn't contradict or correct it due to the fact that it was an interview about Thor: The Dark World, so he talked about Thor: The Dark World. Why would he take up time in the interview promoting a new movie, talking about an old movie. And maybe he did, and they cut it do to irrelevance, we can't know.
Pepper did notice. Tony: "I messed up. My fault. I haven't been the same since New York." Pepper: "No kidding." Tony's delayed anxiety disorder hadn't manifested because his anxieties were being channeled into building his suits, preoccupying him. He acknowledges this in the movie. Tony: "I tinker, I do what I know, these suits, they're-" Pepper: "A distraction." Also, there is no set time for when a panic disorder can take effect, as one can go years before a specific event can cause the anxiety to surface. Also, I don't care how little he is sleeping, he built 6 suits between 2008 to 2012. With Jarvis. I'm not saying that 35 suits, most with unique functions such as stealth, radiation, deep sea, etc etc, in a year and a half is incredibly realistic, but it is about three times more realistic than six months.
In my deduction, that is due to SHIELD being scattered in order to find Coulson around that time, as Fury had put all his resources into finding Coulson and they had multiple units around the globe trying to find him, the map in the episode after "The Bridge" shows just how seriously they were taking the manhunt. And you can barely use the, why wasn't this mentioned argument because that is just the nature of the beast with this universe. If we're just discussing Iron Man 3, no TV shows, where was SHIELD at all when the president was kidnapped, he was in danger but they didn't lift a finger. Why? It's not like SHIELD wasn't around before the TV show, they should have stepped in. But because they didn't, we don't assume SHIELD isn't around, just that they were somewhere else.
They are mentioned, albeit subtly, Simmons in Seeds Refers to AIM and Centipede in the same breath as recent events. And also, think the cure. SHIELD and Tony both had a "We need to stabilize Extremis problem" So by the 2012 logic: Tony stabilized Extremis before SHIELD started, Coulson knew about Extremis but didn't know there was a cure (Why?), and SHIELD still had to stabilize Extremis themselves even though Tony had already done it but didn't tell them because he hates saving lives. But the 2013 route: In the Bridge Fitz and Simmons tell Mike: "We're really curious how they stabilized the Extremis in you" to which Mike replies "Oh, that was you guys. Your serum." So to me, it makes more sense that SHIELD would have given the already figured out stabilization formula to Tony for Pepper, rather than Tony stabilizing Pepper and just throwing away the formula forever.
Also, and I think I'm alone on this, but the idea of a high ranking SHIELD operative (Garret) who has gotten his hands on everything from super soldier serum, Chitauri metal, etc etc through black market means getting his hands on a government funded think tank serum such as Extremis isn't super far fetched to me. And the idea of Coulson knowing about a government funded think tank serum is also not that ridiculous. It's listed in government intel. Especially since Coulson is the ONLY one on the team who knows what Extremis is. And you would think that the two scientists on the team would have at least heard about that, considering it was used to kidnap the president and it was all over the news. Which even when they encounter the Extremis, there is no mention, from anyone including Coulson that it was used less than a year ago to kidnap Ellis. Which is weird. Maybe because that hasn't happened yet.
But again, there's no need to blow up the forum here, because I don't think we are going to change each others minds, I will gladly PM about it though if you want. I just wanted to respond at least once, I didn't want it to seem like I was ignoring your side of the argument, because it is well thought out and I appreciate you responding at all. We just see it differently. Which I guess is the fun of all this right? Everyone can see the timeline in different perspectives. We need to hurry up and petition for that published timeline haha
Regarding the Wakanda Civil War credits scene, we didn't really see it as a mistake, because there's numerous potential explanations. For example, the comic seems to imply that in the "weeks" since Civil War, they have been trying to come up with a solution for Bucky but haven't found something yet, and have come to the conclusion that for now, the best option is to freeze him. So, in Black Panther, either Bucky has already arrived in Wakanda and Shuri has been trying to come up with a solution, or she's been told about Bucky and that she'll be having to work on him. With the beginning of the film seemingly - and as synopses have said - being T'Challa's first return to Wakanda after his father's death, and the comic saying "weeks later", we decided that it should place after the film, and not before or during the first half.
Also, on my second viewing, I too caught the 10:24 in Fury's car. I didn't catch the clock in Scotland - I can see where it is, from going to that scene on an online version - it's immediately after the Q-ship in Edinburgh flies away. But the angle is very hard to see, and the online versions have the clock-face looking too bright.
Something else that I noticed this time, which weirdly, I hadn't thought of before, was specifics about Thor's hair. It's almost exactly the same as in Ragnarok, including the streaks on the side of his head from Stan Lee's bad haircutting skills. This would also suggest it's been very little time since the events of the film. It's possible that Asgardian hair grows slower than humans, but yeah, just another point there.
I've been doing time zone working and working out the rough timings for all the Infinity War and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. scenes to see how it fits together and where the divides are between days.
The Episode 20 notes are not particularly firmly timed, because there is no next milestone to match it with, like a sunrise to stretch the night's events across - it's just working forwards from the previous timings.
Also, the timings come from an assumption of January 10th-11th, considering it doesn't seem like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. can be later than early January. With Tony's phone saying it's Wednesday, and the S.H.I.E.L.D. events picking up a few days prior in early January, then the earliest it can be is January 10th. So that's the date I used for the timings, with it being the only date I can see working - plus, it's closer to Ragnarok. The sunrise and sunset times would be slightly different depending on the time of year, though, if it were a bit later than January 10th-11th.
And as much as I wish I could accept the junior novelization as proof, I can't bring myself to. I think recently the Spiderman Junior novel reinforces the 8 years claim and that also turned out to be false. And also I think in the Thor: The Dark World novelization, Frigga survives the Dark Elves, deviating extremely from the movie's plot. So I personally can't trust those things in the slightest.
The junior novel actually said five years, which is almost correct, and can be taken as a bit of rounding. But yeah, the novelisations often contradict events.
I'm definitely in the Iron Man 3 is set in 2012 camp, because of all the dialogue and the way it fits in with The Avengers and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. But, right on cue, Marvel have actually just confirmed Iron Man 3 takes place in 2012. This book, this page.
I always slightly worry with these things that me not reading these books means I'm missing something. What if they have a timeline mention on other pages? But it's great to have confirmation.
And if you wanna get really technical, it takes place (the present day scenes) in 2012 and 2013. New Year's Eve 2012 to New Year's Day 2013. There. Now everyone wins.
"We think of our last few episodes taking place during the film," co-showrunner Jed Whedon said when presented with our math. "You're free to worry about anything you want to worry about," he chuckled, "but for us, really, [Episodes] 19 through 22 are pretty much one day."
While it's pretty obvious now, AoS show runner confirms the last four episodes parallel IW fully, covering the 24 hour period or so of the film, more or less, and confirming our theory.
Jed Whedon said:
"We think of our last few episodes taking place during the film," co-showrunner Jed Whedon said when presented with our math. "You're free to worry about anything you want to worry about," he chuckled, "but for us, really, [Episodes] 19 through 22 are pretty much one day."
Okay, I will respond to this and this alone because we have had a pretty lengthy argument about this in the past, and whereas I do enjoy talking about it and hearing other points of view, I don't want to cluster up the chat with this (I am totally wiling to private chat about it though haha)
All of the evidence in the movie indicates it is in 2013. The newspaper date you mentioned is one of them, but there is another prop date as well. Jarvis says he was monitoring the heat signature in incidents over the past twelve months, Tony then pulls up a newspaper indicating that an article was written about it in October of 2013. All of the dialog indicates it is 2013 as well. Aldrich says he presented the idea to Tony 13 years ago, and since the year 2000 is printed all over that convention, in my mind, he means from 2000, but that argument can go either way. Also Tony: Don't tell me there is a twelve year old kid in the car I've never met Mia: He's thirteen. Nine months after conception would be September 2000, 13th birthday September 2013, making him 13 that December. I know there is no kid, and it is a joke, but there is no proof that can indicate to me that the point of the joke isn't actually "Hey, jerk, we actually slept together thirteen years ago. And the kid would be 13" And with so much talk about rounding on this forum, it seems really random to me that in this instance alone the thought of rounding up less than an hour to the year 2000 is so absurd.
Right, he didn't contradict or correct it due to the fact that it was an interview about Thor: The Dark World, so he talked about Thor: The Dark World. Why would he take up time in the interview promoting a new movie, talking about an old movie. And maybe he did, and they cut it do to irrelevance, we can't know.
Pepper did notice. Tony: "I messed up. My fault. I haven't been the same since New York." Pepper: "No kidding." Tony's delayed anxiety disorder hadn't manifested because his anxieties were being channeled into building his suits, preoccupying him. He acknowledges this in the movie. Tony: "I tinker, I do what I know, these suits, they're-" Pepper: "A distraction." Also, there is no set time for when a panic disorder can take effect, as one can go years before a specific event can cause the anxiety to surface. Also, I don't care how little he is sleeping, he built 6 suits between 2008 to 2012. With Jarvis. I'm not saying that 35 suits, most with unique functions such as stealth, radiation, deep sea, etc etc, in a year and a half is incredibly realistic, but it is about three times more realistic than six months.
In my deduction, that is due to SHIELD being scattered in order to find Coulson around that time, as Fury had put all his resources into finding Coulson and they had multiple units around the globe trying to find him, the map in the episode after "The Bridge" shows just how seriously they were taking the manhunt. And you can barely use the, why wasn't this mentioned argument because that is just the nature of the beast with this universe. If we're just discussing Iron Man 3, no TV shows, where was SHIELD at all when the president was kidnapped, he was in danger but they didn't lift a finger. Why? It's not like SHIELD wasn't around before the TV show, they should have stepped in. But because they didn't, we don't assume SHIELD isn't around, just that they were somewhere else.
They are mentioned, albeit subtly, Simmons in Seeds Refers to AIM and Centipede in the same breath as recent events. And also, think the cure. SHIELD and Tony both had a "We need to stabilize Extremis problem" So by the 2012 logic: Tony stabilized Extremis before SHIELD started, Coulson knew about Extremis but didn't know there was a cure (Why?), and SHIELD still had to stabilize Extremis themselves even though Tony had already done it but didn't tell them because he hates saving lives. But the 2013 route: In the Bridge Fitz and Simmons tell Mike: "We're really curious how they stabilized the Extremis in you" to which Mike replies "Oh, that was you guys. Your serum." So to me, it makes more sense that SHIELD would have given the already figured out stabilization formula to Tony for Pepper, rather than Tony stabilizing Pepper and just throwing away the formula forever.
Also, and I think I'm alone on this, but the idea of a high ranking SHIELD operative (Garret) who has gotten his hands on everything from super soldier serum, Chitauri metal, etc etc through black market means getting his hands on a government funded think tank serum such as Extremis isn't super far fetched to me. And the idea of Coulson knowing about a government funded think tank serum is also not that ridiculous. It's listed in government intel. Especially since Coulson is the ONLY one on the team who knows what Extremis is. And you would think that the two scientists on the team would have at least heard about that, considering it was used to kidnap the president and it was all over the news. Which even when they encounter the Extremis, there is no mention, from anyone including Coulson that it was used less than a year ago to kidnap Ellis. Which is weird. Maybe because that hasn't happened yet.
But again, there's no need to blow up the forum here, because I don't think we are going to change each others minds, I will gladly PM about it though if you want. I just wanted to respond at least once, I didn't want it to seem like I was ignoring your side of the argument, because it is well thought out and I appreciate you responding at all. We just see it differently. Which I guess is the fun of all this right? Everyone can see the timeline in different perspectives. We need to hurry up and petition for that published timeline haha
No blowing up involved, and you've made a well researched and convincing argument, but again, I think it's pretty clear what the intent was. It's all a matter of perspective.
The junior novel actually said five years, which is almost correct, and can be taken as a bit of rounding. But yeah, the novelisations often contradict events.
Thank you!
I'm definitely in the Iron Man 3 is set in 2012 camp, because of all the dialogue and the way it fits in with The Avengers and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. But, right on cue, Marvel have actually just confirmed Iron Man 3 takes place in 2012. This book, this page.
I always slightly worry with these things that me not reading these books means I'm missing something. What if they have a timeline mention on other pages? But it's great to have confirmation.
Dude, the level of detail in the research you do is incredible. It makes me look like an amateur. DE23111's detailed research (even if I disagree with his IM3 conclusions) is also insanely detailed. The community as a whole is why this timeline is as detailed and pored over as it is. It would be riddled with mistakes without you guys and the input and corrections and suggestions and reasoning and details caught that I miss are invaluable.
And please don't take my timeline debates personally. While I do so passionately, I never want or intend debates and arguments to be taken personal. I know tempers flare, mine especially, but ultimately it's all in good fun based around a universe we all clearly love and obsess over, and I really do value the community aspect and input of this project.
Ultimately I really need to begin on a detailed breakdown of WHY things are placed as they are, using all the detailed evidence provided in the films, shows, comics, and shorts, especially to explain where and why my timeline somewhat deviates from the onscreen one established with IM2's six months later tag to align with Avengers in 2012 and IM2/IH/Thor having to occur a year before, in 2011, and the various other explanations for timeline discrepancies.
Nope, just one day, see link at beginning of my novel length post.
Jed Whedon confirms the final four episodes cover around a 24 hour period paralleling Infinity War. You should see people start disappearing at end of next week's season finale... presumably. I mean they sort of have to. They went out of their way to mention Thanos and events of attack on New York, and while I haven't watched last night's episode yet, the preview for it from end of last week's episode indicated this episode picked up soon after previous one, likely in morning or midday Eastern time (I think Talbot's family lives in Virginia but could be wrong), before Thanos' army arrives and the battle in Wakanda begins. Probably around same time, or soon after, the Avengers HQ scene with Rhodes and Ross. And presumably next week's final episode will parallel that battle in Wakanda and the battle between Thanos and various characters on Titan, and end with some of the agents turning dust.
It'd also be amazingly cool if somehow a Captain Marvel icon appeared on a computer screen on the bus or at the Lighthouse to tie in with IW's post credit scene without directly spoiling it for those who haven't seen the film... well, beyond the Captain Marvel icon, which admittedly is pretty big but it'd make sense thematically and offer a sort of full circle ending for Coulson if he does indeed die next episode. In terms of his first big mission (reportedly he's a rookie or newer agent in Captain Marvel) that largely set him on his path originating largely with Captain Marvel, the season ending with that appearing onscreen amidst the emotional devastation of agents turning to dust but buoyed by the hope of CM coming to save the day in A4 has a nice symmetry to it, and both foreshadows and falls back both CM and A4.
It also remains to be seen if the show will be renewed for Season 6 (we'll probably find out for sure at ABC's upfront in a couple days, if not sooner).
