Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

[Lynx]

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Where'd that come from?

I'm curious about that, too. If there's one character who I can't see as a villain, it's Hiro. I think everyone else has the capacity to be evil, or at least misguided, but not Hiro.

 

[DIrishB]

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Adam is one of it's founders. In fact, he's the one that got the Twelve together in the first place. That was already explained.

D'oh! I missed an episode earlier in the season (3rd or 4th I think), so I didn't know that.

As to whether or not he's still involved, I don't know. That's something we'll have to see if it plays out or not.

So this answered why Adam hasn't killed Hiro when he was a child - he was incarcerated.

That would explain away my theory...I suck at this. I leave it in the hands of the professionals.

So, the 12 we know of so far:

1. Charles Deveaux (probable dream-manipulation/prophecy)
2. Mr. Petrelli (probably no powers due to info in Web Comic)
3. Mrs. Petrelli (probably some powers due to both sons having power-no established abilities, possible dream-manipulation/prophecy)
4. Nakamura (no established abilities)
5. Parkman Sr. (nightmare induction, mind reading)
6. Adam Monroe (regenerative blood)
7. Bob (midas touch)
8. Linderman (healing touch)
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12.

As far as the final 4 go, I am guessing that Nichelle Nichol's character (DL's mother) might be one...maybe she was mind-wiped somewhere along the way? I am also guessing one was probably hispanic and related to the boring twins in some way. The other two could come out of anywhere. We are probably sure that Chandra Shuresh is NOT one of the 12, or else that would be a pretty good guess. The other thing that strikes me is that we have no indication many of them have powers, in fact we have some evidence that a few of them DON'T have powers. I wonder if the other 4 are non-powered and therefore not that important.

I wonder if Peter was getting his prophetic dreams NOT from Deveaux, but from his mother. If his mother is powered, then Peter should have a power from her. Peter's powers all have distinct origins, so she is either not powered or she has a power copy of someone else.

Also, rereading war buddies and seeing young Linderman makes me wonder if maybe he is descended from Adam Monroe somehow. They looked similar. Maybe Claire's mother is Adam's daughter? Or Linderman's?

Finally, the reuse of powers makes me wonder if maybe the power copies are there for a distinct purpose--some kind of law of opposition or something.

I don't know.

Interesting...very interesting...

If this series doesn't end (you know, after many years hopefully) without Hiro becoming the main villain, the whole thing will have been a waste.

I'm curious about that, too. If there's one character who I can't see as a villain, it's Hiro. I think everyone else has the capacity to be evil, or at least misguided, but not Hiro.

I'm pretty sure thats the point. I expect it would be an extremely unexpected twist by the majority of Heroes fans.

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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If this series doesn't end (you know, after many years hopefully) without Hiro becoming the main villain, the whole thing will have been a waste.

It would be interesting to say the least. He is such a classically black and white 'good guy', it would be easier to push him off the deep end into villainy and shock the viewers than say Nathan, or Niki.
I suppose after a few years, he might have gotten slightly more like Future-Hiro, very jaded and totally obsessed with the timeline to correct past mistakes. Something could happen that would set him off trying to to correct that event (maybe a death or something), but the other Heroes disagree with what he is doing, saying that changing history could lead to things getting worse than they are. Eventually he snaps and turns on them, maybe accidentally killing someone during the final argument, and that sends him over the edge. Bearing in mind that at this current point in the shows history, other than Peter, I would say Hiro is the most powerful of the others, it would be interesting to see him try and go back in time to stop Peter ever truly discovering his powers, and then taking on the rest of the group.

 

[Random]

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It would be interesting to say the least. He is such a classically black and white 'good guy', it would be easier to push him off the deep end into villainy and shock the viewers than say Nathan, or Niki.
I suppose after a few years, he might have gotten slightly more like Future-Hiro, very jaded and totally obsessed with the timeline to correct past mistakes. Something could happen that would set him off trying to to correct that event (maybe a death or something), but the other Heroes disagree with what he is doing, saying that changing history could lead to things getting worse than they are. Eventually he snaps and turns on them, maybe accidentally killing someone during the final argument, and that sends him over the edge. Bearing in mind that at this current point in the shows history, other than Peter, I would say Hiro is the most powerful of the others, it would be interesting to see him try and go back in time to stop Peter ever truly discovering his powers, and then taking on the rest of the group.

That would be cool, but like Hiro too much for his personality to change

 

[DIrishB]

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That would be cool, but like Hiro too much for his personality to change

Not necessarily. Look at the huge difference in personalities between Future Hiro and the present day version. The latter is still a happy, motivated, cheerful personality (for the most part). We've already seen a steady decrease in Hiro's naivete in just the first season and a half. An extremely tragic, unexpected, or unintended occurrence could push an already cynical, desperate, and paranoid Future Hiro over the edge. It would be really tragic, if done right. I can imagine Hiro turning out to be the Heroes universe version of Darth Vader. I don't mean with the black full body suit and whatnot--though he was already 90% of the way there in the few episodes his future version appeared in--but more in attitude and story parallels.

That would be cool, but like Hiro too much for his personality to change

I agree. If they're to go with a tragic spin on Hiro later on, it would have to be done extremely well to work, and not ruin the character completely.

 

[Lynx]

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MAJOR Spoilers about HRG/Noah Bennet:

Spoiler

He's going to get shot, just like the painting. However, it seems that he will be dragged away by Bob and Elle and healed with Claire's blood. However, it's not just going to revive him. It's going to heal his sight. It's symbolic. I'm assuming he has some sort of information that the Company needs.

HRG is dead. Long live Noah Bennet.

I got this from a set report for episodes 9 and 11, if you're wondering.

 

[DIrishB]

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MAJOR Spoilers about HRG/Noah Bennet:

Spoiler

He's going to get shot, just like the painting. However, it seems that he will be dragged away by Bob and Elle and healed with Claire's blood. However, it's not just going to revive him. It's going to heal his sight. It's symbolic. I'm assuming he has some sort of information that the Company needs.

HRG is dead. Long live Noah Bennet.

I got this from a set report for episodes 9 and 11, if you're wondering.

That sounds really cool. Though I fear for the loss of the old.

 

[Lynx]

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That sounds really cool. Though I fear for the loss of the old.

It does.

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Also, it sounds like the "alternate ending" is going to be us finding out about him being alive. I'm assuming they were going to be saving that for a later episode in Volume 3, but felt it'd be a good cliffhanger.

 

[DIrishB]

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It does.

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Also, it sounds like the "alternate ending" is going to be us finding out about him being alive. I'm assuming they were going to be saving that for a later episode in Volume 3, but felt it'd be a good cliffhanger.

Looking forward to it.

 

[bluebeast]

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It would be interesting to say the least. He is such a classically black and white 'good guy', it would be easier to push him off the deep end into villainy and shock the viewers than say Nathan, or Niki.
I suppose after a few years, he might have gotten slightly more like Future-Hiro, very jaded and totally obsessed with the timeline to correct past mistakes. Something could happen that would set him off trying to to correct that event (maybe a death or something), but the other Heroes disagree with what he is doing, saying that changing history could lead to things getting worse than they are. Eventually he snaps and turns on them, maybe accidentally killing someone during the final argument, and that sends him over the edge. Bearing in mind that at this current point in the shows history, other than Peter, I would say Hiro is the most powerful of the others, it would be interesting to see him try and go back in time to stop Peter ever truly discovering his powers, and then taking on the rest of the group.

Maybe Ando dying would push him over.

 

[DIrishB]

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Maybe Ando dying would push him over.

It couldn't help...

But seriously, I definitely can see that as a potential reason for Hiro's theoretical transformation from "black-and-white do-gooder" to "cynical anti-hero" to "self-righteous villain".

 

[Lynx]

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It couldn't help...

But seriously, I definitely can see that as a potential reason for Hiro's theoretical transformation from "black-and-white do-gooder" to "cynical anti-hero" to "self-righteous villain".

I think Hiro being a villain should be saved until the last or second to last season , if they did it at all. It should take several seasons for him to change into an anti-hero (Future Hiro) to a fully-fledged villain. And if and when he finally snapped, he'd need to be increadibly dangerous. His power would certainly allow for that. Hell, I'd wager even the all-powerful Peter Petrelli couldn't do anything if Hiro stopped time.

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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I could imagine an awesome set of episodes with the other heroes trying to stop Hiro from screwing with time before he can erase them, Peter following him to each time period. He could have some crazy delusions that if he killed character X, it would make the future better for everyone etc.

To keep in with the mystery of the show, an awesome way to do this would be in a season at some point BEFORE the season Hiro goes evil, have a dark version of Hiro appear and murder someone. Don't give away anything else until the evil-Hiro season and she him going back to kill that person...

 

[Planet-man]

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I'd just like to say that, storytelling merits aside, it would really, really suck if Hiro went evil. He's the most prominent one of the VERY few characters on the show who deserve their powers in my eyes.

Simple as that.

 

[Lynx]

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I'd just like to say that, storytelling merits aside, it would really, really suck if Hiro went evil. He's the most prominent one of the VERY few characters on the show who deserve their powers in my eyes.

Simple as that.

I suppose that is what would make it so tragic.

The show is a Drama, after all, right?

 

[Random]

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I could imagine an awesome set of episodes with the other heroes trying to stop Hiro from screwing with time before he can erase them, Peter following him to each time period. He could have some crazy delusions that if he killed character X, it would make the future better for everyone etc.

To keep in with the mystery of the show, an awesome way to do this would be in a season at some point BEFORE the season Hiro goes evil, have a dark version of Hiro appear and murder someone. Don't give away anything else until the evil-Hiro season and she him going back to kill that person...

I doubt that since his powers prevents him from creating a paradox

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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Well he can go back in time and affect things enough to stop Sylar from killing Claire, so whats to stop him going back and arranging things a little differently..

"Hello? Is that Mr Sylar? Go to such and such address.. I think you will like what you find there.."

*Sylar gets Peter/Claire/Nathan etc brains for dinner"

Or going back and stopping himself from meeting Peter in the subway, screwing up the Save The Cheerleader prophecy.

 

[Random]

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Well he can go back in time and affect things enough to stop Sylar from killing Claire, so whats to stop him going back and arranging things a little differently..

"Hello? Is that Mr Sylar? Go to such and such address.. I think you will like what you find there.."

*Sylar gets Peter/Claire/Nathan etc brains for dinner"

Or going back and stopping himself from meeting Peter in the subway, screwing up the Save The Cheerleader prophecy.

There's only so much he could do, remember when he tried to save the waitress chick? if he effects the past too much he'll be returned to the present and temporarily powerless

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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I don't think he was stripped of his powers due to trying to change history, I think that was more to do with him losing his confidence after not being able to save Charlie, so the whole quest to find the sword was in place to build up his confidence again.

 

[Random]

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I don't think he was stripped of his powers due to trying to change history, I think that was more to do with him losing his confidence after not being able to save Charlie, so the whole quest to find the sword was in place to build up his confidence again.

How do you lose confidence when you are about to save the chick and get with her. It really seems like fate stopped him from screwing too much with the time line and he was punished for it. I think he is only allowed to do so much when going into the past. But we'll see what happens when he tries to save his father.