Captain Canuck
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I read a synopsis online for the episode '316' that
when some of the O6 get back to the island they meet Jin who is working for the Dharma initiative
Lost *spoilers*
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I read a synopsis online for the episode '316' that
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I have a feeling that they didn't run into anything dangerous, just same old jungle each flash. Though their story could make for a good flash back episode
I believe it because I remember the creators saying
they can't keep the characters apart for too long, since they work better together.
Sacred&Profane
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I unspoilered those spoilers because I'm retarded.
Damnit.
Damnit.
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Goodwill
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A good episode last night, a lot of shady business, but ultimately one that I felt was rushed a little.
The O6 are back on the island, but to get there some strange things "had" to happened. 1.) Kate asks Jack never to ask what she did with Aaron 2.) Ben is bloody and bruised when he arrives to the airport 3.) Hurley and Sayid unexpectably and unexplainably show up at the right time AND 4.) Frank Lapidus is the pilot of Ajira Air's flight 316. Oh, yea... Sayid's been taken into custody and an air marshall is accompanying him on the plane. And some random dude joined them, too.
This is what I had the most problem with. Why did all THAT much happen in one episode's time? Not only did they gloss over the fact that they have to get on a plane again and repeat the most momentous moment in Lost, but they cram in two new characters that'll likely turn out to be the season 5 equivalent to Nikki and Paulo. All of this will get ironed out I'm sure, but for an episode such as this I felt there needed to be something more... I know they are trying to stress the "believe the unbelievable" right now to create tension between Jack and Locke, but c'mon... Make an episode less like swiss cheese, especially since we're so close to the end game.
Anyway, don't want to hate too long -- this episode was still enjoyable.
Some speculation as to what happened to a couple of things...
1.) The Lamp Post Station. It was clear to me that Eloise wasn't a part of DHARMA, only that she had access to their stations and technology. I think that's important when trying to understand her and Ben and the rest of their affiliates. I like this and I liked the Lamp Post... I thought it was a lot to understand, especially for casual fans, but it does work in a unique way.
2.) Hurley. Whoever sprung him out of also told him about bringing something that'll help them recreate the exact moment they first crashed. He was able to get a guitar in memory of Charlie.
3.) Sayid. My guess is that him being escorted by an air marshal was most significant... And I'm guessing he was arrested because his dirty deeds caught up with him at last.
4.) I can't help but feel that Frank Lapidus got the axe this episode. Last pilot to fly these guys got eaten by the monster... I don't think he's safe.
5.) Ben wasn't on the plane originally, so what happened? I was most interested in this because I was under the impression he'd never be allowed back to the island... Interesting.
6.) Jack's grandfather was amusing, but hoping that we don't see him anymore.
Anyway, there might be more that I'm not getting at but whatever. This is long enough and something you guys can pick at.
The O6 are back on the island, but to get there some strange things "had" to happened. 1.) Kate asks Jack never to ask what she did with Aaron 2.) Ben is bloody and bruised when he arrives to the airport 3.) Hurley and Sayid unexpectably and unexplainably show up at the right time AND 4.) Frank Lapidus is the pilot of Ajira Air's flight 316. Oh, yea... Sayid's been taken into custody and an air marshall is accompanying him on the plane. And some random dude joined them, too.
This is what I had the most problem with. Why did all THAT much happen in one episode's time? Not only did they gloss over the fact that they have to get on a plane again and repeat the most momentous moment in Lost, but they cram in two new characters that'll likely turn out to be the season 5 equivalent to Nikki and Paulo. All of this will get ironed out I'm sure, but for an episode such as this I felt there needed to be something more... I know they are trying to stress the "believe the unbelievable" right now to create tension between Jack and Locke, but c'mon... Make an episode less like swiss cheese, especially since we're so close to the end game.
Anyway, don't want to hate too long -- this episode was still enjoyable.
Some speculation as to what happened to a couple of things...
1.) The Lamp Post Station. It was clear to me that Eloise wasn't a part of DHARMA, only that she had access to their stations and technology. I think that's important when trying to understand her and Ben and the rest of their affiliates. I like this and I liked the Lamp Post... I thought it was a lot to understand, especially for casual fans, but it does work in a unique way.
2.) Hurley. Whoever sprung him out of also told him about bringing something that'll help them recreate the exact moment they first crashed. He was able to get a guitar in memory of Charlie.
3.) Sayid. My guess is that him being escorted by an air marshal was most significant... And I'm guessing he was arrested because his dirty deeds caught up with him at last.
4.) I can't help but feel that Frank Lapidus got the axe this episode. Last pilot to fly these guys got eaten by the monster... I don't think he's safe.
5.) Ben wasn't on the plane originally, so what happened? I was most interested in this because I was under the impression he'd never be allowed back to the island... Interesting.
6.) Jack's grandfather was amusing, but hoping that we don't see him anymore.
Anyway, there might be more that I'm not getting at but whatever. This is long enough and something you guys can pick at.
Lynx
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My biggest gripe about last night's episode was that they introduced a ridiculous amount of new questions in the middle of the second-to-last season. I mean. . .was that really necessary? There is still plenty more to be answered, and now all of these have to be answered, too?
Ugh.
I still loved the episode and I am interested to see what happens to everyone and how everyone who wasn't with Jack got there. I'm just getting sick of all these questions with very few answers. Also, an interesting note. . .what's going to happen to Desmond? Eloise seemed sure that the Island wanted him back, but as we've learned, the rules don't really apply to Desmond. THAT was probably the best question brought up last night, rather then all these last minute ones.
Ugh.
I still loved the episode and I am interested to see what happens to everyone and how everyone who wasn't with Jack got there. I'm just getting sick of all these questions with very few answers. Also, an interesting note. . .what's going to happen to Desmond? Eloise seemed sure that the Island wanted him back, but as we've learned, the rules don't really apply to Desmond. THAT was probably the best question brought up last night, rather then all these last minute ones.
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Well you see their done with the flashes. Now they have to go back to the Flash Back/forward storytelling. And since forwards can't really fit now and back have either been all told or will just redundant, they need to create something more for us to find out in the flashbacks. I thought its a cool idea just to see them all on the flight even though we didn't know how they got there, because if gives us a more dynamic way to find out.
My problem is the pacing, I had it with the last episode and with this. "This Place is Death" was 3 episodes combined into one, this one was two episodes combined into one. Everything is really thrown off because of the shorter season. If they added 4 more episode before we got to this point I feel it would have been much better.
Still I loved Jack's story and how he takes things on faith but there's still that conflict. His scene with Locke and the shoes were great. Though I felt the story about the tennis shoes could have been much better if given more time. Still I'm really excited to finally see the inner workings of the Dharma Initiative
Also I'm sincerely concern for Desmond and Penny. Ben had such a great scene with the St Thomas story, really amazing. But then he said "I have to take care of a promise to an old friend" gave me chills.
My problem is the pacing, I had it with the last episode and with this. "This Place is Death" was 3 episodes combined into one, this one was two episodes combined into one. Everything is really thrown off because of the shorter season. If they added 4 more episode before we got to this point I feel it would have been much better.
Still I loved Jack's story and how he takes things on faith but there's still that conflict. His scene with Locke and the shoes were great. Though I felt the story about the tennis shoes could have been much better if given more time. Still I'm really excited to finally see the inner workings of the Dharma Initiative
Also I'm sincerely concern for Desmond and Penny. Ben had such a great scene with the St Thomas story, really amazing. But then he said "I have to take care of a promise to an old friend" gave me chills.
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thee great one
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I didn't realize he could be talking about Penny. Scary.
"We are not really going to Guam are we?" :lol:
That was the best part of the episode.
I don't think the plane crashed at all. I think they were just flashed out of it and the rest of the people were safe.
"What's going to happen to the rest of the people?"
"Who cares?"
Oh Ben you crazy jerk.
"We are not really going to Guam are we?" :lol:
That was the best part of the episode.
I don't think the plane crashed at all. I think they were just flashed out of it and the rest of the people were safe.
"What's going to happen to the rest of the people?"
"Who cares?"
Oh Ben you crazy jerk.
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This episode made me a little angry. On a show chock full of contrivances this one really pushed it.
Introducing Jack's badly-cast-for-being-too-young granddad out of nowhere for the first time just SCREAMED ,"oh, this scene is here purely to give Jack the thing from his dad he needs."
These contrivances are combined with the infuriating habit everyone has on this show of not communicating with each other, and no one caring.
"What happened to the child I helped you raise for years that I kinda love like my own?!!!"
"Don't ask."
"...uh, okay."
"Hurley, how did you wind up on this plane?"
"Does it matter?"
".....huh. well, since you put it that way."
It's stuff like that that make them all sound like characters on a tv show instead of people. And it's all clearly done to pad out the episode count cause we'll probably get a flashback episode for each maddeningly unanswered question from this one.
I've loved it this season, but this one just felt like a lot of bad writing.
Introducing Jack's badly-cast-for-being-too-young granddad out of nowhere for the first time just SCREAMED ,"oh, this scene is here purely to give Jack the thing from his dad he needs."
These contrivances are combined with the infuriating habit everyone has on this show of not communicating with each other, and no one caring.
"What happened to the child I helped you raise for years that I kinda love like my own?!!!"
"Don't ask."
"...uh, okay."
"Hurley, how did you wind up on this plane?"
"Does it matter?"
".....huh. well, since you put it that way."
It's stuff like that that make them all sound like characters on a tv show instead of people. And it's all clearly done to pad out the episode count cause we'll probably get a flashback episode for each maddeningly unanswered question from this one.
I've loved it this season, but this one just felt like a lot of bad writing.
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We still have approximately 3 story arcs to go... I'm okay with new questions. My girlfriend turned to me last week and said "This doesn't feel like LOST anymore" and I said "Why?" and she said "Because we are getting answers, not questions." This week she was not disappointed. I have no complaints about this episode because I know the unknowns that appeared will be answered. In reality we can probably come up with most of the answers ourselves (Charlie spoke to Hurley, told him to get on the plane. Ben got the **** kicked out of him by Desmond after probably killing Penny, spurring him to find Ben and the island again to exact revenge.)
A couple of theorys real fast.
Faraday built the pendulum? seems likely to me. I don't know if this is ever plausible time-line wise. If not, who else? Someone we don't know maybe.
Faraday is the son of Jack and Kate... this came up last night at my LOST Fan Club (A bunch of college students and the RD of the dorms sitting in the TV lounge watching it.) Kate is clearly pregnant and being Claire, that's the whole "re-creating the conditions" thing. Like Ben being in the bathroom the way Charlie was. If she has the baby in the seventies and sends it away with Eloise Hawking will we get a baby Faraday-Shepard?
These could be way off mark.
I'm still calling the series finale involving Jughead.
A couple of theorys real fast.
Faraday built the pendulum? seems likely to me. I don't know if this is ever plausible time-line wise. If not, who else? Someone we don't know maybe.
Faraday is the son of Jack and Kate... this came up last night at my LOST Fan Club (A bunch of college students and the RD of the dorms sitting in the TV lounge watching it.) Kate is clearly pregnant and being Claire, that's the whole "re-creating the conditions" thing. Like Ben being in the bathroom the way Charlie was. If she has the baby in the seventies and sends it away with Eloise Hawking will we get a baby Faraday-Shepard?
These could be way off mark.
I'm still calling the series finale involving Jughead.
Goodwill
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You make some great points. I agree with you that the flashbacks to how each of the Oceanic Six arrived for the flight will just be cushioning -- Hurley said it himself that it doesn't matter how he got there... So why'd they keep it a secret? I honestly don't care if Charlie came to speak to him and they are holding out for Dom Monaghan to come back. I don't.
We are getting somewhere, that is obvious, but it is clear that there will be unnessary digressions.
Also -- something cool that I was thinking about. I didn't know what a proxy was until I looked it up this morning. If you don't know, it's essentially a substitute for something significant. Locke, for instance, is standing in for Jack's dead father (which I thought was by far the most cool thing the episode set up), but who are the new characters standing in for? Well, turns out there are proxies other than Locke. I think the air marshal is the proxy of Ana Lucia... A female law enforcer, duh. The other guy who was on the plane I think will be Libby's proxy. I think she was an agent for Widmore and I think the same for him, too. It's no coincidence that they are throwing these new characters into the show. And lastly, Lapidus is the proxy for Seth Norris. That's another reason why I think he'll end up at the smoke monster's mercy.
Sacred&Profane
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Sadly, I agree.
This episode really rubbed me the wrong way.
They were making new mysteries- the only problem is that they're mysteries caused by blatantly skipping information that would've helped the scenes.
So now we'll have...what...flash-middles?
Captain Canuck
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okay, so i haven't watched it yet, and i didn't read all the posts for that reason, so if this has been talked about already or is way off, just shake your head and keep going.
But there is a station called the lamppost? does it have something to do with getting back to the island? if it does...a Narnia allusion?
But there is a station called the lamppost? does it have something to do with getting back to the island? if it does...a Narnia allusion?
Zombipanda
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So, um....
Jack and Kate and all them are willing to get on a commercial flight that goes over the island, knowing that them being there will very likely cause the flight to crash and strand or kill everyone else onboard.
Does that seem kosher to anybody?
Jack and Kate and all them are willing to get on a commercial flight that goes over the island, knowing that them being there will very likely cause the flight to crash and strand or kill everyone else onboard.
Does that seem kosher to anybody?
Grocer Man
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They could've just hired a boat to go out on a three hour tour.
(I still can't bring myself to watch Lost. Though I like to think the island is a camoflouged, abandoned alien spaceship.
thee great one
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Just cause they are the proxies, doesn't mean they will have the same fate on the island.
The verdict is out of the new guy since we haven't seen him do anything yet.
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I think the reason why Hurley and Kate didn't talk about it cause they saw something very messed up that coerced them onto the flight. I think Kate saw Claire or maybe even her father in a non dream like fashion or something and just doesn't want to talk about the experience. I'm betting Hurley saw Libby or someone that describes something terrible happening. I just can't picture Kate or Hurley wanting to talk about that experience with anyone really. We know Sun's motivation and it's understandable why Sayid didn't talk. So I can buy that.
Goodwill
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That's a good point, although at least for Frank I feel like he's dead. He's really a minor role, you know?
Captain Canuck
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oh man...i didn't even think about that!
I was so on the money with that one!captaincanuck65 said:
I didn't think it was a bad episode...probably the weakes of the season, but not terrible.
Best line definitely goes to Frank "Wait a minute...we're not going to Guam are we?" The 'aah crap!' look on his face was priceless!
Zombipanda
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I bet Kate gave Aaron to Claire's mom.
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That's a good idea, but I know Aaron's going to eventually end up on the island somehow, I just don't have a clue. Also I'm shock Walt didn't end up on the flight, I think it's about time they brought him back full time
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