Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

[Bass]

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As I was saying, the Yagamoto industries storyline seems to be a currently underlying thread, and it's no wonder it'll be further developed next season.

 

[moonmaster]

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I think that the nuclear bomb plot will either be resolved in the finale, or in the first two episodes of season 2. I can imagine, instead of resolving the bomb plot for the finale, something else, that's been hinted at, will take the front stage and throw the series for a loop.

See, in Babylon 5, we had a mystery from the pilot - which is what happened to Jeffrey Sinclair (the main character) at the Battle of the Line (the last battle in the Earth-Minbari war). The Minbari, who were winning the war totally and completely (they were 1000 years ahead of earth technologically speaking), come to Earth. During the Battle of the Line, the last battle, Sinclair blacks out for 24 hours. When he wakes up - the Minbari surrender. No one knows why. This is the big mystery.

We find out what happened to Sinclair at the Battle of the Line in episode 9, "And the Sky Full of Stars", and we find out why the Minbari surrendered in the first episode of season 2, "Points of Departure".

But the season finale, "Chrysalis", has nothing to do with this arc. It is instead, the pay off to a background sub-plot that's been going on for several episodes innocuously, and builds up to a huge pay off in the climax season 4.

I can imagine that the Yagamoto industries or Mr Linderman being such a catalyst for a completely different story, and that being the finale. With the nuclear plot being revealed in the beginning of season 2.

Yeah, I like that kind of plot structure. A while ago, I started working out an Ultimates-style Justice League fanfic and, though I became exhausted by it and dropped it, it gave me a lot of experience plotting out stories. Even though each issue would be a self-contained story, I would have loads of subplots that would evolve into their own stories, sometimes not until many issues down the line. I imagine juggling that kind of thing on the level of a multiseason series would be quite a feat.

It already been confirmed Malcolm McDowell (A Clockwork Orange, other stuff I can't remember) will be playing Linderman.

YES!

 

[DIrishB]

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He'll be good, but I must say he always seems to play villianous characters.

Well, he'll be playing just the opposite in the Halloween remake by Rob Zombie, where he'll be playing Dr. Sam Loomis...

Which, the idea of which (to me anyway) warrants a :rockon:

Yeah, I like that kind of plot structure. A while ago, I started working out an Ultimates-style Justice League fanfic and, though I became exhausted by it and dropped it, it gave me a lot of experience plotting out stories. Even though each issue would be a self-contained story, I would have loads of subplots that would evolve into their own stories, sometimes not until many issues down the line. I imagine juggling that kind of thing on the level of a multiseason series would be quite a feat.

Its probably not so difficult a feat as you imagine, considering there's an entire writing/editing/continuity team who work on the shows week to week.

Now, a comic or novel series which utilizes this storytelling and done by one author is more impressive, in my eyes.

 

[Ultimate Houde]

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Now, a comic or novel series which utilizes this storytelling and done by one author is more impressive, in my eyes.

Blairwood?

 

[Bass]

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Well, he'll be playing just the opposite in the Halloween remake by Rob Zombie, where he'll be playing Dr. Sam Loomis...

Which, the idea of which (to me anyway) warrants a :rockon:



Its probably not so difficult a feat as you imagine, considering there's an entire writing/editing/continuity team who work on the shows week to week.

Now, a comic or novel series which utilizes this storytelling and done by one author is more impressive, in my eyes.

Don't dismiss the producer. J Michael Straczynski, the guy in charge of Babylon 5, wrote half the episodes of Season 1, and half the episodes of the first half season 2. From the second half of season 2 through to the end of season 5, he wrote every single episode (except one episode in Season 5, penned by Neil Gaiman).

Not only that, but JMS qould give the full writing credits to a single writer, even if he did a rewrite for it.

Tim Kring, the guy in charge of Heroes, could be incredibly and deeply involved with the tv show much more than you think. It's crazy the detail in their - for example, in the second episode, when Parkman is with the FBI agents at the house where he finds the kid that escaped Sylar? Remember they're standing by a swimming pool? Look at the swimming pool. The "Godsend" symbol is IN THE POOL.

There's a lot of coordination to the show, and while it's possible Tim Kring is delegating a lot of it, it's also possible that he, like JMS, is pretty much the author of the show in a very true and meaningful way.

Maybe. I dunno.

 

[DIrishB]

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Don't dismiss the producer. J Michael Straczynski, the guy in charge of Babylon 5, wrote half the episodes of Season 1, and half the episodes of the first half season 2. From the second half of season 2 through to the end of season 5, he wrote every single episode (except one episode in Season 5, penned by Neil Gaiman).

Not only that, but JMS qould give the full writing credits to a single writer, even if he did a rewrite for it.

Tim Kring, the guy in charge of Heroes, could be incredibly and deeply involved with the tv show much more than you think. It's crazy the detail in their - for example, in the second episode, when Parkman is with the FBI agents at the house where he finds the kid that escaped Sylar? Remember they're standing by a swimming pool? Look at the swimming pool. The "Godsend" symbol is IN THE POOL.

There's a lot of coordination to the show, and while it's possible Tim Kring is delegating a lot of it, it's also possible that he, like JMS, is pretty much the author of the show in a very true and meaningful way.

Maybe. I dunno.

I'm not taking any credit away from them, was merely pointing out that whatever their level of involvement in the show, they have an entire support team of writers, editors, continuity checkers, etc to back them up...

Individual authors usually don't have such resources to rely on, and thus must do it themself. Was merely saying its more impressive from the viewpoint of one doing it alone, as opposed to one with a lot of help.

Probably not even a fair comparison, but whatever.

 

[Bass]

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Yeah, it's not a fair comparison because you're not giving weight to the differences in media. There is simply too much physical work not related to writing in film, when compared to the novel or the comic.

 

[DIrishB]

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Yeah, it's not a fair comparison because you're not giving weight to the differences in media. There is simply too much physical work not related to writing in film, when compared to the novel or the comic.

True, but I was really only comparing the writing aspects of each. Made no mention of lighting, filming, or editing in my posts. Was only (at all times) referring to the writing (for both forms of media: TV/film vs. novel/comic).

 

[Willverine]

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Tim Kring might not be a genius, but at this point in the series, I'll definitely say that his idea is genius.

Heroes, bar none, is the best show on television right now.

 

[Bass]

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True, but I was really only comparing the writing aspects of each. Made no mention of lighting, filming, or editing in my posts. Was only (at all times) referring to the writing (for both forms of media: TV/film vs. novel/comic).

Again writing wise - purely on the writing, they probably do write more than an author, simply because the canvas is so big. Around 4 years worth of monthly comics is the same amount of pages as one season of a tv show. The animal is much bigger, and thus, it's not a matter of ability that dictates the writer's involvement (in TV), but time.

I'm not saying that a single writer doing a series is unimpressive, but I'm saying that due to the size of US TV dramas, it's rarely a case of one person lacking the talent to do an entire season, but rather, they just lack the time.

 

[DIrishB]

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Again writing wise - purely on the writing, they probably do write more than an author, simply because the canvas is so big.

Granted.

Around 4 years worth of monthly comics is the same amount of pages as one season of a tv show.

Again, granted. Hence my mention of a whole support team of writers, whatever the level of involvement of the series "rudder" (Kring on Heroes, Moore on BSG, Strac on B5, etc).

The animal is much bigger, and thus, it's not a matter of ability that dictates the writer's involvement (in TV), but time.

And their ability to manage their own time...

I'm not saying that a single writer doing a series is unimpressive,

I know.

but I'm saying that due to the size of US TV dramas, it's rarely a case of one person lacking the talent to do an entire season, but rather, they just lack the time.

Right...yet Strac did it on B5...and I'm pretty sure Kring isn't working on anything else...wait, what was my point again?

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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So who has seen episode 18 "Parasite"?

Another brilliant episode I feel. That last moment of the episode, the cliffhanger... does this mean we have been shown Peter getting 'the scar' that Hiro-From-The-Future mentioned?

 

[DIrishB]

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So who has seen episode 18 "Parasite"?

Another brilliant episode I feel. That last moment of the episode, the cliffhanger... does this mean we have been shown Peter getting 'the scar' that Hiro-From-The-Future mentioned?

Not yet. It airs over here in a little over an hour...I'm honestly surprised its already aired over there, I thought you guys were still in the early episodes of the series (didn't it just start the end of January over there? I thought I remember SJMole saying something like that)...

 

[DIrishB]

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Another pretty cool episode...certainly not the high point of the series so far, but as always it was entertaining and kept me raptly attentive to my TV screen for an hour (minus commercial breaks, so 42 minutes or so).

Sucks we have to wait another 6 weeks for new episodes (April 23), but I'm looking forward to it.

As for the "scar" thing Hellsbuttmonkey mentioned, I think he called it. Though its going to be a hell of an awkward scar...and how can he have a scar anyway if he absorbed Claire's ability to heal?

Speaking of Claire, interesting to see Mrs. Petrelli (Nathan and Peter's mom, and Claire's biological grandmother) has a hand in things.

Also great to finally meet Linderman, though I was a bit underwhelmed. No surprise at all that he knows about everyone's powers.

And I was happy to finally see Hiro get his sword, and apparently regain control of his powers (er, sorta...they did unintentionally end up in the future, after all).

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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Not yet. It airs over here in a little over an hour...I'm honestly surprised its already aired over there, I thought you guys were still in the early episodes of the series (didn't it just start the end of January over there? I thought I remember SJMole saying something like that)...

They are... But Canada gets the episodes that you are on Sunday nights now, so the show is up on Bittorrent networks mondays.

 

[Willverine]

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That episode was N-I-C-E!

I think we might see the big Peter vs. Sylar grudge match on the next episode, which should be good. Anyone else on board with me that Peter's going to tear Sylar a new a-hole? I think Peter is definitely more powerful, and upon encountering Sylar on "Parasite", I think he just picked up a few new powers. I will DEFINITELY say that, if we see other heroes showing up during the fight, Peter is going to annihilate him.

Also, I'm wondering if the new girl who works for Primatech is a shapeshifter or if she has some power to alter reality around her. Anyone know for sure?

 

[TwilightEL]

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That last shot killed me. The hair is gone! :lol:

This episode seriously kicked ***. Ando! Ando and Hiro are back! Nikki quit being such a whiner and actually did something kind of awesome! Another organization metahuman reveals herself, and wow is she a *****! We finally get a good look at Nathan! Linderman owns his first scene! He's like a grandfather or something. It seems like any minute he's going to pull a big present out from behind his back and smile at you, but instead he pulls out freaky revelations and mind****s.

Claire has had a really traumatizing time and latched on to Peter, the only available person who showed an interest in her. However, she's still ****ing stupid. And what's up with Mama Petrelli?

And on a completely shallow note, Ando looks hot in a security guard uniform. :shifty:

 

[Bass]

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Just saw #18 Parasite.

Couple of things - the FBI agents are called Quesada and Alonso. And the code for the Kensei sword is CRM-114 (it's from Doctor Strangelove).

I loved Ando showing up. YAY!

As for the future - note that there are birds and cards driving and that the buildings are being rebuilt. A nuclear explosion doesn't allow for birds, traffic, and construction. This probably means that Hiro teleported a *long* way into the future.

However, I think that if it was the nuclear explosion, he would have to travel far too far forward for the radiation to drop for habitable levels.

I think, instead, that the destruction of New York is not because of the explosion. I think something else has shown up and trashed it. I'm guessing,possibly, the Godzilla Hiro's going to face.

But I have another theory on that - I think Hiro will end up in the distant past (hence, he'll fight dinosaurs) and he is Kensei. The original weilder of the Godsend sword that he now has. That's why it fixed his powers.

Linderman, Niki/Jessica, and Nathan Petrilli - all very cool. Loved Malcolm McDowell as Linderman. The Petrelli mum as helping Claire out - super cool. And DL knows Jessica is Jessica! :rockon:

Two things though - When did HRG become a dimwit? Okay, he talks to his wife and we find out he and his wife are in their little secret conspiracy. Then Candice walks in and says, "I like your hair." At that moment I said, "She's a shapeshifter." Turns out she is. When HRG comes home and talks to his wife, I knew it was Candice. The fact he didn't is silly. He should've known. He's HRG! He beats everyone!

I don't want him to die.

The other thing - Mohinder. He pisses me off. Has since the first episode. Annoying, annoying character. Then, Sylar and he go round looking for specials! Super cool story! Exciting. Mohinder, boring and annoying BUT he's in a super cool story, and I'm enjoying it. Then, out of nowhere, Mohinder OWNS Sylar with... TEA! :rockon: I'm totally into Mohinder now.

Then Sylar breaks free. And you know how? Becuase Mohinder did what every **** supervillain has ever done before, he monologued and told Sylar that he has the List. He deserved to get his brain eaten. Not that it will be much of a meal.

I want smart Mohinder (the one with the deadly tea) to kick Sylar's *** and from then on, never revert to cabbagehead Mohinder (who can't say 'evolution' properly).

And Sylar vs Peter. Mirror match of doom. I loved the hair falling. As for the head cutting - this brings up the whole "why did he need to save Claire?" question.

Think about it - we know, by Peter intervening to save Claire, two things happened - he now has access to her regeneration powers and Sylar does not.

So, it would seem, the nuclear story would somehow hinge on that power. Peter having it is either important, or Sylar not having it is. Or both.

But it would seem, with Claire's power that Peter could never get a scar. I'm sure this scene would've given Peter a scar had Hiro not sent him to Claire. Not sure yet.

Bear in mind that the only way for Peter to blow up New York is to get near to Ted (Radioactive Man), and that has yet to happen...

#18 annoyed me in that it set up too many "something bad is about to happen" scenarios, and not paying off any. I would've like a resolution to something other than Nathan Petrelli's choice. A bit annoying of an episode because it was just too tense. Too tense.

But I'm very eager to see the next episode. This show is really working for me. Yay!

 

[darkspider]

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#18 annoyed me in that it set up too many "something bad is about to happen" scenarios, and not paying off any. I would've like a resolution to something other than Nathan Petrelli's choice. A bit annoying of an episode because it was just too tense. Too tense.

But I'm very eager to see the next episode. This show is really working for me. Yay!

That's my thoughts. It wasn't like last week's, "Company Man", where they answered tons of questions. Or like Homecoming, with the first conflict of Peter/Sylar.

This episode went too fast. This whole episode was mainly just to set up for the final five, which is after this month long break.

But I still liked the episode. I read that two main characters will die. Simone was the first.

So we have:
Mohinder- he's pinned to the wall, and barely alive.
Peter- gets his skull cut open, but I doubt they'll kill him off.
Issac- overdoses on drugs. Here's something I want to mention. In the 2nd episode, we see Issac dead in the future, killed by Sylar. Sylar has Issac's address now. It looks like they'll kill him off.

 

[Bass]

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...

There's a month long break?

WHY?!