Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

[Lynx]

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And guys, last night's episode rawked. The first good episode of the season. Sorry, the first GREAT episode of the season. I hope it stays that way for the last four episodes... (Heh.)

I think it will, especially next week's episode. We get the "Four Months Ago" episode next week and that's just reveal even more. And then I think it's all going to build up to the *grumble* Season Finale.

I just hope that it comes back for Season 3 and they pick up with whatever Volume 3 was supposed to be.

Oh, and I think I know Angela Petrelli's power due to it being spoiled for me earlier in the season. Here it is if you want to know:

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Healing, like Linderman

 

[Random]

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Oh, and I think I know Angela Petrelli's power due to it being spoiled for me earlier in the season. Here it is if you want to know:

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Healing, like Linderman

That's underwhelming, where did you get this spoiler?

 

[Lynx]

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That's underwhelming, where did you get this spoiler?

I'll see if I can find it.Take it with a grain of salt, though. I very well could have seen something that was just taken out of context.

EDIT: Hmmmm, I can't seem to find it. So, for now, just consider it a rumor.

 

[Volunteer Fire Detective]

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It's possible. It would certainly explain how Nathan survived the blast. I'm still hoping for something a little more creative, though.

 

[Goodwill]

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So wait... Does Kensei have the ability to fly as well as heal himself then? Or, did Peter actually kill Hiro's father? Seeing as how he and Kensei teamed up while he was with the company or whatever...

 

[Lynx]

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So wait... Does Kensei have the ability to fly as well as heal himself then? Or, did Peter actually kill Hiro's father? Seeing as how he and Kensei teamed up while he was with the company or whatever...

I'm going to guess that either Adam killed him and, since he can heal, got up and ran before Ando could notice, or one of the other members of the 12 can fly and is another subordinate to Adam.

I suppose Peter could have, but Kaito saying "You! Out of all of them, I didn't expect you!" wouldn't really make sense then.

 

[Random]

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So wait... Does Kensei have the ability to fly as well as heal himself then? Or, did Peter actually kill Hiro's father? Seeing as how he and Kensei teamed up while he was with the company or whatever...

We never saw Nakamura's kill fly, he got tackle off the side of the building. No flying was shown

 

[Friday]

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So wait... Does Kensei have the ability to fly as well as heal himself then? Or, did Peter actually kill Hiro's father? Seeing as how he and Kensei teamed up while he was with the company or whatever...

I'm going to guess that either Adam killed him and, since he can heal, got up and ran before Ando could notice, or one of the other members of the 12 can fly and is another subordinate to Adam.

I suppose Peter could have, but Kaito saying "You! Out of all of them, I didn't expect you!" wouldn't really make sense then.

We never saw Nakamura's kill fly, he got tackle off the side of the building. No flying was shown

See now I just thought that it was The Cops Father making him think someone tackled him off the roof to get him to throw himself off. No one actually touched him, just an illusion placed into the minds of anyone on the rooftop. Remember, he tried to get Mrs. Patrelli to kill herself, why have someone kill Hiro's Father if he can have it be a suicide. Sorta.

 

[Random]

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See now I just thought that it was The Cops Father making him think someone tackled him off the roof to get him to throw himself off. No one actually touched him, just an illusion placed into the minds of anyone on the rooftop. Remember, he tried to get Mrs. Patrelli to kill herself, why have someone kill Hiro's Father if he can have it be a suicide. Sorta.

Because as long as Kensei lives, Hiro Nakamura will pay.

 

[Friday]

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Because as long as Kensei lives, Hiro Nakamura will pay.

And having his father killed is a pretty good way to make him pay. He doesn't need to do it himself. Hell, he should have done it when he was 7. Then really **** with Young Hiro.

Literally. That'll teach him.

 

[Random]

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And having his father killed is a pretty good way to make him pay. He doesn't need to do it himself. Hell, he should have done it when he was 7. Then really **** with Young Hiro.

Literally. That'll teach him.

Well I think he wanted to do the hands on approach, with the others it was more business, but Nakamura was all pleasure. Also he only go after Hiro, after he travels to the past.

 

[Friday]

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Well I think he wanted to do the hands on approach, with the others it was more business, but Nakamura was all pleasure. Also he only go after Hiro, after he travels to the past.

See then he's just not thinking fourth dimensionally. If he say... brutally tortures and eventually kills the Young Hiro then one of two things would likely happen. He continues on in the reality with everything as it is, him getting the satisfaction of destroying his nemesis, or his timeline is re-written and his pain no longer exists because the person he was no longer exists. Its win-win for the man.

So lets say an Englishman from the 15th century doesn't think in that way. Thats fine. He still doesn't need the power of flight to get away from the scene since he doesn't die from the fall. His healing is at least on the level that Claire is and she can get up from something like that pretty quickly. Add in the several hundred years he had to master the ins and outs of his abilities (they all seem to have neat little riders that the people can figure out alter) and I'm sure he could have gotten away without being seen.

Oh, and its pretty clear that Sylar has the virus and that they're going to force a "save Sylar or save the world" choice on the characters by the end of the season. Just throwing that one out there since I'm not reading 79 pages of god only knows to see if its already suggested.

 

[Random]

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See then he's just not thinking fourth dimensionally. If he say... brutally tortures and eventually kills the Young Hiro then one of two things would likely happen. He continues on in the reality with everything as it is, him getting the satisfaction of destroying his nemesis, or his timeline is re-written and his pain no longer exists because the person he was no longer exists. Its win-win for the man.

He's lived for 500 years, I don't think he's still emotionally driven to seek immediate revenge on Hiro, but when it coincides with his plans I bet he would take pleasure in it. Also Kensei isn't an ******* for just being an *******, it does seem like he has honor and wants to do good in the world (in a twisted sense.) So I don't think He'd go after a Hiro who hasn't committed any crimes against him.

On another note I like how Bob described Linderman as Adam's disciple, I think it adds an interesting aspect to Kensei

 

[Planet-man]

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I don't get what type of time travel rules they're following here, either. Hiro being able to go back in time and stop the exploding man from happening suggests they're using an alterable, or Back to the Future-style one, but Hiro being the real Kensei all along makes it seem like they're doing a looping, concrete Tweleve Monkeys-style one.

 

[Friday]

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I don't get what type of time travel rules they're following here, either. Hiro being able to go back in time and stop the exploding man from happening suggests they're using an alterable, or Back to the Future-style one, but Hiro being the real Kensei all along makes it seem like they're doing a looping, concrete Tweleve Monkeys-style one.

Fast and loose man. Fast and loose. Think the rest of the nation cares what time travel concepts they're using? Nope. They just want to see Hiro be cool and have fun.

 

[Random]

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I don't get what type of time travel rules they're following here, either. Hiro being able to go back in time and stop the exploding man from happening suggests they're using an alterable, or Back to the Future-style one, but Hiro being the real Kensei all along makes it seem like they're doing a looping, concrete Tweleve Monkeys-style one.

They're using more of a Back to the future, though its a mixture of both. It's not written in stone, you can change the future before you, but not the past behind you. When Hiro tired to save the waitress by changing what's already happened, his powers wouldn't allow that. That's why future Hiro only said that bare minimum when he visited Peter, if he interfered to much, fate would stop him.

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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I like the fact they seem to be setting up the core characters each have their own nemesis. Peter got Sylar, seeing as they have very similar powers (in that they can both absorb others abilities, albeit through different methods), now Hiro has Kensei, which is brilliant because the whole best friends who turn against each other is always great.

 

[Goodwill]

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Yea, I was thinking the same thing... Why not just hit Hiro where it hurts when he can't defend himself? I guess, without Hiro being born, he realizes that he would have never survived that attack in the beginning of the season. Huh.

 

[Bass]

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I AM ONE WITH THE SHOW.​

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Adam Munroe = Takezo Kensei. I've been calling it since episode 1. I am loving it.

Peter sucks - the actor doesn't. I'm sick of his character. Whining amnesiac who know has every power ever. Boring, dull character. The actor though, is the only reason he's at all likeable. I give him huge props. He's continually able to inject this character with a real sense of being completely burdened. I like him.

The whole company stuff was awesome. I think Ned purposely gave a mutated strain to Mohinder to give to Niki to get him to get Claire. Convoluted, but I think it could be true. (Also - I'm wondering why, when Niki started smashing in the door, did Bob not turn it to gold?)

I am certain Nathan knows a lot more about Adam Munroe than he's letting on. I think he's still somehow responsible.

Also - Adam vs. Kaito - If Adam DID kill Kaito, then he, as Goodwill said, waited to make sure he didn't **** with the timeline so he still gets his powers. Adam's fine with his past. Killing Hiro when he was 7 or some such, could **** Adam up as much.

But I don't think Adam's on the roof.

I think it's Hiro. I think Hiro travels back in time and saves his father by staging his death.

Also - I'm kinda annoyed HRG hasn't told anyone about the paintings. But then, that's paranoia for you.

Wicked episode. Looking forward to the next.

Also - Adam can control weather or something. Remember, he could've made a tsunami - though we don't know how.

 

[Bass]

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Just looked at the trailer for episode 8.

How did I not see the Haitian being the reason Peter has amnesia coming?

(Also - Peter know has amnesia powers... *sigh* If he meets Sylar again, he can mop the ****ing floor with him. Seriously - SYLAR should have this power. Not Peter. What an idiotic move - unless my harddrive thing is right.)