Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

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Just looked at the trailer for episode 8.

How did I not see the Haitian being the reason Peter has amnesia coming?

Than I'm wondering how he gets it back, The Haitan mind wipe seems like a permanent thing
 
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True, so I dunno.

Two more amazing things of deduction - the reason I think Nathan's involved is because Adam's convinced him Peter's dead. I think what's happened is Peter's been mindwiped and sent to the Company (who then lost him in Cork) - but that doesn't make much sense because there's no motive. I dunno. But I think Adam has told each Petrelli brother the other is dead to use 'em. Nathan to kill Kaito, Peter to infiltrate the Company, and so forth. I think it's likely that Peter and Nathan might fight each other (to juxtapose last season).

Also - Claire can cure the virus - so can Peter and Adam.

Not only that - but I think Maya can kill Adam (and the other two) with her power.

My second amazing thing - I think it would've been really cool if there had been an actual dragon in 1671. And it demanded Kensei to remove his heart. And then Kensei/Adam did. :lol:
 
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True, so I dunno.

Two more amazing things of deduction - the reason I think Nathan's involved is because Adam's convinced him Peter's dead. I think what's happened is Peter's been mindwiped and sent to the Company (who then lost him in Cork) - but that doesn't make much sense because there's no motive. I dunno. But I think Adam has told each Petrelli brother the other is dead to use 'em. Nathan to kill Kaito, Peter to infiltrate the Company, and so forth. I think it's likely that Peter and Nathan might fight each other (to juxtapose last season).

Also - Claire can cure the virus - so can Peter and Adam.

Not only that - but I think Maya can kill Adam (and the other two) with her power.
Your powersw of deduction rivals that of Batman
My second amazing thing - I think it would've been really cool if there had been an actual dragon in 1671. And it demanded Kensei to remove his heart. And then Kensei/Adam did. :lol:

I was too.
 
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Also - Adam vs. Kaito - If Adam DID kill Kaito, then he, as Goodwill said, waited to make sure he didn't **** with the timeline so he still gets his powers. Adam's fine with his past. Killing Hiro when he was 7 or some such, could **** Adam up as much.

Okay, I haven't seen the first few episodes of season one, but how exactly does running into Hiro give Adam his powers? If its a genetic dealy shouldn't he have them anyway, just no know yet? And if the powers are longevity and wolverine style healing, thats something you're going to find out about no matter what.
 
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Look at it this way - Hiro not only was the reason he discovered his powers, but told him what they were, that there were others like him, and gave him the ambition to find out others and form the Company.

Why mess with that?

Taking Hiro out while he's 3 years old could mean Adam, upon discovering his powers, goes completely insane and spends the next thousand years in a cave, away from humanity. Alternatively, he doesn't found the Company and is hunted down by them.

Adam is in a total win-win situation by the time he orders Kaito dead. He's formed the Company, is obviously a rich secret master of the world with extraordinary power, and has access to Peter Peterelli. Why mess with that?
 
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Taking Hiro out while he's 3 years old could mean Adam, upon discovering his powers, goes completely insane and spends the next thousand years in a cave, away from humanity. Alternatively, he doesn't found the Company and is hunted down by them.

Well, technically there might not even be a company in that timeline.

You know I think its a really good thing I don't have access to time travel powers. I'm not in the "why mess with that" category on ANYTHING.
 
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Basically - altering history is kind of a crap shoot. It's really risky. You can end up far worse than you imagine. The only way to do it is to have a real omniscience about the past... which is exactly what Future Hiro was trying to do in 2011 with "save the cheerleader, save the world".

Also - something I don't mention enough: I think Nathan, or the actor at least, is one of my very favourite characters on the show.

And if I'm honest - part of me thinks my idea of Nathan as the murderer might've been even cooler than this. I dunno because we've not seen it all yet, but I think it's one of those times where it would've worked.

And damn - does the two Petrelli brothers flying through the air look awesome in the trailer.
 
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Adam/Kensei: "What is that? 'Evolution'?"
Hiro: "It means you can heal from any wound."
Adam/Kensei: "Really? Any wound? Sword? Serpent? Fire?"

Love that foreshadowing.

Here's another example:

Since Peter showed up he's been throwing electricity all over the shop.

Elle has electricity powers.

Next episode shows them meeting four months ago.

Sometimes I'm so unobservant.
 
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Some Good News about Heroes...

This first one in particular I find particularly encouraging:

Entertainment Weekly said:
On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes — he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes — and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter's story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''

And here's what Jeph Loeb has to say (it's a longer article, or I'd post it too.
 
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Also - something I don't mention enough: I think Nathan, or the actor at least, is one of my very favourite characters on the show.

And if I'm honest - part of me thinks my idea of Nathan as the murderer might've been even cooler than this. I dunno because we've not seen it all yet, but I think it's one of those times where it would've worked.
As long as it isn't a split personality thing with the burnt image he's seeing, I'm sick of split personality

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''
I think if they took away a chunk of Claire/west **** fest they could of add one of Hiro's and Takezo's adventures instead of it happening off screen. Would of definitely justified the length
 
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I'm glad Kring is so humble about the mistakes made with Season 2. I think it'll end strong, but, hopefully, Season/Volume 3 will be going at a breakneck pace for the entire season.
 
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(Also - Peter know has amnesia powers... *sigh* If he meets Sylar again, he can mop the ****ing floor with him. Seriously - SYLAR should have this power. Not Peter. What an idiotic move - unless my harddrive thing is right.)


Haitian also has the power to block other powers remember, so he might have blocked Peter's powersponge ability.
 
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I think they've noticed all their problems, but I would say that Hiro wasn't too long in Japan.

I think what happened was that they got a case of 24.

Hiro's story is only dragged out because they didn't want to reveal that Kensei is Adam Munroe until episode 7, until after he explodes in White Beard's camp. And, they wanted him to appear at a certain chronological moment (after the Nightmare-Man's defeated, after Suresh joins the Company, after Noah gets the paintings, etc), and they wanted Hiro to show up at a certain chronological moment (after Kaito's death).

Which is totally the right decision.

But Hiro would be in Japan for a much shorter time if they didn't bother with Monica, Maya and Alejandro, and I don't mean 'weave them into the story' - I mean cut them completely. If they need Monica to get involved with Micah or Maya to bring Sylar into it - then both storylines have the exact same beginning: They knock on Mohinder's door. That, chronologically, would fit in exactly the same. As a result, without those scenes, HEROES just save 2 or 3 entire episodes.

Thus, Hiro then comes back to the present day in episode 4.

Problem solved.
 
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first mutant - manipulates events down the ages from the shadows - has the power of resurrection - twists misguided good guys into doing his bidding - has a time travelling nemesis...

Is it me, or does Adam sound a lot like Apocalypse...?
 
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Massive spoiler for episode 10.

. . .

It's been foreshadowed all season, but I'm. . .well, rage comes to mind. :evil:
 
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