Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

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Hellsbuttmonkey said:
Peter sees himself as the explosion.
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What's up with that? Why does Peter have dreams of the future? Are we to assume he has a secondary power of some sort?

Claire's dad wipes Zach and Claire's brothers memories of her powers.
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Totally predictable.

Sylar escapes.
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I am left wondering how they thought they could possibly hold Sylar in a standard cell. HRG remarked that the cell would hold Sylar, but didn't say why he believed that. Odd...

And the most important, vital revelation of the show to date. Isaac draws HIRO FIGHTING A T-REX!!!!! WITH A SWORD!!!!
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Which to me suggests that Hiro will be transporting the nuclear guy back to the time of the dinosaurs where he'll explode and create the crater which is supposed to account for why the dinosaurs all died.
 
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but he really needs to get that sword

also, with the new arc line being, "are you on the list?", will we see alot more heroes? I mean, will they go into the realm of really unrealistic powers? Most of the ones now aren't too flashy such as energy or element control.
 
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Hellsbuttmonkey said:
Eden kills herself to stop Sylar gaining her powers.
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See I'm not so sure about that. We didn't see either of them actually taking the bullet. I thought at first that Eden did kill herself, but then I took note of the look on Sylar's face before the shot was fired... it was a look of surprise. Sure, he could've been surprised that she would shoot herself and also, a little annoyed by it since he wouldn't get her power.

Then again, on the preview for the next episode in 2007, it showed what looked like Sylar laying on the floor, slack jawed. Got me wondering if maybe she told him to shoot himself in the part of his brain that makes him "see how things work". Just a thought.

Great episode in all. There's still a lot of story to go from the looks of it, which is great. I'm going to mark Jan. 22 on my calendar for sure.
 
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Good episode last night, but it'll be the last one I watch on the TV, since it'll be going up against 24 when it returns. If I stick with this show, I'll have to watch the episodes at nbc.com, since I have no video or DVR recorder.
 
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Jack of Hearts said:
What's up with that? Why does Peter have dreams of the future? Are we to assume he has a secondary power of some sort?
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I'm not sure, I think it may be similar to the time he dreamed he was flying, and then developed Nathan's powers



Jack of Hearts said:
I am left wondering how they thought they could possibly hold Sylar in a standard cell. HRG remarked that the cell would hold Sylar, but didn't say why he believed that. Odd...
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It made sense when the Haitian was around as he seems to nuke powers nearby, hence why he couldn't do anything when he was talking to Mr Bennet. But Eden would know that he wasn't there to protect her, so it was bizarre that she would even go in there without him nearby. Maybe she got cocky in her abilities?
 
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The Haitian seems to indicate something to me about their powers--they don't have to have power X. They can have power A, which manifests itself as X, Y and Z. I think the Haitian can shut off parts of people's brain--close down their powers, erase their memories. Hiro can warp reality, allowing him to affect time and space. Mica's affinity with machines will doubtless express itself in many ways. Sylar can see the way things work, from DNA to watches--sorry, timepieces.

I think Peter is more than just a power copier. I think he might be some kind of conduit for the power of the heroes. I think we were intentionally misled as to the nature of his power, and he actually has some kind of godlike power that's only manifesting itself as copying at the moment. I think he might be the most powerful hero of them all. There's more to his power than meets the eye... no way the writers would give him a set of random and unrelated powers, there's something tying them together.

Judging by that shot of Peter in the hospital bed in the previews, he'll be in a coma--maybe he'll meet Smug Soccer Ball Dream Boy and get some answers.
 
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Yeah....when this comes back they ought to change it to Tuesday nights or it's gonna lose a lot of people to 24.

Anyway, nothing much to say here. It's still right behind LOST as the best show on TV and gets better by the week. It's epic.

Claire is probably my favourite TV heroine ever, with the possible exception of Teri Hatcher's Lois Lane.

Do Nathan and Peter remind anyone else of Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner?

Hiro and Ando's buddy dynamic remains as awesome as ever, and Det. Parkman is such a terrific character. The psychic feedback scene? Wow.

I really hope Zach gets his memory back.


P.S. Does anyone in this picture looks familiar to you?
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That's from August 31st, 1987. Masi Oka has an I.Q. of 180!:shock:
 
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Planet-man said:
P.S. Does anyone in this picture looks familiar to you?
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That's from August 31st, 1987. Masi Oka has an I.Q. of 180!:shock:
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Oh, those Asian-American whiz kids!
 
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i looked at wikipedia. On the episodes page they have a very brief blurb about the episode on Jan 22.( one day after my b-day, so this is a very nice present indeed). It says some cliffhangers are resolved. and a new hero will be revealed. His name is Claude, and he's British. It says he'll offer a new perspective to what happening and he meets Peter. I think the perspective is about Peter blowing up. Maybe he isn't the cause for the explosion. Isn't there a thing like one explosion can reverse another, or stop it? Maybe Peter blowing up is supposed to counter the nuke guys explosion?
 
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As usual, it was a good episode. Are they implying that Sylar could always escape or that he figured out how to counter the neutralizing effect of the room? I'm assuming the latter.
 
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I think that Sylar's cell was designed to negate his powers. Except for the fact that Sylar's original/main power is to see and comprehend the flaws in things and know how to fix them. Eventually, he figured out how "fix" the cell. It had nothing to do with "The Haitian" or Mr. Bennet.

This is really an awesome show, period. No matter how you deconstruct it. Fanboys that I know have tried to say that it's too contrived and it's predictable because it's based on characters that we've grown to love or hate throughout our lives. No problem for me. I'm almost 30 and the past 10 years of having comic book movies like the X-Men (trilogy so far) and Spider-Man are a dream come true. Even the weakest links (i.e. a Ben Affleck Daredevil) are better than the Punisher, Captain America and Fantastic Four movies from the early-to-mid 1990's. Heroes just ups the ante because it puts superheroes on primetime TV in a realistic and compelling manner. I don't care that some of the heroes can be compared to existing comic book characters and/or situations. The fact that it's being put on a marquee time slot and with great production values and proven talent means a lot, because (personally) it shows that TV executives are interested in making shows that appeal to my demographic (late 20's - early 30's folks who grew up reading comics and watching sci-fi movies).

As with comic books, there are really endless possibilities with a show of this nature. Considering that comic series' such as the X-Men, Spider-Man and the Avengers have spanned decades.... ok even though not a DC fan so much I will also add to the pot Action Comics, Detective Comics, Superman, Batman and the like... that should go without saying. Superheroes will always give the creator(s) more room to work with than standard fiction.

I can't wait until Jan. 22!
 
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Willverine:

Great post! And - among many other excellent points - you definitely pegged it that this is a great time to be a fan of "superheroes". It is an odd thing, in that comic books themselves were actually a lot MORE "accessible" in the distant days of my youth - every newsstand and 7-11 had a spinning rack of them, for example! - but in other ways, superheroes have really managed to permeate the mainstream culture (remember when "comic book shops" were almost inevitably located low-rent neighborhoods, and had (by comparison) relatively little "merchandise" to offer (action figures, posters, etc)?). Now... unreal. With advances in technology, if it can be drawn or imagined, it can be put "on film". True, "suspension of disbelief" enabled us to still enjoy the live-action Superman, the live-action Spiderman, and the Six Million Dollar Man...but now? Less and less of that suspension is required. And like you, I welcome HEROES, unreservedly...

And now on to my (last for a while, since the series is on hiatus!) inelegant list of comments inspired by the last "new" episode for a while...

(1) I had completely forgotten Sylar's ability to "figure out how things work", and its possible connection to his suddenly being able to shatter the safety glass, etc. Not sure that IS "the" solution, but seems plausible - and if it IS the solution, he is a LOT more powerful than I had imagined, given his recent capture. Makes a lot more sense than thinking he was being held captive by "a bluff" - his powers negated only when the Haitian was about.

(2) I am sorry to see Eden go - and maybe I am assuming too much, but it sure looked pretty clear to me that she killed herself to keep Sylar from stealing her abilities. She had some nice ambiguities to her character, and a pretty cool power.

(3) Given the sheer number of characters involved, I am pleasantly surprised that the writers have been able, by and large, to flesh them out... to the extent that I actually felt a bit sad for Claire when she discovered the mind-wipe of her "co-conspirator" (drawing a blank on his name) had basically erased their friendship - not just the knowledge of her power.

(4) Why did Peter seem sick? Have to believe there is some significance to that... but not sure what it could mean. Thanks to Claire's powers, he survived the fall and I don't think we are meant to believe that her powers wore off before he was fully healed....?

(5) Peter's dream - interesting. Not quite as convinced as he seems to be that it is meant to LITERALLY show the future (lots of details would seem to speak against that - Cop in uniform, Claire dressed as cheerleader, etc). But interesting.

(6) Okay... nit-picking time. Psychic-Cop's FBI partner (I really have to work on these names!) seemed just a bit TOO dismissive of his wife's infidelity, don't you think? I mean, sure, you have to "work at a relationship" and all that...but...er...she DID have an affair, right? With one of his colleagues/superiors? SHEESH. I mean... yeah, they MIGHT be able to move past that..over time... but that isn't exactly a LITTLE bump in the road. I mean, really. Come on.

(7) Interesting that while everyone else flees from the "exploding Peter", his sometimes shady brother appears to have been determined to stand by him. That IS consistent, largely, with how he has been portrayed - whatever other questionable aspects to his character, he DOES seem to be pretty loyal when it comes to Peter (even if his means of expressing it, like the destruction of the painting, sometimes seem harsh)...

(8) Hiro and Ando remain fun just about every time they are onscreen. I wonder if the writers feel like they caught lightning in a bottle there. Can you really "see " the "star potential" of those two characters on the page? I rather doubt it... the actors bring a LOT to those two.

(9) Nikki turning herself in could lead to some interesting developments - unless she is simply dismissed as crazy. Going to be hard selling the story that petite Nikki just tore apart a room full of goons, unarmed, unless Jessica makes an appearance... and I think she is rather too smart for that!

With the holidays, January 22d will be here before we know it, but even so... wish the next few weeks would bring us new episodes!

Shadow
 
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ShadowPrime said:
(1) I had completely forgotten Sylar's ability to "figure out how things work", and its possible connection to his suddenly being able to shatter the safety glass, etc. Not sure that IS "the" solution, but seems plausible - and if it IS the solution, he is a LOT more powerful than I had imagined, given his recent capture. Makes a lot more sense than thinking he was being held captive by "a bluff" - his powers negated only when the Haitian was about.
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I don't think his power allowed him to suddenly shatter the glass. He was just suddenly able to tap into his TK and use it (and Eden) to shatter the glass. His power let him tap into his stolen TK. It's interesting to see his power in action, but I have to wonder if they aren't really straining the audience there. Will the public understand such a subtle ability? And what exactly WAS blocking Sylar before? If we assume that the Haitian did something mentally to him we have to wonder if Sylar's ability let him undo the block or is it the more likely case that the Haitian removed the block since we see that he's not exactly a loyal servant of his 'boss'?

ShadowPrime said:
(2) I am sorry to see Eden go - and maybe I am assuming too much, but it sure looked pretty clear to me that she killed herself to keep Sylar from stealing her abilities. She had some nice ambiguities to her character, and a pretty cool power.
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Yeah, she's dead by her own hand. You like her power? Jesse Custer used it much more effectively... but I wouldn't expect to see that sort of thing on network television. :)

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(9) Nikki turning herself in could lead to some interesting developments - unless she is simply dismissed as crazy. Going to be hard selling the story that petite Nikki just tore apart a room full of goons, unarmed, unless Jessica makes an appearance... and I think she is rather too smart for that!
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At the very least, it just might cause a situation which will connect her with the cop...
 
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