Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[Donutman]

I see an issue with adding the Colleen one, since it is clearly using footage from the show itself. Among others, the shot of her breaking her wooden dummy's bar off.

Yes, i normally use the rule, that if it includes re-used footage from the show itself, it's more a trailer then extra material. But this time, they made a video with both new material as old footage. It's hard to believe she filmed herself, as the camera is even moving...
But the rest of the video could easily be a in-universe promotion for the Dojo.

As for the team Thor video's, i don't understand why some people see this as canon. But to each his own.

 

[DIrishB]

Yes, i normally use the rule, that if it includes re-used footage from the show itself, it's more a trailer then extra material. But this time, they made a video with both new material as old footage. It's hard to believe she filmed herself, as the camera is even moving...
But the rest of the video could easily be a in-universe promotion for the Dojo.

I'll check them out and make a determination.

As for the team Thor video's, i don't understand why some people see this as canon. But to each his own.

It's wyo. He's just being wyo.

 

[Donutman]

It's wyo. He's just being wyo.

Damn, should have noticed that

 

[Lebnyx]

I've been thinking about this recently:

Judging from how a certain amount of MCU material jumps around across timezones (for example, The Avengers and Civil War both feature events taking place 12.5 and 14 timezones away from each other, respectively; I think this happens with Agents of SHIELD as well), certain scenes, even if they might take place before other scenes which are several timezones behind, might be listed as happening as a day afterwards, due to the timezone differences.



Here's a hypothetical example of what I'm talking about, with hypothetical scenes ocurring in New York and in Beijing:

May 20:
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:10:05-0:13:46) (3:00 p.m. in New York)
Movie Title Chapter 5: "Chapter Title" (0:15:28-0:18:55) (9:00 p.m. in New York, Character B in this timezone hears a call from Beijing in their answering machine)

May 21:
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:13:47-0:15:27) (4:00 a.m. in Beijing, Character A in this timezone calls New York)

This sequence of events wouldn't really make sense from a chronological standpoint.



Considering this, for the purposes of the chronological cut of the MCU, would it be more convenient to list dates for events as if they were being observed from the the US, while specifying for timezone differences?

Here's said hypothetical example if it was listed this way:

May 20:
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:10:05-0:13:46)
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:13:47-0:15:27) (May 21 in Beijing)
Movie Title Chapter 5: "Chapter Title" (0:15:28-0:18:55)



Just a suggestion.

 

[DIrishB]

I've been thinking about this recently:

Judging from how a certain amount of MCU material jumps around across timezones (for example, The Avengers and Civil War both feature events taking place 12.5 and 14 timezones away from each other, respectively; I think this happens with Agents of SHIELD as well), certain scenes, even if they might take place before other scenes which are several timezones behind, might be listed as happening as a day afterwards, due to the timezone differences.



Here's a hypothetical example of what I'm talking about, with hypothetical scenes ocurring in New York and in Beijing:

May 20:
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:10:05-0:13:46) (3:00 p.m. in New York)
Movie Title Chapter 5: "Chapter Title" (0:15:28-0:18:55) (9:00 p.m. in New York, Character B in this timezone hears a call from Beijing in their answering machine)

May 21:
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:13:47-0:15:27) (4:00 a.m. in Beijing, Character A in this timezone calls New York)

This sequence of events wouldn't really make sense from a chronological standpoint.



Considering this, for the purposes of the chronological cut of the MCU, would it be more convenient to list dates for events as if they were being observed from the the US, while specifying for timezone differences?

Here's said hypothetical example if it was listed this way:

May 20:
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:10:05-0:13:46)
Movie Title Chapter 4: "Chapter Title" (0:13:47-0:15:27) (May 21 in Beijing)
Movie Title Chapter 5: "Chapter Title" (0:15:28-0:18:55)



Just a suggestion.

That's basically approach I take. While I account for the time zone differences (whenever possible), I use the main focus of the plot's setting to determine overall time zone used. Basically, for AoS episodes, it's time zone (or assumed time zones since we don't know which zone it's in) of the base. That applies to the films as well, though in Civil War's case it's just using the US time zones as basis.

 

[DIrishB]

Looks like Spider-Man Homecoming will open a day or so after the events of first Avengers, as well as show how Peter got to Europe in Civil War and what he did after in Europe:

"The film literally begins in the shadow of Stark Tower, now with its trademark "A" still hanging on. Michael Keaton's Toomes has arrived with his boys to begin the clean-up process, a nice little contract he's picked up for his salvage business, only to be stopped by the Department of Damage Control (a nod to the classic Marvel comic series) who are taking over the clean up and send Toomes away. Following that, and the Sony and Marvel logos, things will jump into the middle of Civil War, just after Tony Stark has recruited Peter to his side of the fight. A montage will show Peter's exploits in leaving New York, riding on a private jet to Germany, and taking place in the big airport fight. We'll also see what he did right after that, hanging around in Europe… literally, as he explores the world in his brand-new Spider-Man suit."

 

[wyokid]

It's wyo. He's just being wyo.

I'm not shootposting, I'm being serious. What justification is there to not make them canon? As long as Rognorak doesn't contradict it they show where Thor and Banner were during Civil War, they add more to Thor being on Earth, and are hilarious. This isn't like the Coke ad where it's completely pointless and shilling a product and were made with not just the actors, but with the director of Ragnorak. Tbh, this was my first time sharing this opinion and haven't had any other, what justifications are there in excluding them?

 

[wyokid]

The best part is this is legitimate advertising.

 

[Lebnyx]

Here's an article regarding Spider-Man's origin in the MCU, and it contains a relevant bit:

Kevin Feige was on hand to introduce the footage, and he explained how Peter Parker got to the MCU. It's simple, really. He's always been there!

"The idea, is this: he's been there the whole time. Peter Parker was 5 when Tony Stark said 'I'm Iron Man.' He was 9 when aliens showed up in New York City, battling the Avengers. And then he was bitten by a radioactive spider…"

Assuming Homecoming takes place in fall of 2016, this might cause continuity issues if he's in 10th grade (age 15-16), but at least it confirms that The Avengers is considered to take place 4 years after Iron Man, like the movies' release date in real life, and supports the Vision's statement in Civil War.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm not shootposting, I'm being serious. What justification is there to not make them canon? As long as Rognorak doesn't contradict it they show where Thor and Banner were during Civil War, they add more to Thor being on Earth, and are hilarious. This isn't like the Coke ad where it's completely pointless and shilling a product and were made with not just the actors, but with the director of Ragnorak. Tbh, this was my first time sharing this opinion and haven't had any other, what justifications are there in excluding them?

The fact they're obvious parody films, and fact that canonically, Thor and Hulk disappeared from Earth soon after Age of Ultron. Hence Ross' line in Civil War that those two were missing in the scene in Civil War.

 

[DIrishB]

Here's an article regarding Spider-Man's origin in the MCU, and it contains a relevant bit:





Assuming Homecoming takes place in fall of 2016, this might cause continuity issues if he's in 10th grade (age 15-16), but at least it confirms that The Avengers is considered to take place 4 years after Iron Man, like the movies' release date in real life, and supports the Vision's statement in Civil War.

There was a prop ticket to the Homecoming dance an extra posted on Twitter or something that had the dance occurring in September, 2017.

Course, Homecoming itself may never show that ticket so we may not get confirmation on the year, but generally the films occur in year they're released. Depends on if he's still a sophomore in Homecoming. Also depends on if he was a freshman or sophomore in Civil War. I can't remember if that was established. Was it said he was 15 in Civil War? I can't remember. If he's born in 2003, Iron Man in 2008 (when he's 5), Avengers in 2012 (when he's 9), Civil War in 2016 (when he's 13??? Yeah... that doesn't work... maybe just recently turned 14 at that point?), Homecoming in 2017, (little over a year later when he's 15?). I don't know at this point.

If it's directly stated Peter was 15 in Civil War, and still 15 in Homecoming, unless obvious dates put it in 2017 I can move it to September, 2016 (about five months after events of Civil War). We'll see once Homecoming releases if they specifically reference his age.

 

[wyokid]

The fact they're obvious parody films, and fact that canonically, Thor and Hulk disappeared from Earth soon after Age of Ultron. Hence Ross' line in Civil War that those two were missing in the scene in Civil War.

Banner was also missing when he was chilling out in Brazil. There's no reason these can't be canon.

 

[Lebnyx]

There was a prop ticket to the Homecoming dance an extra posted on Twitter or something that had the dance occurring in September, 2017.

Course, Homecoming itself may never show that ticket so we may not get confirmation on the year, but generally the films occur in year they're released. Depends on if he's still a sophomore in Homecoming. Also depends on if he was a freshman or sophomore in Civil War. I can't remember if that was established. Was it said he was 15 in Civil War? I can't remember. If he's born in 2003, Iron Man in 2008 (when he's 5), Avengers in 2012 (when he's 9), Civil War in 2016 (when he's 13??? Yeah... that doesn't work... maybe just recently turned 14 at that point?), Homecoming in 2017, (little over a year later when he's 15?). I don't know at this point.

If it's directly stated Peter was 15 in Civil War, and still 15 in Homecoming, unless obvious dates put it in 2017 I can move it to September, 2016 (about five months after events of Civil War). We'll see once Homecoming releases if they specifically reference his age.

Here's a couple of links to that ticket:

http://imgur.com/r/marvelstudios/hfkqJ

https://twitter.com/abouttomholland/status/766242035913359360

The ticket gives the date as being on Friday, September 23, but it doesn't give a date for the year.


Kevin Feige and Jon Watts have both stated in interviews that he's 15:

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/30/marvel-president-kevin-feige-says-next-spider-man-movie-will-be-/

"It's a Peter Parker story, and has more opportunity to be focused on the story of a 15 year-old kid going to high school," he said.

http://screenertv.com/movies/jon-watts-marvel-spider-man-age-revealed/

"We're really going to see Peter Parker in high school and get deeper into that side of it," director Jon Watts tells Empire Magazine. "He's just 15 now."

Watts also said that he's in the 10th grade:

http://movieweb.com/spiderman-homecoming-vulture-comic-con-video/

"It's a straight-up high school movie, about a 15-year old kid. We know what it's like to be a billionaire playboy inventor. We learned what it's like to be an alien God... We're going to learn what it's like to be kid in 10th grade going through puberty."

Maybe Feige miscalculated what Peter's age would have been during the events of Iron Man and The Avengers? In any case, if Homecoming doesn't state what age he was at the time of both those movies, then we probably don't need to worry about it.


Nothing is said about his age in Civil War though, so we should probably wait to see if anything is said in Homecoming about how long ago it took place.

 

[Lebnyx]

I found this on Reddit, from the new episode of Agents of SHIELD:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/63j3u6/spoilers_papers_from_coulsons_folder/

It features a calendar of May 2016. Maybe this might be relevant for placing certain episodes/events of the show?

 

[DIrishB]

Looks like a New Warriors on Freeform will likely also be set in MCU.

Banner was also missing when he was chilling out in Brazil. There's no reason these can't be canon.

Yet Thor wasn't. Ross makes it clear the government doesn't know where either of them are. Given the advanced Stark tech and satellites they have access to, that doesn't make sense. Especially in light of the fact Thor is easily found living in that guy's apartment for anyone who watches YouTube. There are a multitude of reasons those shorts aren't canon, you just choose not to acknowledge them. Didn't his roommate move Mjolnir a bit while vaccuming? That's a likely indicator, besides the other obvious indicators. It's also deemed non-canon by every wiki entry I can find, so it seems to be a generally accepted idea.

Here's a couple of links to that ticket:

http://imgur.com/r/marvelstudios/hfkqJ

https://twitter.com/abouttomholland/status/766242035913359360

The ticket gives the date as being on Friday, September 23, but it doesn't give a date for the year.


Kevin Feige and Jon Watts have both stated in interviews that he's 15:

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/30/marvel-president-kevin-feige-says-next-spider-man-movie-will-be-/



http://screenertv.com/movies/jon-watts-marvel-spider-man-age-revealed/



Watts also said that he's in the 10th grade:

http://movieweb.com/spiderman-homecoming-vulture-comic-con-video/




Maybe Feige miscalculated what Peter's age would have been during the events of Iron Man and The Avengers? In any case, if Homecoming doesn't state what age he was at the time of both those movies, then we probably don't need to worry about it.


Nothing is said about his age in Civil War though, so we should probably wait to see if anything is said in Homecoming about how long ago it took place.

Thanks for clearing that up. If that's the case since the year isn't shown, it may be safe to place Homecoming in September, 2016, a few months after events of Civil War.

And yeah, guess Feige's math was off on how old Peter was when Iron Man 1 and Avengers occurred.

I found this on Reddit, from the new episode of Agents of SHIELD:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/63j3u6/spoilers_papers_from_coulsons_folder/

It features a calendar of May 2016. Maybe this might be relevant for placing certain episodes/events of the show?

Maybe, maybe not. Many are assuming it's an old calendar that he found as a subconscious reminder of Agent May. Plus, since we know AoS crossed over with Doctor Strange early in Season 4 (mention of the events in Hong Kong from DS), it's likely AoS is indeed now in Spring, 2017, not 2016.

Not to mention if it was indeed May, 2016, that would require the last few episodes of AoS Season 3 (that directly crossed over/mentioned events of Civil War), all of Season 4 to this point, and events latter portion of Doctor Strange would all have to occur within a month (April - May, 2016).

Think it's safe to assume it's an old calendar within the framework, and Coulson is just subconsciously remembering his real life, hence the various other reminders given in that scene relating to events from first four seasons and various characters encountered/known over that time.

 

[Zpdedoda]

Maybe, maybe not. Many are assuming it's an old calendar that he found as a subconscious reminder of Agent May. Plus, since we know AoS crossed over with Doctor Strange early in Season 4 (mention of the events in Hong Kong from DS), it's likely AoS is indeed now in Spring, 2017, not 2016

Did we agree that conclusively was the cross-over and not just a co-incidence? The fact that there was previously an inhuman in Hong Kong before DS means there could easily have been another

 

[Lebnyx]

Maybe, maybe not. Many are assuming it's an old calendar that he found as a subconscious reminder of Agent May. Plus, since we know AoS crossed over with Doctor Strange early in Season 4 (mention of the events in Hong Kong from DS), it's likely AoS is indeed now in Spring, 2017, not 2016.

Not to mention if it was indeed May, 2016, that would require the last few episodes of AoS Season 3 (that directly crossed over/mentioned events of Civil War), all of Season 4 to this point, and events latter portion of Doctor Strange would all have to occur within a month (April - May, 2016).

Think it's safe to assume it's an old calendar within the framework, and Coulson is just subconsciously remembering his real life, hence the various other reminders given in that scene relating to events from first four seasons and various characters encountered/known over that time.

Yeah, it's an old calendar. In the episode, Coulson found it in a folder alongside the other papers.

Although it's likely that it wasn't referring to any specific events in May 2016, but rather as a reminder of Agent May, like you said.

 

[selfishmisery]

Looks like a New Warriors on Freeform will likely also be set in MCU.

Does early 2018 sound about right?

Also, you planning on moving Robbie Reye's Ghost Rider origin flashback to 2012? Hint hint, "5 years ago".

 

[wyokid]

Looks like a New Warriors

Oh, hey, that could be

on Freeform will likely also be set in MCU.

Nevermind

 

[DIrishB]

I'm loving how Homecoming is mining the MCU canon.

Spoiler

Turns out the fan theory was correct and Shocker's gauntlets are modified versions of Crossbones gauntlets from Civil War. Apparently Toomes has acquired tech from the battles with Chitauri (Avengers), Dark Elves (Thor - The Dark World), Ultron (Avengers - Age of Ultron), and battle in Lagos (from CA - Civil War). That appeals to my inner continuity geek.

Does early 2018 sound about right?

Also, you planning on moving Robbie Reye's Ghost Rider origin flashback to 2012? Hint hint, "5 years ago".

Huh? Can you elaborate?