Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

[Random]

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They completely left out what happened with Matt and his wife (Yes, we know, but still), how he hooked up with Mohinder and Molly, how Sylar wound up where he was, and how Noah and Mohinder decided to conspire against the Comapny. There was needless exposition with both Peter and Adam's storyline and Nikki and DL's storyline and the episode suffered for it. I also felt that the last scene with the boring twins was completely unnecessary.

OH, and we STILL don't know what Mama Petrelli's powers are. I'm going to assume it's Persuasion, but it's getting kind of ridiculous.

You know, you're right, there's a bunch left out. I assume they used Adam's blood to heal Sylar and the virus to stop his powers. Mohinder and Parkman are ones you could easily draw a conclusion from. But Mohinder and Bennet is something that needs explaining

 

[Lynx]

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You know, you're right, there's a bunch left out. I assume they used Adam's blood to heal Sylar and the virus to stop his powers. Mohinder and Parkman are ones you could easily draw a conclusion from. But Mohinder and Bennet is something that needs explaining

The big two I wanted an explanation for was Noah/Mohinder and Sylar. Hell, do we even know if Sylar was taken by the Company? And Noah and Mohinder hooking up was. . .well, out of the blue.

As for Matt, Mohinder and Molly. . .well, them hooking up makes sense. And we found out why Matt's divorcing his wife in a previous episode. But. . .how did Matt survive FOUR bullets to the chest? DL got lucky only being hit by one.

I'm guessing we'll find out more about Mohinder and Noah's alliance in one of the next two episodes, what with the kidnapping of Elle and Claire. And I'm going to assume whatever's going on with Sylar was to be the focus of Volume 3 (Which may or may not be Season 3).

Also, I'm pretty damn sure Bob is Elle's father at this point. And that it's basically a "What if?" look into what Noah and Claire's relationship could have been like. I'm also pretty sure that Noah's going to get shot and Claire's blood is going to save him.

Because, honestly, if they kill him, the show's going to lose one of its best (If not THE best) characters.

 

[moonmaster]

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The episode was decent, but it didn't really tell us much that we didn't already know. Kind of disappointing.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure Bob is Elle's father at this point. And that it's basically a "What if?" look into what Noah and Claire's relationship could have been like.

I read a huge article about Heroes in TV Guide last week (My sister subscribes to it for some reason.). There was a quote from Hayden Panetierre where she said that Elle is basically supposed to be the evil, bizarro version of Claire.

 

[Random]

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Hell, do we even know if Sylar was taken by the Company?

We can easily assume that because of illusion girl. What I find interesting is that the company's alliances seem to shift. In the first season the illusion girl help Linderman in rigging the election, but Bob has denounce Linderman. Has the Company split into two? I'm curious as to what exactly is going on here.

But. . .how did Matt survive FOUR bullets to the chest? DL got lucky only being hit by one.

A person can survive multiple bullet wounds a can also be killed by one. It's not illogical at all. But I was looking forward to the group at Kirby Plaza right after the events, what happened when the police and ambulence showed up, why did Mohinder assume Sylar was dead when his body was missing, why does no one outside the group. remember the explosion?

Also my favorite thing about this episode, no Claire or West. Seriously I never gave two ****s about Claire and I'm just sick and tired of her.

 

[Lynx]

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We can easily assume that because of illusion girl. What I find interesting is that the company's alliances seem to shift. In the first season the illusion girl help Linderman in rigging the election, but Bob has denounce Linderman. Has the Company split into two? I'm curious as to what exactly is going on here.

Well, that was kind of my point. Illusion girl worked for Linderman, who may or may not have been apart of The Company at that point. Meaning. . .who exactly was Illusion girl working for after Linderman died? Bob, sure, but. . .wouldn't Bob have brought Sylar back to The Company like he did with Peter? I think something else is going on there.

A person can survive multiple bullet wounds a can also be killed by one. It's not illogical at all. But I was looking forward to the group at Kirby Plaza right after the events, what happened when the police and ambulence showed up, why did Mohinder assume Sylar was dead when his body was missing, why does no one outside the group. remember the explosion?

My point about the bullet thing was that they made a big deal about DL getting shot when so did Matt. And I agree on them not showing more at Kirby Plaza.

Also my favorite thing about this episode, no Claire or West. Seriously I never gave two ****s about Claire and I'm just sick and tired of her.

I don't mind Claire when she's not the ****ing damsel in distress. She's INVINCIBLE, dammit! Make more use of that! Like when she walked into her house as Ted was exploding? That was awesome! They need to show that Claire more often.

West, though. . .West can die. He's a douche bag, he's a stalker, and his ability is already being used by a cooler character.

 

[Random]

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Well, that was kind of my point. Illusion girl worked for Linderman, who may or may not have been apart of The Company at that point. Meaning. . .who exactly was Illusion girl working for after Linderman died? Bob, sure, but. . .wouldn't Bob have brought Sylar back to The Company like he did with Peter? I think something else is going on there.

It's really an interest thing going on cause you never know. And Bob would not bring Sylar to the same place. He broke out of one of their places once he could do it again. Plus unlike Peter he ****ing crazy. You can convince Peter to stay, but not Sylar

West, though. . .West can die. He's a douche bag, he's a stalker, and his ability is already being used by a cooler character.

I hate West he needs to go, now!

Another thing I don't like is recycling powers like this, we have 2 healers, 2 mind readers, 2 fliers, and 2 adsorbing powerhouses. With Pete/Sylar and the Parkmans because they're rivals of sorts. Also if West turns out to be related to Nathan I'm done with the show (maybe not but you get the point)

 

[Planet-man]

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I liked the episode, but there's one absolutely inexcusable part.

With no way to predict it, Nathan flies off with Peter when he "explodes". Because of this, Nathan is injured and needs to be taken to a hospital, which Peter does at incredible speed.

When they get there, Peter is kidnapped by Elle and Bob.

Anybody else see the huge plot hole here?

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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I liked the episode, but there's one absolutely inexcusable part.

With no way to predict it, Nathan flies off with Peter when he "explodes". Because of this, Nathan is injured and needs to be taken to a hospital, which Peter does at incredible speed.

When they get there, Peter is kidnapped by Elle and Bob.

Anybody else see the huge plot hole here?

The Company knew what was going on at Kirby Plaza. It's odd, but not unexplainable.

What I want to know is how Adam knew so much about everyone and everything if he was in custody for 30 years.

 

[Planet-man]

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The Company knew what was going on at Kirby Plaza. It's odd, but not unexplainable.

And knew that Peter would go to that hospital right after, despite supposedly exploding. And knew it with such surety that they went there an hour in advance?

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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And knew that Peter would go to that hospital right after, despite supposedly exploding. And knew it with such surety that they went there an hour in advance?

No, they might have just went to see who they could grab after the fight. Bob wanted Nikki too, you know. It was probably just a happy coincidence. When he found out Nathan was there it probably wasn't difficult to put two-and-two together.

 

[Random]

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I'm sure they did explain it, but it was cut for time. There's a lot of story and sometimes you have to sarfice some footage

 

[DIrishB]

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The Company knew what was going on at Kirby Plaza. It's odd, but not unexplainable.

What I want to know is how Adam knew so much about everyone and everything if he was in custody for 30 years.

I'm of the mindset that Adam wasn't really in custody for 30 years, but just setting up or playing a part in a big ruse to get Peter to do what he wants. I think Adam is directly involved with the company, possibly even one of its founders.

 

[Lynx]

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I'm of the mindset that Adam wasn't really in custody for 30 years, but just setting up or playing a part in a big ruse to get Peter to do what he wants. I think Adam is directly involved with the company, possibly even one of its founders.

Adam is one of it's founders. In fact, he's the one that got the Twelve together in the first place. That was already explained.

As to whether or not he's still involved, I don't know. That's something we'll have to see if it plays out or not.

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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I am in love with Elle.
Sick, twisted, sexy and plain kinky....

 

[Lynx]

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I am in love with Elle.
Sick, twisted, sexy and plain kinky....

It must be a guy thing because every girl I've talked to HATES her.

But, I think she's an awesome character.

 

[ShaggyMarco]

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So, the 12 we know of so far:

1. Charles Deveaux (probable dream-manipulation/prophecy)
2. Mr. Petrelli (probably no powers due to info in Web Comic)
3. Mrs. Petrelli (probably some powers due to both sons having power-no established abilities, possible dream-manipulation/prophecy)
4. Nakamura (no established abilities)
5. Parkman Sr. (nightmare induction, mind reading)
6. Adam Monroe (regenerative blood)
7. Bob (midas touch)
8. Linderman (healing touch)
9.
10.
11.
12.

As far as the final 4 go, I am guessing that Nichelle Nichol's character (DL's mother) might be one...maybe she was mind-wiped somewhere along the way? I am also guessing one was probably hispanic and related to the boring twins in some way. The other two could come out of anywhere. We are probably sure that Chandra Shuresh is NOT one of the 12, or else that would be a pretty good guess. The other thing that strikes me is that we have no indication many of them have powers, in fact we have some evidence that a few of them DON'T have powers. I wonder if the other 4 are non-powered and therefore not that important.

I wonder if Peter was getting his prophetic dreams NOT from Deveaux, but from his mother. If his mother is powered, then Peter should have a power from her. Peter's powers all have distinct origins, so she is either not powered or she has a power copy of someone else.

Also, rereading war buddies and seeing young Linderman makes me wonder if maybe he is descended from Adam Monroe somehow. They looked similar. Maybe Claire's mother is Adam's daughter? Or Linderman's?

Finally, the reuse of powers makes me wonder if maybe the power copies are there for a distinct purpose--some kind of law of opposition or something.

I don't know.

 

[Planet-man]

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It must be a guy thing because every girl I've talked to HATES her.

But, I think she's an awesome character.

I hate her. I don't hate watching her, or paying attention to her character, but I do hate her.

As I think I'm supposed to.

The groping is a little much, though.

So, the 12 we know of so far:

1. Charles Deveaux (probable dream-manipulation/prophecy)
2. Mr. Petrelli (probably no powers due to info in Web Comic)
3. Mrs. Petrelli (probably some powers due to both sons having power-no established abilities, possible dream-manipulation/prophecy)
4. Nakamura (no established abilities)
5. Parkman Sr. (nightmare induction, mind reading)
6. Adam Monroe (regenerative blood)
7. Bob (midas touch)
8. Linderman (healing touch)
9.
10.
11.
12.

I know this is only a basic list but I'm DEFINITELY betting Mr. Petrelli had a power, and Bob may have more than the Midas touch. Who says he can't turn anything into anything? Mr. Parkman might also be able to create any fantasy he wants in someone's head, like a blissful one.

Also, an analysis of the new information from last night by Cracked.com.

 

[Lynx]

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So, the 12 we know of so far:

1. Charles Deveaux (probable dream-manipulation/prophecy)
2. Mr. Petrelli (probably no powers due to info in Web Comic)
3. Mrs. Petrelli (probably some powers due to both sons having power-no established abilities, possible dream-manipulation/prophecy)
4. Nakamura (no established abilities)
5. Parkman Sr. (nightmare induction, mind reading)
6. Adam Monroe (regenerative blood)
7. Bob (midas touch)
8. Linderman (healing touch)
9.
10.
11.
12.

As far as the final 4 go, I am guessing that Nichelle Nichol's character (DL's mother) might be one...maybe she was mind-wiped somewhere along the way?

Adam and Nichelle Nichol's aren't part of the Twelve. Neither of them were in the group photo.

 

[Random]

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Adam and Nichelle Nichol's aren't part of the Twelve. Neither of them were in the group photo.

Well I recall in the photo an african woman sitting in a chair, could have been her.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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I like Heroes.


























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