And Bass and darkspider, I can understand where you're coming from, but a little patience is due, methinks. After all the revelations of the previous episode (Company Man), and the fact that this was the cliffhanger episode until the series starts again on April 23, it only makes sense to have the large amount of unresolved plot-lines.
The more I think about it, one of those unresolved plot-lines is certainly Peter's "possible scar" vs. his regeneration ability. Its possible this isn't the event that gives him his scar, but I don't doubt it actually is. I'm just still left wondering why he gets it...is it a conscious choice on his part (not to use the regeneration power to keep a reminder of the battle maybe?), or is is due to Sylar's own large array of powers. Maybe even a symbolic classic light vs. dark battle, whereas Sylar is the only one who can actually hurt Peter, thus leaving the scar (unless someone figures out the stick in the brain trick that temporarily killed Claire earlier in the season).
No, I liked the episode alot. I thought it was great. I just looked at it with a perspective on scenes and plot, like how i'd write it.
But, I expect the next five episodes to be awesome. I mean, look at all the storylines going on. But I read that Kring said season 2 will be a whole new story. A volume two. So I guess it will all tie together.
Oh, and everyone dies in ep. 20. But that's the futuristic episode, where it's five years in the future.
But, I expect the next five episodes to be awesome. I mean, look at all the storylines going on. But I read that Kring said season 2 will be a whole new story. A volume two. So I guess it will all tie together.
Agreed, though I expect the season of this show to be much more self-contained than shows like Lost. I expect the majority of this season's plotlines to be resolved by or in the season finale episode, with either minor plotlines being continued into season 2, or new ones introduced in the S1 finale, etc.
Oh, and everyone dies in ep. 20. But that's the futuristic episode, where it's five years in the future.
Agreed, though I expect the season of this show to be much more self-contained than shows like Lost. I expect the majority of this season's plotlines to be resolved by or in the season finale episode, with either minor plotlines being continued into season 2, or new ones introduced in the S1 finale, etc.
Yeah, Kring said it will be more like 24 than Lost. I'm just wondering what they'll do for it. Supposedly, it's about Hiro's past. Except, according to Masi Oka, Hiro will be in another centruy. Bass's theory of Hiro being Kensei is what I'm guessing. I'm not sure, but does the painting of Kensei in the museum look like future hiro?
Obviously, Hiro doesn't have total control of his powers, hence him being in the future. What's cool though is Ando is with him.
And did anyone notice Claire has brown hair in the preview? Future Claire? That'd make her twenty.
Couple of things - the FBI agents are called Quesada and Alonso. And the code for the Kensei sword is CRM-114 (it's from Doctor Strangelove).
I loved Ando showing up. YAY!
As for the future - note that there are birds and cards driving and that the buildings are being rebuilt. A nuclear explosion doesn't allow for birds, traffic, and construction. This probably means that Hiro teleported a *long* way into the future.
Number 1, Ted is currently in the custody of Primatech (which I will use to "name" the organization that HRG, Eric Roberts, Hiro's dad and others work with/for). Neither Peter nor Sylar have had the opportunity to absorb Ted's powers. I dare say that this means the explosion wasn't nuclear. Perhaps it was just a plain vanilla big ol' bomb that Primatech put down in NYC because the "heroes" were getting too out of control for their likes. Could be wrong... just a theory.
Number 2, yes, there were cars driving around and I'm with Bass on this, it was no accident. (CGI, DUH!)
Moving right along... I'm also with Bass about Mohinder's big blunder. I expected more out of him than his monologue. I also expected he'd know enough about Sylar to not try and shoot him. C'mon. Guy's a telekinetic. If he read poppa's notes he probably would've known that. I don't think Mohinder's going to die simply because, as many have stated on Heroes-related discussion boards, he's the "voice of the show". Sylar no doubt kicked his *** "from here to right over there" (to quote Tenacious D) but being the voice of the show, he's got a lot of work left to do. I'm hoping that the experience humbled him.
Now, as far as Peter vs. Sylar... I believe I already said it but we're about to see the big showdown between the absorbing men... and as I've probably already said, Peter's more powerful by default. He involuntarily adapts and takes the powers of others. Sylar has to mess around with brains. Sure, Sylar could get Peter's inherent power of involuntary absorption, but Sylar doesn't have the be-all, end-all power of invulnerability, which Peter took from Claire. This explains why, in the preview for the next episode (IN A MONTH DAMMIT), Sylar says something to the effect of "OK, this is when most of them start screaming." (That in itself is something I don't understand, since Peter howled like my Boxer when there's someone walking in front of the house once Sylar tried to open his head).
As I was saying, there is no way Sylar can win this fight because he has no kind of invulnerability, and just by being in the same radius as Peter, Peter has every single one of Sylar's powers (wether Sylar knows it or not). Have I said it yet? I dunno... I think I have but under this edit box my last post is not present, so... I'm pretty sure Sylar could escape, but I think we'll see him dead by the end of Season 1. I'm hoping it will have that ironic twist with Peter opening his head and removing his brain. That would just be TEH AWESOME. Peter FTW!
Bennet will not die. Primatech is going to try to probe him for more information regarding Claire. Plus, if you've read the newest graphic novel on the official site, apparently Bennet contacted Hana (aka Wireless) as he was taking Claire to the powers that be. She's going to show up, more than likely she'll save him. I hope he doesn't buy the farm, because after "Company Man", he became one of the most likeable characters on the show. After that episode, I think a lot of people can actually relate to him.
Mama Petrelli... I think she's got some powers. In fact, I think the Petrelli bloodline is rich in superhuman powers. Well, that's a no-brainer, actually, since Peter, Nathan, and Claire all have powers. I wonder if that had anything to do with Nathan and Peter's dad's death... or if he's even dead at all. Maybe, maybe not.
McDowell OWNED as Linderman. McDowell usually owns, though. Great to have yet another big name on the show, too. I hope he lasts a while. Like Bennet, we might actually find out that Linderman isn't all that evil. I'm pretty sure he's still evil, but to what extent, who knows? He could be another patsy for "the man", or Primatech, just trying to do his part for the evolution of mankind. As it looks right now, Primatech is the big, bad wolf. Bennet and Linderman might just be on the side of the angels... in some way, at least.
Again, this is the best thing going for major network TV right now. I hate the fact I have to wait over a month for the next episode, but I'm sure it will be worth it... kind of like Ultimates #13.
But it would seem, with Claire's power that Peter could never get a scar. I'm sure this scene would've given Peter a scar had Hiro not sent him to Claire. Not sure yet.
My theory is this: Future Hiro knows something about Peter, his powers, and this encounter with Sylar, and recognizes that Peter is the only one with a chance to stop Sylar. In B.A Hiro's timeline, Peter, with all of the other powers he has absorbed ends up escaping when Sylar corners him, but he is horribly scarred, perhaps even partially brain-damaged. He can't kill Sylar because Sylar is regenerating all of the time. Sylar goes on to cause lots of bad stuff.
The fact that Peter regenerates is directly related to Future Hiro's comment about Peter's missing scar for one reason alone: This is our proof that Hiro CAN change the past and that the future is not set.
Number 1, Ted is currently in the custody of Primatech (which I will use to "name" the organization that HRG, Eric Roberts, Hiro's dad and others work with/for). Neither Peter nor Sylar have had the opportunity to absorb Ted's powers. I dare say that this means the explosion wasn't nuclear. Perhaps it was just a plain vanilla big ol' bomb that Primatech put down in NYC because the "heroes" were getting too out of control for their likes. Could be wrong... just a theory.
Number 2, yes, there were cars driving around and I'm with Bass on this, it was no accident. (CGI, DUH!)
Like i've said before, epsiode 20 takes place five years in the future. That;s when I'm thinking Hiro teleported him and Ando too. So by now people would be rebuilding.
Now, as far as Peter vs. Sylar... I believe I already said it but we're about to see the big showdown between the absorbing men... and as I've probably already said, Peter's more powerful by default. He involuntarily adapts and takes the powers of others. Sylar has to mess around with brains. Sure, Sylar could get Peter's inherent power of involuntary absorption, but Sylar doesn't have the be-all, end-all power of invulnerability, which Peter took from Claire. This explains why, in the preview for the next episode (IN A MONTH DAMMIT), Sylar says something to the effect of "OK, this is when most of them start screaming." (That in itself is something I don't understand, since Peter howled like my Boxer when there's someone walking in front of the house once Sylar tried to open his head).
Of course, if Sylar knew that all he had to do was stick something into Peter's head, thus stopping the power ( it happened to Claire), he could then remove it from the brain. I bet Sylar might know this too, since his main power is to know how things work.
Plus, after this fight, there is supposed to be one more.
As I was saying, there is no way Sylar can win this fight because he has no kind of invulnerability, and just by being in the same radius as Peter, Peter has every single one of Sylar's powers (wether Sylar knows it or not). Have I said it yet? I dunno... I think I have but under this edit box my last post is not present, so... I'm pretty sure Sylar could escape, but I think we'll see him dead by the end of Season 1. I'm hoping it will have that ironic twist with Peter opening his head and removing his brain. That would just be TEH AWESOME. Peter FTW!
Sylar knows Peter can absorb powers. He said it himself. So he also porbably knows that Peter has all of his powers too.
Oh, and according to a spoiler I read,
Sylar does die. In fact, he falls out of a window.
I don't know how true it is, but I do know Kring really likes what Quinto is doing with Sylar.
Bennet will not die. Primatech is going to try to probe him for more information regarding Claire. Plus, if you've read the newest graphic novel on the official site, apparently Bennet contacted Hana (aka Wireless) as he was taking Claire to the powers that be. She's going to show up, more than likely she'll save him. I hope he doesn't buy the farm, because after "Company Man", he became one of the most likeable characters on the show. After that episode, I think a lot of people can actually relate to him.
McDowell OWNED as Linderman. McDowell usually owns, though. Great to have yet another big name on the show, too. I hope he lasts a while. Like Bennet, we might actually find out that Linderman isn't all that evil. I'm pretty sure he's still evil, but to what extent, who knows? He could be another patsy for "the man", or Primatech, just trying to do his part for the evolution of mankind. As it looks right now, Primatech is the big, bad wolf. Bennet and Linderman might just be on the side of the angels... in some way, at least.
The fact that Peter regenerates is directly related to Future Hiro's comment about Peter's missing scar for one reason alone: This is our proof that Hiro CAN change the past and that the future is not set.
Except when it comes to people dying. he couldn't save Charlie ( his temporary love intrest). And he's seen Issac dead, plus Issac painted himself dead.
But then there's the fact that by Future Hiro telling Peter to save Claire, he prevented her death. So perhaps Hiro can't change it, but his knowledge of what will happen can allow others to change the future?
Like a loophole?
And according to the preview, does Hiro meet his Future self?
I know I said that Mohinder might be the second one to die, but supposedly he's one of the few 'safe' characters.
Number 1, Ted is currently in the custody of Primatech (which I will use to "name" the organization that HRG, Eric Roberts, Hiro's dad and others work with/for). Neither Peter nor Sylar have had the opportunity to absorb Ted's powers. I dare say that this means the explosion wasn't nuclear. Perhaps it was just a plain vanilla big ol' bomb that Primatech put down in NYC because the "heroes" were getting too out of control for their likes. Could be wrong... just a theory.
Nah, I'm convinced that Peter's explosion is due to him absorbing Ted's powers and not knowing how to use them. I think that the reason all his dreams involve another special is because he and Sylar are meant to be working together.
Peter's dreams always involve other specials, and he can mimic, store, and use their powers (this is why he dreams them - he can sense the powers, it's more likely he already possesses their powers and meeting them allows him to access them). Sylar is capable of finding, sensing where other specials are and how their powers work.
I'm convinced that, like Rising Stars, the purpose of the specials, why they're connected, is that they are meant to change the world by building a utopia. Each of their powers is, in some way, able to create this utopia. And Peter and Sylar, together, would be able to do what Suresh is doing - catalogue, understand, and give purpose to each and every special.
So what would happen if either one got the others powers? Sylar with Peter's powers would end up destroying everything, no? And Peter with Sylar's powers, well he and Suresh could create that utopia.
Regardless, I think the reason he dreams Claude is so that he can learn how to control his power, another way to prevent him going 'boom'. But then, why was Claude laughing...
I also think it's possible that because Peter can regenerate, the explosion won't actually occur. Remember, only two people get close to Peter in his dream - Claire, and Nathan. It would seem Nathan gets close, I'm guessing, to fly him upwards so they blow up in the sky.
Also, bear in mind that Sylar has Charlie's power of total recall. Which means Peter has it. Which would be invaluable considering his power is to dredge up other powers he's encountered.
Moving right along... I'm also with Bass about Mohinder's big blunder. I expected more out of him than his monologue. I also expected he'd know enough about Sylar to not try and shoot him. C'mon. Guy's a telekinetic. If he read poppa's notes he probably would've known that. I don't think Mohinder's going to die simply because, as many have stated on Heroes-related discussion boards, he's the "voice of the show". Sylar no doubt kicked his *** "from here to right over there" (to quote Tenacious D) but being the voice of the show, he's got a lot of work left to do. I'm hoping that the experience humbled him.
Now, as far as Peter vs. Sylar... I believe I already said it but we're about to see the big showdown between the absorbing men... and as I've probably already said, Peter's more powerful by default. He involuntarily adapts and takes the powers of others. Sylar has to mess around with brains. Sure, Sylar could get Peter's inherent power of involuntary absorption, but Sylar doesn't have the be-all, end-all power of invulnerability, which Peter took from Claire. This explains why, in the preview for the next episode (IN A MONTH DAMMIT), Sylar says something to the effect of "OK, this is when most of them start screaming." (That in itself is something I don't understand, since Peter howled like my Boxer when there's someone walking in front of the house once Sylar tried to open his head).
Heroes has, on several occassions, altered the cliffhanger with the next episode. They've added lines, changed the point of view, etc. It's possible that Sylar will try to cut into his head, fail, and say the line. And he tries again and succeeds. Also, it's possible he's talking to Suresh, as we see him torture him - what we didn't see in #18 - and Suresh just refuses to scream. Or another option entirely. Dunno.
As I was saying, there is no way Sylar can win this fight because he has no kind of invulnerability, and just by being in the same radius as Peter, Peter has every single one of Sylar's powers (wether Sylar knows it or not). Have I said it yet? I dunno... I think I have but under this edit box my last post is not present, so... I'm pretty sure Sylar could escape, but I think we'll see him dead by the end of Season 1. I'm hoping it will have that ironic twist with Peter opening his head and removing his brain. That would just be TEH AWESOME. Peter FTW!
Bennet will not die. Primatech is going to try to probe him for more information regarding Claire. Plus, if you've read the newest graphic novel on the official site, apparently Bennet contacted Hana (aka Wireless) as he was taking Claire to the powers that be. She's going to show up, more than likely she'll save him. I hope he doesn't buy the farm, because after "Company Man", he became one of the most likeable characters on the show. After that episode, I think a lot of people can actually relate to him.
Mama Petrelli... I think she's got some powers. In fact, I think the Petrelli bloodline is rich in superhuman powers. Well, that's a no-brainer, actually, since Peter, Nathan, and Claire all have powers. I wonder if that had anything to do with Nathan and Peter's dad's death... or if he's even dead at all. Maybe, maybe not.
It would also explain why Linderman likes the Petrelli dad. He knows all about specials, and it's a good chance his connection to the Petrellis is the reason why, or the result of his knowledge.
Again, this is the best thing going for major network TV right now. I hate the fact I have to wait over a month for the next episode, but I'm sure it will be worth it... kind of like Ultimates #13.
My theory is this: Future Hiro knows something about Peter, his powers, and this encounter with Sylar, and recognizes that Peter is the only one with a chance to stop Sylar. In B.A Hiro's timeline, Peter, with all of the other powers he has absorbed ends up escaping when Sylar corners him, but he is horribly scarred, perhaps even partially brain-damaged. He can't kill Sylar because Sylar is regenerating all of the time. Sylar goes on to cause lots of bad stuff.
The fact that Peter regenerates is directly related to Future Hiro's comment about Peter's missing scar for one reason alone: This is our proof that Hiro CAN change the past and that the future is not set.
Like i've said before, epsiode 20 takes place five years in the future. That;s when I'm thinking Hiro teleported him and Ando too. So by now people would be rebuilding.
Of course, if Sylar knew that all he had to do was stick something into Peter's head, thus stopping the power ( it happened to Claire), he could then remove it from the brain. I bet Sylar might know this too, since his main power is to know how things work.
Plus, after this fight, there is supposed to be one more.
Sylar knows Peter can absorb powers. He said it himself. So he also porbably knows that Peter has all of his powers too.
Oh, and according to a spoiler I read,
Sylar does die. In fact, he falls out of a window.
I don't know how true it is, but I do know Kring really likes what Quinto is doing with Sylar.
Sylar falling out of a window is possible. Remember we see someone flying in the #19 preview. But regardless, I can imagine Peter jumping off the building, through the window or what not, and plunging Sylar and himself to their deaths - it is how their first battle ended, remember?
Except when it comes to people dying. he couldn't save Charlie ( his temporary love intrest). And he's seen Issac dead, plus Issac painted himself dead.
Also, it's possible that Sylar inherited Charlie's brain-death-disease thing when he took her powers, though I doubt it. He probably can just take the powers without taking the disease.
But then there's the fact that by Future Hiro telling Peter to save Claire, he prevented her death. So perhaps Hiro can't change it, but his knowledge of what will happen can allow others to change the future?
Like a loophole?
According to the preview, Hiro turns, then we cut to another shot of Future Hiro. It is edited to look like the two are in the same scene, but it is also, just as easily, meant to mislead us.
The guy who's gonna die is someone who's power is integral to the show. I would assume that would mean relating to the bomb plot. This means it's either Peter (the bomb), or Ted (the guy with the bomb powers). That said, it could be Hiro since his future self is integral to that plot (same goes for Peter). I suppose a case could be made for Isaac.
Out of these four - Peter, Ted, Hiro, and Isaac - one of those is the dead guy. I think the only one it won't (please please) is Hiro. Out of the four, I'd prefer it if Peter died more than the others.
The guy who's gonna die is someone who's power is integral to the show. I would assume that would mean relating to the bomb plot. This means it's either Peter (the bomb), or Ted (the guy with the bomb powers). That said, it could be Hiro since his future self is integral to that plot (same goes for Peter). I suppose a case could be made for Isaac.
Out of these four - Peter, Ted, Hiro, and Isaac - one of those is the dead guy. I think the only one it won't (please please) is Hiro. Out of the four, I'd prefer it if Peter died more than the others.
Well, I just thought of this. Again, in my free time of perusing the internet, I found some spoilers for the show. Supposedly, whoever is killed, their role will be absorbed by another person. So you'd think that it's Sylar who kills them, and might take their power, right?
But there was emphasis on role. My theory is that,
if Sylar does die
, then it will be Peter absorbing his powers, as well as his role as a villian, either becoming evil through so much power, or in the eyes of others.
My thought was that Peter, either by being told by Hiro or Future Hiro, or some other mean, realizes that the explosion has to happen. If not, it will lead to many more deaths than he could cause. So he explodes.
It's a long shot, and I don't want Peter to become a villian or die. Really, I wouldn't want anyone to die. Each character brings alot to the plot, and even if they seem underused, they could become integral later on.
Oh, and I agree with you, Bass, about Hiro being Kensei. George Takei mentioned in an interview that Hiro is related to Kensei. Very possible that they are one and the same.
I heard that it was their power that continued, not their role. They kill a character whom you think is safe because their power is so relevant to the show, but they do kill them off but keep the power around. This would heavily imply Peter or Sylar or both survive.
im saying that peter's mom has the power to 'see'. cuz the painter can only paint the future, but not see it. while Peter seems to be able see what will happen. and i think it is because of that, she will play a vital role in all this and is able to warn the black guy somehow (can't remember his name).
im saying that peter's mom has the power to 'see'. cuz the painter can only paint the future, but not see it. while Peter seems to be able see what will happen. and i think it is because of that, she will play a vital role in all this and is able to warn the black guy somehow (can't remember his name).
You know what would be an awesome power. Just to be able to see any place. As in you think of a place, and you can see and hear what is happening there.
Personally, I think Peter and Nathan's mom and dad is connected in the same way Hiro's father is. When their dad died, their mom's connection to the company was broken, but she still knows what happens.
I thought #18 was one of the best episode of the series, with the best still being #17. Two great episodes back to back? Heroes, you surprise me. This has now gone from a B show to a B+ show in my book.
Loved the name-dropping of Alonso and Quesada, which, by the way, I never knew how to pronounce until it was mentioned in Daredevil (the latter name, I mean).
You know what would be an awesome power. Just to be able to see any place. As in you think of a place, and you can see and hear what is happening there.
Personally, I think Peter and Nathan's mom and dad is connected in the same way Hiro's father is. When their dad died, their mom's connection to the company was broken, but she still knows what happens.
I have a ton of A-grade shows I watch. I just guess I'm in the minority of people who don't really love Heroes all that much. I don't think it's what it's hyped up to be. And some of the dialogue and is unintentionally downright laughable.
My A-Grade/A minus-grade shows are: The Simpsons (not the current seasons), The Colbert Report, LOST, The Knights of Prosperity, South Park, My Name Is Earl, The Office, Scrubs, and 30 Rock.
And Season 5 of 24 gets an A. Season 6 has been disappointing me lately.
I'd put it at an A-/B+, but it definitely keeps you wanting more
MAJOR SPOILERS
The Following is from Aint It Cool News describing the Paley Heroes event, and previews of several upcoming episodes: "Linderman is explaining that he is responsible for the nuke explosion to come in NYC, and that the reason is the resultant crisis will unite the rest of the world! He alludes to having a power, being part of a earlier group who were doing good deeds, but later fell apart; some of them becoming the cabal we've seen so far. He also feels he's doing the world a favor." This all means, definitively, that Bass was right about Heroes being adapted from Watchmen.
:rockon: One of the BEST LINES EVER in the show.
