Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

[leather_w0lf]

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WHO NEEDS GOD WHEN YOU GOT ME?

New Catch phrase for the second half of the season.

Oh, and Sylar DID NOT escape after killing Eden.

Zach returns.

Still no visual on Linderman.

My source is ligit.

 

[SSJmole]

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YES!!!!!!

February 19th 1pm on sci fi it starts in the uk at last been waiting over a year to see this.

 

[Willverine]

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WHO NEEDS GOD WHEN YOU GOT ME?

New Catch phrase for the second half of the season.

Oh, and Sylar DID NOT escape after killing Eden.

Zach returns.

Still no visual on Linderman.

My source is ligit.

It's legit but we'll let that slide.

Who needs god when you got me? Who does that refer to, exactly? Seems like something that could be attributed to Peter or Sylar, or both... other than that, only HRG makes much sense.

I heard an interesting rumor about Linderman, but just a rumor. According to that rumor, the creators of Heroes haven't revealed Linderman yet because they are looking at getting a high-profile actor who just happens to be on his way out of a successful multi-year series. Who else but James Gandolfini to play a big-time organized crime boss? Just a rumor. I doubt it's going to be the case, but that would definitely add some star power to the show. If it has any basis in truth, it all comes down to one thing...

IS HE ON THE LIST?

Haha, no. It all comes down to, can they afford him. I may need some clarification on this, but isn't he getting paid around $1 mil per episode for the Sopranos?

 

[Victor Von Doom]

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"Who needs God when you got me..." came from Nikki. Or more exactly her alter ego. Nikki was lying there in a psych room begging for God to help her, then she turned her head to the side and uttered that phrase.

 

[darkspider]

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pretty good episode. My one qualm with it is that during Peter's coma, his dream was just flashings of scenes from later on. It didn't seem that dream like. I think they could've tried harder, or at least not continuely flash the same scenes that they showed in the promos.

 

[Willverine]

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Good episode, with more questions just being brought up, like where did Mr. Bennett move his operation? Parkman was asking about a "secret room" but I think Bennett and Co. knew that Parkman and the FBI were on to him, so he moved shop.

When the FBI agent mentioned Eden's body being found in Ontario, that gave a bit of an idea, but I'm trying not to read much into it. She was living in New York, which isn't too far from Ontario.

There also seem to be two different types of heroes in the story now. There's the naturally gifted, some of whom are identified by the genome symbol (includes Niki, the Haitian and Hiro... or at least Hiro's sword so far) and perhaps some who were given their abilities through experimentation. Parkman, for one, and if you saw the teaser preview during Deal or No Deal, Hana and Ted Sprague. Ando recognized the symbol as a combination of two different characters, meaning "godsend" and "great talent" and the Haitian mentioned something about their abilities being "from God" when he was talking to Claire. Parkman, Hana and Sprague all have the injection marks (=) on them.

There are some rumors that Linderman is behind Bennett's organization, but I'm not so sure about that. All of Linderman's dealings in the show have had something to do with the "godsend/great talent" symbol, while a lot of Bennett's "catches" have the injection marks. However, if Linderman is behind the organization, I have a theory about the importance of Sylar. If it turns out Linderman is one of the bad guys and he's behind the OWI (Organization Without Identification), he may possibly be so interested in Sylar because he wants to know how Sylar acquires the different powers. Linderman may want that for himself, so he can acquire ABSOLUTE POWER! That would make sense, but it all remains to be seen.

This is still my favorite show right now, period. Keeps getting better.

 

[leather_w0lf]

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Wii righters git laizee with spell chek sumtimez.

Ligit, legit, wahhh. It's slang either way.

What a kick *** episode - the Heroes machine keeps roling and picking up steam. Jessica's last statement was creepy. I expected the Invisible Man to say that line. I doubt that Gandolfini will show up as Linderman.

 

[darkspider]

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the = symbol was on Matt after he first discovered his powers. So I don't think he was given them through experiments.

 

[Willverine]

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the = symbol was on Matt after he first discovered his powers. So I don't think he was given them through experiments.

Possibly, but...

They showed a quick teaser preview during Deal or No Deal last night, before the new episode aired. Hana (the Israeli girl from the last few graphic novels who can hear phone/computer/radio/tv transmissions and communicate in much the same way) found Ted Sprague in his hideout and mentioned "what they've done to us", and she was referring to the same "=" symbol, which apparently isn't a symbol but rather marks from an injection. She even showed him the schematic for the injection device and told him to "look at the needle". If you get a chance, you should try watching that. It's probably available on the heroes site, or probably on YouTube.

I think the "=" marks have a lot to do with Bennett and his organization, since Hana's graphic novel story has to do with her being "recruited" by Bennett. Parkman was also abducted by Bennett and the Haitian, and discovered his marks after that abduction. They haven't gone into Sprague's origin too much yet, but Parkman noticed they had the same marks. They probably had their powers before that, but the injection probably kickstarted them, or maybe it turned them on "full-time". That would explain why Sprague couldn't exert too much control over his powers, and ended up killing his wife with radiation poisoning.

 

[darkspider]

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Possibly, but...

They showed a quick teaser preview during Deal or No Deal last night, before the new episode aired. Hana (the Israeli girl from the last few graphic novels who can hear phone/computer/radio/tv transmissions and communicate in much the same way) found Ted Sprague in his hideout and mentioned "what they've done to us", and she was referring to the same "=" symbol, which apparently isn't a symbol but rather marks from an injection. She even showed him the schematic for the injection device and told him to "look at the needle". If you get a chance, you should try watching that. It's probably available on the heroes site, or probably on YouTube.

I think the "=" marks have a lot to do with Bennett and his organization, since Hana's graphic novel story has to do with her being "recruited" by Bennett. Parkman was also abducted by Bennett and the Haitian, and discovered his marks after that abduction. They haven't gone into Sprague's origin too much yet, but Parkman noticed they had the same marks. They probably had their powers before that, but the injection probably kickstarted them, or maybe it turned them on "full-time". That would explain why Sprague couldn't exert too much control over his powers, and ended up killing his wife with radiation poisoning.

that's a nice theory. i did watch the thing with Hana as well. I read somewhere that the two marks are from the insertion of mirco-chips, like those used for tracking a person. that would make alot of sense, since Bennet's orginazation "intereferes" in the lives of meta-humans, and then erases their memories of the incidents. They probably insert chips so that they can keep an eye on the meta-humans.

 

[Volunteer Fire Detective]

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I don't know why, but this episode just didn't do it for me. It didn't seem as good as some of the episodes last season, and just seemed a little rushed, like they were trying too hard to fit a lot into one episode, but didn't actually manage to have anything of consequence happen. I know, sounds weird, but oh well. Maybe it's because I had just come of the adrenaline high that is 24 when I watched it (I taped Heroes and watched it right after 24 was on). Anyhow, this just seemed like a weak opening to the second half of the season to me.

 

[DIrishB]

Heroes Timeline

Here's a timeline I put together for the show Heroes, which incorporates both the episodes and the "graphic novels" (4-6 page comic stories which act as prequels or interquels of episodes). Episodes are in bold, graphic novels in italics. The dates are underlines, with a notation of the episode number or graphic novel number in parentheses.

A few quick notes: The timeline is linear based on the events happening to the characters, hence, the episode "Six Months Ago" is listed in airing order, with notations in parentheses showing the majority of the episode occuring at that time. In the case of the graphic novels, large time jumps are incorporated in as best as possible, though most I consider "flashbacks". For instance, the opening to Monsters starts in the present, jumps back to 1982 in a very quick flashback to Mohinder's childhood, then back to the present, running parallel to the pilot. Also, many of the dates for the graphic novels are guess-timates based on show events and time notations in the comics themselves.

Enjoy.

(See next post for timeline).

 

[DIrishB]

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[Willverine]

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DIB, thanks for putting that together... however, there are some questions I have.

You have the entire Wireless story from the GN put pretty close to the last few issues. There were a few parts to that story that took place in the past, possibly years ago. Also, I think the events in the GN "How Do You Stop An Exploding Man?" happen before, or concurrently to, the last few episodes.

Could be wrong, but that's how it seems. Just figured I would mention it so you can make changes, if needed.

Keep up the good work, historian.

 

[DIrishB]

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DIB, thanks for putting that together... however, there are some questions I have.

You have the entire Wireless story from the GN put pretty close to the last few issues. There were a few parts to that story that took place in the past, possibly years ago.

Yes, this is true. I talked about this in the post before the actual timeline. Several of the graphic novels contain stories which bridge large jumps in time, but almost all are presented as flashbacks. This timeline (much like my Lost timeline) accounts only for the passage of time in the character's present (otherwise it gets overly complicated). The scenes of Hana's past (and her mother and grandmother's) to me come across as flashback events, much like Suresh's memories of his childhood and beyond in the first issue, Monsters. Stories which actually take place in the past (like Turning Point, Snapshots, and Stolen Time) are positioned to reflect that.

In addition, the episode "Six Months Ago" mostly takes place around the same time as the comics Snapshots and Stolen Time, but is positioned in its airing order because the only character who traveled to the past was Hiro, while the others stayed in October, 2006. Hence, a notation is made by this episode to reflect that time travel, but it otherwise listed as October 9.

Also, I think the events in the GN "How Do You Stop An Exploding Man?" happen before, or concurrently to, the last few episodes.

Very possible. If its reflected as such on the show, I'll change the dates for it (I believe we might see Ted again very soon, next few episodes or so, so that might answer the question of its placement better).

Could be wrong, but that's how it seems. Just figured I would mention it so you can make changes, if needed.

No problems, appreciate the input. Let me know if my answers make sense, or if something still doesn't jive for you.

Keep up the good work, historian.

Thanks, and its a promise I'll be doing this weird-*** **** for awhile yet.

 

[ProjectX2]

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I've seen the first five episodes, I think, and am I the only one who's just not that interested in this? I find it a chore to watch, but everyone says it's great, so I keep watching it...

 

[TwilightEL]

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I've seen the first five episodes, I think, and am I the only one who's just not that interested in this? I find it a chore to watch, but everyone says it's great, so I keep watching it...

*gasp* Blasphemy!

Seriously, I love this show to pieces, but I can get why you wouldn't like it. It's not really possible to watch the show casually, since it's got such a large cast and complex, fast-moving plot. If you've seen five episodes and you're not getting any enjoyment out of it, I'd just drop it.

 

[DIrishB]

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Also, I think the events in the GN "How Do You Stop An Exploding Man?" happen before, or concurrently to, the last few episodes.

Now I remember why I had placed this where I had on the timeline: its specifically stated in the first part of the graphic novel that it takes place three weeks after Ted Sprague escapes from FBI imprisonment. This was on October 8 of the show's timeline, placing the first part of "How Do You Stop an Exploding Man?" on October 29. Timeline-wise this makes a certain amount of sense, as both Ted and Hana will be appearing on the show in the upcoming episode "Unexpected" (airing 2/19).

Also, readjusted some stuff and confirmed placement for tonight's episode.


As for tonight's episode, I liked it, as always. My only complaint was I wish Hiro got more screen-time, but then again he gets a lot already. I liked the twist at the end with Claire turning out to apparently be

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Nathan's daughter

.

 

[Willverine]

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I was happy that tonight's episode confirmed my belief that

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Nathan

was Claire's father. I had that figured out when they showed the watch and the sleeve of the shirt... it couldn't have been anyone else.

The preview for next week's show looks pretty intense. It seems like Niki... or I guess it's just Jessica for now... is going to

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kill Matt Parkman

. The creators had been talking about rumors that someone was going to die soon, looks like we might have our victim. Maybe... could be a red herring. The ominous statement that "the line between good and evil will be drawn" sounded pretty promising, though.

Just keeps getting better... the end of every episode just has me waiting for more.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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Good episode. I was pretty surprised to see that Nathan was her father. I really wanted it to be Linderman. I heard that rumor and instantly loved the idea. That should make for an interesting introduction.