Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

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Hellsbuttmonkey said:
Did anyone notice in the painting Peter did, near where Caitlin pointed out Peter and herself, there seemed to be a figure that looked kinda like Sylar watching them..?
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No. But I did notice the "godsend" 'S' helix thingy above the door...

Something Jello said:
Wait until the character 'David Currie' or should I say 'Davina Currie' starts his/her run - talk about confusing sexual identity.
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Welcome Jello! :D

TwilightEL said:
I think Heroes needs a new rule for new characters.

They get one episode to introduce themselves and then they don't get a B-plot. If they're not advancing the older, more interesting characters or being introduced, then they shouldn't be a major part of the episode. We can maybe get a few scenes to check in, but their status quo isn't going to change until they meet the main characters so they shouldn't be taking up time.

The already-established main characters and conflicts are already competing with each other for time and the newcomers are going to have to put up a better show if they don't want people to resent their existence. Luckily, it looks like this problem is getting solved with Mohinder meeting Monica and Sylar about to eat the boring twins' brains.
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I agree. Peter pretty much counts as a new character. Plus, Monica is boring as hell.

Why the **** is she worried and/or upset with her powers? Why is it the writers seem incapable of doing another ****ing note with this?

Seriously - her power is "I can make tomatoes look like flowers".

At no point - ever - should she be SCARED.

Sure - she can be scared about the kickin a guy through glass thing - but she should also be like, "AWESOME. I CAN KICK MEN THROUGH GLASS."

She shouldn't go, "OH NO! I CAN PLAY THE PIANO! WHAT HORROR!"

She should go, "I know kung fu."

She has THE MATRIX power. It is cool. Not scary.

It's mega-annoying because what else is happening this season? There's a new 'hero' - a young, attractive, non-white woman... who's scared of her powers. Her power?

She kills everyone with a virulent plague that makes you bleed black ooze out of your eyes and she can't control it. It happens if she's apart from her brother for more than 5 minutes.

THAT IS SCARY.

It would've been a cool counterpoint if one hero is racked with guilt, tortured by her plague power and the other hero is elated, because she can finally do what she's always wanted and become a famous superstar with her awesome powers that allow her to do anything without practice.

:|

I hate it when writers just get lazy.

Speaking of lazy - Veronica Mars.

"Why would they send a wee lass like you to take on Peter, I'm Irish doncha know?"
Then Mars electros the wall and says, "I can take care of myself."

What would have been cooler: MacIrish Man (who I like by the way) says, "Why send you?" and Mars just walks towards the camera (like Nightmare-Man) smiling evily (it's a cool motif to have in one episode). She doesn't do anything, she just walks.

The scene with the other cool Irish guy (he was great - I wish Peter had been gay so the love affair was with him and he survived), he says, "No I've not seen Peter, t'be sure" and Veronica Mars walks up to the door and locks it. That's all we see.

Next time we see her, she's on the phone and she just goes, "I killed him, sorry daddy" all casually (like the actress did - and it was a great moment).

Then, when Caitlin rushes to see her brother, we see the charred corpse.

And we have no ****ing clue how she did it. Result? Mars is psycho-scary. Much cooler than, "She has electro-powers".

It irks me because it's one of those times where it would've been COOL to have a mystery, as opposed to being annoying which is what this whole amnesia thing is.

Also, us NOT knowing her powers would be cooler because she's fighting Peter - and the big problem with Peter is his powers suck... all drama. When he finally meets Veronica Mars, he can electrokill people. *sigh* This is why they can't ever make a powerful villain for him; he immediately becomes as powerful as they are. He's so ****ing annoying. I like the character and the actor - but his powers suck. At least us not knowing Mars' powers would allow us to momentarily forget how absurdly nonthreatening she is to Peter.

Hiro's story was boring. Absolutely nothing happened. But somehow, I enjoyed it - and that's solely because Hiro and Ando could read the phonebook and it would be the best TV this week.

So this episode - I liked the Nightmare-Man and the Company stuff with Mohinder and Niki. Everything else was tosh.

Crappy, boring episode which wasted lots of time when it could've been an exhilarating nightmare ride - for example, this would've been the perfect moment to fully reveal just what the hell is going on with Nathan. Right here - in the nightmare world. Instead... we get a longer version of him looking in the mirror.

For an episode called "Fight or Flight" the writers managed to an episode which could only be titled, "Stand Still and Wait".

Boo!

That said - Veronica Mars is electrocute. :D

I really liked her.
 
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I was just thinking - it would've been awesome if Peter immediately gets the power of any hero he's been in contact with - when they die.

Now imagine, Peter, minding his own, when all of a sudden - he starts to fly.

That would be ****ing awesome. As Sylar grows in power, so does Peter, provided Peter has met them once.

And you know what? It would be the one power Peter could get that he'd absolutely hate having. Everytime he gets a power, he knows someone he knows is dead. That would ****ing eat at him.

****. I need to go back in time and rewrite HEROES.

*stares at clock and does that cutey vibration thing that Hiro does*

(Does anyone else want a Hiro plush toy? I do.)
 
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The good part of the episode was the villains. We get introduced to two cool villains. We have Nightmare Man, Maury Parkman, who is a scumbag with a very powerful ability and then we have Elle, who has no morale compass, it seems. . .and therefore, fries people whenever she damn well pleases.

They really need to do something with Monica, though. I like the idea that she becomes St. Joan. I hope that happens. And Micah can be her sidekick or something.

Hiro needs to come home and Sylar needs to kill the twins. Then, things will get interesting.
 
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Lynx said:
The good part of the episode was the villains. We get introduced to two cool villains. We have Nightmare Man, Maury Parkman, who is a scumbag with a very powerful ability and then we have Elle, who has no morale compass, it seems. . .and therefore, fries people whenever she damn well pleases.
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Yet, what annoyed me is that we don't know who "daddy" is. :|

Lynx said:
They really need to do something with Monica, though. I like the idea that she becomes St. Joan. I hope that happens. And Micah can be her sidekick or something.
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I thought that too! The adventures of COPYCAT and DATA-BOY! :D
 
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Bass said:
Yet, what annoyed me is that we don't know who "daddy" is. :|
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I have three theories on that. One, is it's Bob, as we know Elle works for the Company. This is probably the least likely, but possible. Two, is it's Nathan. . .although, he would have had to be pretty young if this were true. Three, is it's Papa Patrelli and that he's still alive.

Why Nathan or Papa Patrelli? I really don't think it's a coincidence that she looks like Claire. There were certain scenes where she would like exactly like an older version of Claire. Hence why I think she's either her sister or her aunt.
 
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Lynx said:
I have three theories on that. One, is it's Bob, as we know Elle works for the Company. This is probably the least likely, but possible. Two, is it's Nathan. . .although, he would have had to be pretty young if this were true. Three, is it's Papa Patrelli and that he's still alive.

Why Nathan or Papa Patrelli? I really don't think it's a coincidence that she looks like Claire. There were certain scenes where she would like exactly like an older version of Claire. Hence why I think she's either her sister or her aunt.
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My guess was Bob.
 
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DIrishB said:
Bass, simple question...why aren't you a writer? Seriously? You know what it takes to tell a good story, and the best ways to do it. Why not use that talent to get yourself a paycheck?
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Because this talent - SCARES ME. And sometimes I wonder WHAT IT ALL MEANS! I mean... I'm adequate at something! I just don't what to do except GET REALLY ****ING MELODRAMATIC OVER IT ALL THE TIME!

It's not Monica's fault. It's one-note writer syndrome.

Number of 'heroes' with powers who think they are hella-awesome: Micah and Hiro.

I can't think of another.

As for being a writer - I'm really working on it. Someone (I don't want to say who) who is a proper comics professional (if I say their name you'll know them immediately) asked me the same question when I told them my idea for how Ultimates 2 should've ended (I don't want to name them as if this got back to the people who U2, they might be upset). And I've got a pseudo-gig lined up with another artist. But it's all very up in the air. But I'm really trying. Saying stuff like this is always appreciated, DiB. It really is. :)
 
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Bass said:
Because this talent - SCARES ME. And sometimes I wonder WHAT IT ALL MEANS! I mean... I'm adequate at something! I just don't what to do except GET REALLY ****ING MELODRAMATIC OVER IT ALL THE TIME!

It's not Monica's fault. It's one-note writer syndrome.

Number of 'heroes' with powers who think they are hella-awesome: Micah and Hiro.

I can't think of another.

As for being a writer - I'm really working on it. Someone (I don't want to say who) who is a proper comics professional (if I say their name you'll know them immediately) asked me the same question when I told them my idea for how Ultimates 2 should've ended (I don't want to name them as if this got back to the people who U2, they might be upset). And I've got a pseudo-gig lined up with another artist. But it's all very up in the air. But I'm really trying. Saying stuff like this is always appreciated, DiB. It really is. :)
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Well, if you wouldn't mind and have the time, I'll PM you a treatment for a comic story I'm putting together, involving super-powers, the Anti-Christ, black Jesus, social and political narrative, and drug use. Wow...when I think of it like that, it sounds very Alan Moore-ish.
 
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Bass said:
Because this talent - SCARES ME. And sometimes I wonder WHAT IT ALL MEANS! I mean... I'm adequate at something! I just don't what to do except GET REALLY ****ING MELODRAMATIC OVER IT ALL THE TIME!
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:lol:

I get you. I mean, you just want to lead a normal life!:cry:

Number of 'heroes' with powers who think they are hella-awesome: Micah and Hiro.

I can't think of another.
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My single biggest gripe with the show.

And Peter could've been like this if they'd done like you'd said and have his power be that he boosts other people's powers. I wouldn't even write that off yet. Once the amnesia wears off, they're going to have find some other way to depower him lest he be completely unstoppable in the face of any challenge and able to solve all of their problems immeadiately. Some sort of overload/power-reversal isn't out of the question.
 
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Lynx said:
I have three theories on that. One, is it's Bob, as we know Elle works for the Company. This is probably the least likely, but possible. Two, is it's Nathan. . .although, he would have had to be pretty young if this were true. Three, is it's Papa Patrelli and that he's still alive.

Why Nathan or Papa Patrelli? I really don't think it's a coincidence that she looks like Claire. There were certain scenes where she would like exactly like an older version of Claire. Hence why I think she's either her sister or her aunt.
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I dont want it to be Papa Patrelli, I really dont want this to become the X-men
Bass said:
Monica's fault. It's one-note writer syndrome.

Number of 'heroes' with powers who think they are hella-awesome: Micah and Hiro.

I can't think of another.
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Hiro was even one of the last characters created after the writer's wife pointed out that no one liked their powers.

I think they want to introduce new revalations at certain times, but just don't have enough material it fill in. Everything just feels up in the air at the moment where as the first season we had definite direction.
As for being a writer - I'm really working on it. Someone (I don't want to say who) who is a proper comics professional (if I say their name you'll know them immediately) asked me the same question when I told them my idea for how Ultimates 2 should've ended (I don't want to name them as if this got back to the people who U2, they might be upset). And I've got a pseudo-gig lined up with another artist. But it's all very up in the air. But I'm really trying. Saying stuff like this is always appreciated, DiB. It really is. :)
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STOP BEING SECRETIVE!
 
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Kensei! He started to think it was awesome! Then, ironically, Hiro made him not like it so much. :|
 
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Well, it seems quite possibly Kaito may not be as dead as we think...
I actually met George Takei on Saturday, and mentioned what a shame it was his character had died. and to quote him

"You are in for a big surprise then. Nothing its ever what it seems..."
then grinned and wouldn't say any more..

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