Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

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perhaps sylar has some nefaious plan that involves Hiro? I think he only kills those he has targeted, and if there per chance happens to be another person with powers, he'll leave them alone. remember, he's a serial killer, so probably has some whack pattern to his killings.
 
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TheManWithoutFear said:
Or Hiro has only affected her actions and not theirs. Still keeping them and others in the diner for that instance.

I don't think Hiro will save her. The way he thought he could just stop her from going was begging for the entire "you can't change destiny spiel". If Sylar is looking to kill this chick, then he will find her. The question I have is why didn't he take out Hiro?
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There seems to be a high degree of planning in Sylar's actions. I think it will become a lot clearer when Sylar's powers are explained. My best guess at this point is that he has the ability to steal others powers by killing them.

The thing that got me guessing was the radiation guy. He seems to think that if he's killed/ shot while he's emitting radiation he'll go nuclear. Well, what if he's the cause of the explosion Hiro sees in New York? Or if Sylar's has the ability to steal powers, what if Sylar steals radiation guy's power and Claire's there by giving him the power to go nuclear and survive?
 
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MaxwellSmart said:
There seems to be a high degree of planning in Sylar's actions. I think it will become a lot clearer when Sylar's powers are explained. My best guess at this point is that he has the ability to steal others powers by killing them.

The thing that got me guessing was the radiation guy. He seems to think that if he's killed/ shot while he's emitting radiation he'll go nuclear. Well, what if he's the cause of the explosion Hiro sees in New York? Or if Sylar's has the ability to steal powers, what if Sylar steals radiation guy's power and Claire's there by giving him the power to go nuclear and survive?
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crazy, but makes sense. But can claire survive nuclear radiation?
 
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More "musings"...


(1) What is also not clear - to me at least! - is how Sylar KNOWS who "has powers"... or how Monhinder's dad knew... and how Claire's dad knows. Is there some HEROES-version of 'Cerebro' at work? Not literally, of course, but there must be some way to discern who these people are, since most of them (as far as I can tell) have not made the press with their powers (for example, the waitress had clearly only manifested her powers recently, and there is no indication that she had made any kind of noticeable "splash" with them that would have appeared in the press).

(2) Anyone else see the morbid foreshadowing, with the waitress opening that can? As soon as that started - and knowing Sylar was nearby - you could kinda guess things might get ugly...

(3) So Claire's Dad's "assistant" has some sort of "influential" powers? Maybe? I guess you could assume she simply sweet-talked Isaac into shooting up, but I read that scene as suggesting she could... suggest? things to folks that they would tend to act on? More the way the scene was shot, than anything explicit.

(4) Interesting how the "Radioactive Guy" was portrayed. Some nice nuance there. Could see him ending up a "bad guy"... or a "good guy"... or anywhere in the middle. Of course, we are not yet sure just how many police officers got hurt in his big escape....

Shadow
 
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hey there is gonna be a break in the shows between december 4th and Janurary 8th, when the next one will air.
 
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Hey does anyone think this would be a good idea? why not make a fancfic/s of Heroes? But we could make up our charcters, you know, like other s with special powers and discovering them. We could have a couple people working on them, and maybe swapping ideas or such so that they could tie in with each other and the show. Sorta like annihilation, kinda. So any takers?
 
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My two cents...

Radioactive Man has to be the source of the explosion. I still don't see how saving Claire will prevent him from going nuclear, but then maybe we're not supposed to yet.

Are they trying to sell us on the idea that Horn-Rimmed Glasses Guy is NICE? I'm not buying it. Kidnapping the politician makes no sense if he's a nice guy.

How WILL all of this connect together? We ask ourselves that every week, but let's see what we have...

Peter will see the missing painting and be led to Claire by it. Hiro will catch up with Peter. Isaac is already there... or at least very close. Matt... I think he's going to keep chasing after Radioactive Man and/or Sylar and meet up with the others at the very end from the other side, if you will. Nikki and DL... don't see how they'll get involved unless DL happens to be fleeing towards Odessa.

And how will they stop Sylar? Peter looks like the key. Whatever the range of Sylar's powers are, Peter will be his equal... except in experience.
 
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ultimatedjf said:
George Takei (Sulu) will be playing Hiro's dad! (Source: comingsoon.net)
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When George was a guest on the Howard Stern Show for a week or two, was imo the funniest that show has every been. I have never laughed so hard in my life.
 
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Realize this Thread specifies "SPOILERS", but just in case (I know a LOT of us "time shift" and watch the shows later!), there ARE spoilers below, so be forewarned!

A couple of semi-random thoughts...

(1) One thing HEROES flirts with, a bit more than many comic books, etc, is how does a "superhero" learn what he or she can do, what his or her limits are? Claire took a pretty radical route... I am assuming she was (at some point) accidentally injured, and healed at an insane pace, and then (for some reason) kept upping the ante... as we saw with her "tape". Pretty dangerous way to go about it, even if it IS practical... how do you go from relatively minor stunts to letting yourself be hit with a car, etc? YIKES! What if you PASS your limit? (BIG TROUBLE).

Mention this because when Peter was being pursued by Sylar, I thought he MIGHT hide, then spring out and grab Sylar, thus "mimicking" Sylar's powers. Which got me to wondering.. . what is the range for Peter's powers (is physical contact required?), how long does the transferrence last, and how does Peter KNOW what powers he has absorbed? For ex, if he just grabbed Sylar, would he suddenly realize "Hey, I am a telekinetic now" (assuming that IS Sylar's "power")?

(2) Do you suppose that Peter's arrest will allow him to cross paths with the mindreading cop and his FBI buddy? (Sorry, terrible with the names on the show!)... After all, they ARE on the Sylar case!

(3) Not a big fan of the smiling, smug, "dream guide" character (boy with the soccer ball). I take it that, beyond being able to appear in people's dreams, he is also somehow "all knowing"? UGH. Otherwise, granted... would be kind of an odd power - you pop up in peoples' dreams, with no more insight than you normally have. *S* But still...UGH. Just my personal take on it.

(4) Maybe just me, but the Mohinder plotline seems kinda weird. He begins to look into his Dad's research, and seems to be reasonably tolerant of it, not dismissive. He finds out that (apparently) OTHERS are interested in it too, interested enough to have (maybe) killed his father, to threaten him (Mohinder himself!), etc. He learns of some kind of weird (maybe) serial killer involved in the whole thing. Etc etc. And after all that he becomes a SKEPTIC? Realize he is well on his way "back", but the detour seemed oddly forced to me.

(5) Interesting that the show has a very unique, odd "tone" to it - in part because, as the show shifts focus from character to character, they influence that tone. The "Claire" parts seem, to me, very "teen show-esque" (no offense to anyone!) - that is not a knock, just noting that the messages about fitting in, being yourself, etc, would seem at home in many a teen show. The "Psychic Cop" elements (logically) have a "cop show" feel. The Nicki/Jessica/DL elements are certainly edgier, darker, etc. Hiro's sequences are ...well, unique (in a very good way). Not the most novel observation, but I guess I bring it up because I do think it is surprising that they are generally able to do all these different themes WELL...

Sounds like some nitpicking above, but I liked this week's episode a lot. Took away a LOT of the Peter character's "whininess" and showed that he has some real courage in him (easy to ride to the rescue when you feel pretty sure all will end well... NOT so easy when you have an idea it COULD end very very badly). Was a bit surprised that Sylar got taken down so easily, but maybe the suggestion that he was the "big threat" has been wrong all along (he may be unrelated to the "big blast" in NYC!). The Claire parts were great(in real life, would her "buddy" really not just flat out tell her if he was gay or not? I tend to think he WOULD. Ahem).

Another fun week!

Shadow
 
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ShadowPrime said:
Do you suppose that Peter's arrest will allow him to cross paths with the mindreading cop and his FBI buddy? After all, they ARE on the Sylar case!
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That sounds good, but I'm not sure the cops are traveling around the country. Peter's been busted in Odessa, remember? Still, I can see them maybe catching a flight to check things out and when Peter mimics Matt's telepathy... oh boy!

ShadowPrime said:
Not a big fan of the smiling, smug, "dream guide" character (boy with the soccer ball). I take it that, beyond being able to appear in people's dreams, he is also somehow "all knowing"?
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I think maybe he just helps the dreamer bring the answer out of themselves, so the boy doesn't really have any answers.

ShadowPrime said:
Maybe just me, but the Mohinder plotline seems kinda weird. He begins to look into his Dad's research, and seems to be reasonably tolerant of it, not dismissive. He finds out that (apparently) OTHERS are interested in it too, interested enough to have (maybe) killed his father, to threaten him (Mohinder himself!), etc. He learns of some kind of weird (maybe) serial killer involved in the whole thing. Etc etc. And after all that he becomes a SKEPTIC? Realize he is well on his way "back", but the detour seemed oddly forced to me.
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Yeah, I think it plays out weird as well. Maybe the girl told Mohinder to give up? <shrug>

ShadowPrime said:
Was a bit surprised that Sylar got taken down so easily.
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Yeah, that was a little disappointing after the build-up we've been getting.
 
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The more I watch this show, the more I feel an urge to read old stories from JMS' Rising Stars. Granted, as Heroes progresses, it starts to feel less like Rising Stars, but I can't help but shake the feeling that there are similarities, in terms of themes, and individual characters' personalities, etc.

I have just one question that i'm dying to be answered (hopefully within the next 5 episodes): is Mr. Linderman "simply" a very influential mob/organized crime figure (like Wilson Fisk)? Or does he actually have some connection to the emergence of the superpowers (like Ultimate Norman Osbourne)?

And is Mr. Bennett's desire for Claire to be removed from Suresh's list motivated simply by his fatherly concern for her, or is the reason connected to the goals of his organization?
 
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Another terrific episode - how many in a row is that? Ten? Not a bad run - some have been slower than others, and as I noted, I wasn't a big fan of the smirking, soccer ball holding "dream kid", but quite a batting average!

In usual, inelegant, "list" form...

(1) "Heroes" is clearly not going the LOST route, or even the TWIN PEAKS route - a lot of backstory is being filled in, pretty quickly. Whether that bodes good or ill, long term, they are obviously not going to build the show around keeping the backstory totally shadowy (with, perhaps, a few exceptions!)...

(2) Enjoyed Sylar's origins (is there a SYLAR watch? A quick search didn't turn anything up, and I suspect if there WAS some really dedicated HEROES fan would have found it by now!) ... SYLAR always sounded like a "fake" name to me and for a while I wondered if it was some sort of "scrambled word" or acronym. Kind of impressed how three-dimensionally troubling the guy seemed, given that the Sylar backstory (last night) took about ...what...twenty minutes of screen time? And, no offense, but the actor playing Sylar is one unusual looking guy, isn't he? I had kind of assumed his brain fixation was just a sign of his dementia, but apparently that literally IS the way he learns about, and "steals", the powers of others...by studying their brains, taking their brains, or.... *SHUDDER* Yechh.

(3) I am greatly enjoying (like everyone else) the Hiro segments, and trying not to overthink the time travel parts of his adventures. I don't see how he can return to the SAME diner, and talk with his friend Ando, who remembers a meeting with the waitress that now did NOT take place (in other words, Ando remembers meeting the waitress, with Hiro, a day or two ago... but NOW, Hiro met her six months ago, is in the birthday pic, etc... so the meeting a day or two ago could not "happen that way"!). I still think the Marvel time travel "system" works best, in a fictional setting... you can create alternate timelines, but you can't alter YOURS. Hiro didn't alter the timeline in the way he wanted, but he DID alter it.

(4) Interesting how Claire discovered her powers - plausible, at least. I think I noted before - good thing she HAS those powers; she apparently lives in a town that is amazingly dangerous for teens (I may have missed a thing or two, but by my count, Claire would have died at least TWICE now if not for her powers, through incidents that have nothing to do with her abilities or her testing herself... once when her neck would have been completely broken on the football field, and once during the date-rape attack ... and I have to go back and watch it, but did the "kitchen disposal" incident happen "by accident" too? ... is she just singularly accident prone? *S*)

HOWEVER... how is Claire's "Dad" supposed to have covered up the whole date-rape thing? I mean... I know the date-rapist himself was mind-wiped, but what about the doctor at the morgue? The police? The morgue attendants? A pretty young blonde was apparently found, brought into the morgue, and an autopsy begun. Then she just ...vanishes? Surely this would cause a pretty big stir? I guess you can assume the women with the "voice" power tracked EVERYONE down and told them to forget it, but... I know, I know, sometimes you just have to sit back and enjoy the ride, not get OVERLY picky. Maybe this is one of those times...*S*

Thoughts from other HEROES afficianados?

Shadow
 
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ShadowPrime said:
(1) "Heroes" is clearly not going the LOST route, or even the TWIN PEAKS route - a lot of backstory is being filled in, pretty quickly. Whether that bodes good or ill, long term, they are obviously not going to build the show around keeping the backstory totally shadowy (with, perhaps, a few exceptions!)...
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I, for one, think the pacing has an excellent balance of revelation and mystery. For example, they gave us a complete explanation of what happened during Nathan's car accident, but they introduced several new plot points: (a) his father's connection to Mr. Linderman, (b) what crime Linderman is being accused of exactly.

ShadowPrime said:
I had kind of assumed his brain fixation was just a sign of his dementia, but apparently that literally IS the way he learns about, and "steals", the powers of others...by studying their brains, taking their brains, or.... *SHUDDER* Yechh.
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Yet another case of a character's backstory being revealed, while still leaving part of the details obscured. It's a great formula, and I find the whole partial disclosure approach more satisfying than Lost, because it actually offers the real promise of answers in the near future, rather than the prolonged speculation generated by Lost's narrative format.

ShadowPrime said:
I have to go back and watch it, but did the "kitchen disposal" incident happen "by accident" too? ... is she just singularly accident prone? *S*)
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Nope, that incident seemed to be Claire deliberately testing the limits of her powers, while she was in a particularly foul mood.

ShadowPrime said:
I know the date-rapist himself was mind-wiped, but what about the doctor at the morgue? The police? The morgue attendants? A pretty young blonde was apparently found, brought into the morgue, and an autopsy begun. Then she just ...vanishes? Surely this would cause a pretty big stir?
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More than Eden, I would think it would be the Haitian who tracks down the mortician/s and police, to erase the memory of the incident. Since it seems like he does this kind of stuff full-time, I would imagine that it's practically part of his daily routine, at this point.
 
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ShadowPrime said:
(5) Interesting that the show has a very unique, odd "tone" to it - in part because, as the show shifts focus from character to character, they influence that tone. The "Claire" parts seem, to me, very "teen show-esque" (no offense to anyone!) - that is not a knock, just noting that the messages about fitting in, being yourself, etc, would seem at home in many a teen show. The "Psychic Cop" elements (logically) have a "cop show" feel. The Nicki/Jessica/DL elements are certainly edgier, darker, etc. Hiro's sequences are ...well, unique (in a very good way). Not the most novel observation, but I guess I bring it up because I do think it is surprising that they are generally able to do all these different themes WELL...
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This is because each storyline, such as the Pertrelli's, the Sanders, Hiro, and Claire, are eacj written by different writers. This allows each story to be given a 100% effort. The main writer then takes all these and incorporates them into the show. It's an interestin take, and one that I myself am trying to do (without the extra writers) in my story, Heroes: The Others.
 
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Do you think we are to assume that Claire doesn't feel any pain, or much pain? It would certainly be handy to have Claire's "healing ability", but even so, I wouldn't want to experience the "hand down the disposal" bit, or being hit by a car, or breaking a bunch of bones in a multistory drop, etc. In a pinch - a combat situation, etc - sure, it might be a necessity, but I certainly wouldn't court pain the way Claire seems to (unless she is a LOT darker than we have been led to believe).

Shadow
 
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What a hell of an episode to end the year on!
Peter sees himself as the explosion.
Claire's dad wipes Zach and Claire's brothers memories of her powers.
The Haitian goes to wipe Claire but reveals his own agenda.
Sylar escapes.
Eden kills herself to stop Sylar gaining her powers.
Niki hands herself over to the cops to stop Jessica.
And the most important, vital revelation of the show to date. Isaac draws

HIRO FIGHTING A T-REX!!!!! WITH A SWORD!!!!
 
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