Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

Did we agree that conclusively was the cross-over and not just a co-incidence? The fact that there was previously an inhuman in Hong Kong before DS means there could easily have been another

Pretty sure it was intended as reference to events of Doctor Strange. I could be wrong but thought one of the showrunners/writers confirmed that.

 

[selfishmisery]

Huh? Can you elaborate?

The first part: I suggested moving the New Warrior episodes to early 2018 in the timeline, but it's up to you.


Second part: The flashback in SHIELD 4x08 said Robbie became Ghost Rider "5 years ago". It's still listed under 2011, despite the episode taking place mostly in 2017.

 

[DE23111]

Pretty sure it was intended as reference to events of Doctor Strange. I could be wrong but thought one of the showrunners/writers confirmed that.

I couldn't find anything confirming it. Who would report the disturbances? I get the "blue skinned killers" part of the line. That was season 3. But who would report the events of Doctor Strange? He reversed time at the end of it, no one should remember the Hong Kong battle....right?

Maybe he just reversed time in Hong Kong? Like the reports of the disturbances had already gone out before he reversed everyone in the city's memories? He can clearly direct it, as demonstrated with the apple, so maybe word got out before he fixed it? Does the world remember and Hong Kong doesn't? How was this not a bigger question? Time narratives just make everything difficult.

 

[TalonCard]

IIRC, the sling ring portal that Kaecilius and his disciples open when they arrive in Hong Kong causes one car to disappear. And while the time reversal prevented Dormammu's damage, it's possible that intelligence services were aware of cult activity in the area. (I don't think the robe-wearing Strange, etc, were completely in the mirror dimension the entire time.)

TC

 

[dsethlewis]

I'll check them out and make a determination.

Any thoughts on adding the Meacham interview? I agree with marcellok that the Wing Way video is out-of-universe, unless someone wants to argue that Colleen managed to somehow perfectly replicate footage from the show.

 

[DIrishB]

The first part: I suggested moving the New Warrior episodes to early 2018 in the timeline, but it's up to you.

Second part: The flashback in SHIELD 4x08 said Robbie became Ghost Rider "5 years ago". It's still listed under 2011, despite the episode taking place mostly in 2017.[/QUOTE]

Will fix for that.

IIRC, the sling ring portal that Kaecilius and his disciples open when they arrive in Hong Kong causes one car to disappear. And while the time reversal prevented Dormammu's damage, it's possible that intelligence services were aware of cult activity in the area. (I don't think the robe-wearing Strange, etc, were completely in the mirror dimension the entire time.)

TC

This is how I interpreted it. Figure the advanced Stark tech SHIELD uses may have played a role, or simply put there were reports that went out BEFORE Strange showed up and did his time whammy...?

Any thoughts on adding the Meacham interview? I agree with marcellok that the Wing Way video is out-of-universe, unless someone wants to argue that Colleen managed to somehow perfectly replicate footage from the show.

Yeah I'll add that in. Gonna try to sit down and get the GotG 1 adaptation and Spidey-Homecoming prequel adaptation (of Civil War) done this weekend so I'll add that stuff in then.

 

[Lebnyx]

This was already mentioned before, but I did some math regarding when Doctor Strange would take place, using these two interviews as reference:



http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/doctor-strange-scott-derrickson/

Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) spends about "three to six months" in recovery from his accident.

[video=youtube;pYxmUMCNxCo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYxmUMCNxCo[/video]


If he recovers for three to six months as said in the former interview, that means that he recovers until some point between May and August 2016 (going from the February 2, 2016 date in Strange's watch before the car crash). Unrealistic of course, but maybe medical technology in the MCU is advanced enough that that could happen.

In the latter interview, at 1:27 in, Mikkelsen says that Strange had trained for nine months by the time he encounters Kaecilius. If that's accurate, that means that the second half of the movie would take at some point between February and May 2017. Since it's snowing in New York in the scene where the Ancient One dies, it's unlikely to take place any later than March.


Working backwards from there, this means that, going from the two interviews, the timeline for the movie would go like this:

-February 2, 2016: Car accident.
-May or June 2016: Strange meets Pangborn, goes to Kathmandu and finds Kamar-Taj, then trains for the next nine months.
-February or March 2017: Strange encounters Kaecilius, then fights and defeats him.
-(?) 2017: Strange meets Thor, events of Thor: Ragnarok.

I know about the closeup on the cracked watch face showing/implying the date of January 2017 when Strange is in Kathmandu, but maybe the car accident screwed up the watch to the point where it stopped telling the accurate time, and he didn't get it fixed?

We may get more concrete info on how long Strange trained for in Ragnarok, Infinity War, or any Doctor Strange sequels though, so I'm just posting this as a possible suggestion until then.

 

[DIrishB]

This was already mentioned before, but I did some math regarding when Doctor Strange would take place, using these two interviews as reference:



http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/doctor-strange-scott-derrickson/



[video=youtube;pYxmUMCNxCo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYxmUMCNxCo[/video]


If he recovers for three to six months as said in the former interview, that means that he recovers until some point between May and August 2016 (going from the February 2, 2016 date in Strange's watch before the car crash). Unrealistic of course, but maybe medical technology in the MCU is advanced enough that that could happen.

In the latter interview, at 1:27 in, Mikkelsen says that Strange had trained for nine months by the time he encounters Kaecilius. If that's accurate, that means that the second half of the movie would take at some point between February and May 2017. Since it's snowing in New York in the scene where the Ancient One dies, it's unlikely to take place any later than March.


Working backwards from there, this means that, going from the two interviews, the timeline for the movie would go like this:

-February 2, 2016: Car accident.
-May or June 2016: Strange meets Pangborn, goes to Kathmandu and finds Kamar-Taj, then trains for the next nine months.
-February or March 2017: Strange encounters Kaecilius, then fights and defeats him.
-(?) 2017: Strange meets Thor, events of Thor: Ragnarok.

I know about the closeup on the cracked watch face showing/implying the date of January 2017 when Strange is in Kathmandu, but maybe the car accident screwed up the watch to the point where it stopped telling the accurate time, and he didn't get it fixed?

We may get more concrete info on how long Strange trained for in Ragnarok, Infinity War, or any Doctor Strange sequels though, so I'm just posting this as a possible suggestion until then.

Well done. It can also be safely assumed the watch face, when shown in Kathmandu, since the glass watch face is broken, it stands to reason the force of it being stomped on/broken may have caused it to reflect inaccurate dates.

 

[DIrishB]

Added the GotG Vol. 2 - Prelude (adaptation of first movie), Spider-Man - Homecoming Prelude (adaptation of Civil War), the Joy and Ward Meachum NY Bulletin Special Report, and moved the flashbacks from AoS 4x06 back to 2012, and bit of rearranging for Doctor Strange's chapters. Also added tentative placements for the Thor - Ragnarok: Prelude (which adapts Incredible Hulk) and New Warriors TV show.

 

[Captain Canuck]

GotG Vol. 2 - Prelude (adaptation of first movie),
Spider-Man - Homecoming Prelude (adaptation of Civil War),
Thor - Ragnarok: Prelude (which adapts Incredible Hulk)

Are these worthwhile? By which I mean, do they add anything new that sets up the new stories or have they just made comic adaptations of old movies and marketed them as preludes for new movies?

 

[wyokid]

Are these worthwhile? By which I mean, do they add anything new that sets up the new stories or have they just made comic adaptations of old movies and marketed them as preludes for new movies?

Spider-Man is both an adaptation and adds some new stuff. Basically where he was before and after. It just furthered my belief that Marvel as a comic company may be unsalvageable.

 

[TSchweibz]

Are these worthwhile? By which I mean, do they add anything new that sets up the new stories or have they just made comic adaptations of old movies and marketed them as preludes for new movies?

Usually a two-parter prelude to an upcoming movie is released, which is just an adaptation, but then an infinite comic is also released that adds to the story and sets up the upcoming movie as a true prelude should. Although, if the movie is introducing a brand new character, like Ant-Man or Doctor Strange, the three comics released usually all act as "true preludes."

 

[Lebnyx]

New Spider-Man: Homecoming stills and information:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/64s8w4/new_stills_of_spiderman_footage_scroll_through/

https://twitter.com/tomhsource/status/851842109489524736

Spoiler

According to this image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9JhVNzW0AAIioF.jpg, the scene of Tony and Peter talking in the car happens 48 hours after something (the description says it's 48 hours after the airport fight).

I guess that confirms the movie picking up immediately after Civil War.

 

[DIrishB]

New Spider-Man: Homecoming stills and information:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/64s8w4/new_stills_of_spiderman_footage_scroll_through/

https://twitter.com/tomhsource/status/851842109489524736

Spoiler

According to this image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9JhVNzW0AAIioF.jpg, the scene of Tony and Peter talking in the car happens 48 hours after something (the description says it's 48 hours after the airport fight).

I guess that confirms the movie picking up immediately after Civil War.

That's cool. We know for sure that limo scene occurs 48 hours after the airport fight in Civil War, but hopefully there is a flashforward of several months (skipping over summer and early into the next school year) to explain the Homecoming dance (which usually happen early in school year, September-October usually). Or it's just another screw up...

 

[Lebnyx]

That's cool. We know for sure that limo scene occurs 48 hours after the airport fight in Civil War, but hopefully there is a flashforward of several months (skipping over summer and early into the next school year) to explain the Homecoming dance (which usually happen early in school year, September-October usually). Or it's just another screw up...

I'm almost positive there will be a flashforward: in this video, at 1:37, Feige says that after Peter met the Avengers, he had a summer vacation before going back to school.

Also, someone on Reddit noted that a set photo shows Spider-Man in Germany the night after the airport fight. I don't know if it's a sure thing yet (it's possible that the scene takes place in New York but was filmed in Germany), but if it is, then that further supports the idea of the opening of Homecoming taking place after/overlapping Civil War.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm almost positive there will be a flashforward: in this video, at 1:37, Feige says that after Peter met the Avengers, he had a summer vacation before going back to school.

Also, someone on Reddit noted that a set photo shows Spider-Man in Germany the night after the airport fight. I don't know if it's a sure thing yet (it's possible that the scene takes place in New York but was filmed in Germany), but if it is, then that further supports the idea of the opening of Homecoming taking place after/overlapping Civil War.

Hopefully so! Still, hoping we don't see any years on props or anything placing it in 2017, since Civil War definitively occurs in 2016 (with this presumably picking up few month later--for bulk of film anyway).

 

[DIrishB]

So, I'm finally going to begin my rewatch of Agents of SHIELD starting this weekend. I'm going to post notes as I progress.

One thing unlikely to change is Season 1's placement as the "all winter" comment in AoS 2x01 and October date in Winter Soldier dispute the idea Season 1 ran from 2013 to 2014 (instead just occurring over latter portion of 2013). AoS Seasons 2-3 will likely not be receiving some fixing/adjusting. We'll see.

 

[DE23111]

I'm excited to see what you find. I think you'll notice that a lot more time passes than you initially thought. I look forward to comparing your notes to mine. I'm currently on Season 3 myself. Just remember that Dark World date, buddy.

 

[selfishmisery]

I'm excited to see what you find. I think you'll notice that a lot more time passes than you initially thought. I look forward to comparing your notes to mine. I'm currently on Season 3 myself. Just remember that Dark World date, buddy.

 

[DE23111]

Solid contribution.