Captain America Vol. 5 by Ed Brubaker discussion (SPOILERS!)

[Ultimate Houde]

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Ted Kord got shot in the head too

But, who says this won't make a good story? We haven't finished reading the story yet. don't judge it before it's put out.

 

[Random]

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Slow news day, that's all I have to say about Marvel's "media whoring". Same reason why Anna Nicole Smith was on, there's nothing better to report.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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I started reading comic books in 1992.

 

[TwilightEL]

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Ted Kord got shot in the head too

But, who says this won't make a good story? We haven't finished reading the story yet. don't judge it before it's put out.

Yeah, by one of the most powerful supervillains in the world after he tracked him down on his own.

It's almost like a compliment, as if he got shot by Doctor Doom--they're acknowledging that he's a threat to them.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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Yeah, by one of the most powerful supervillains in the world after he tracked him down on his own.

It's almost like a compliment, as if he got shot by Doctor Doom--they're acknowledging that he's a threat to them.

And Cap was assassinated by Crossbones (his second most major nemesis) under orders by the Red Skull (his major nemesis).

 

[TwilightEL]

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And Cap was assassinated by Crossbones (his second most major nemesis) under orders by the Red Skull (his major nemesis).

You're right. I wasn't trying to say Cap was killed disgracefully, just pointing out that Ted did get a decent ending.

I think this is stupid for other reasons. Joe Q and his administration used up any goodwill they had about keeping characters dead when they brought back Captain Marvel, thereby pissing all over a decades-old classic. Yes, I know his death wasn't technically undone and he's just displaced in the timestream, but it's still incredibly stupid.

 

[thee great one]

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[Void.M]

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Wait,This is an actual cover?


sweat

 

[thee great one]

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Wait,This is an actual cover?


sweat

The varint to one of the War Journal issues.

If there is a God than this is a horrible April's Fools joke.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

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I'm mad because killing one of the greatest characters for marketing instead of great stroytelling is complete bs. The issue wasn't even great. it was good, but not great. It's complete crap that marvel has to do things like this to sell more comics. I wouldn't even mind his death if he went out like a true hero. He was killed so non chalant that it makes me nautious. How does a b rate hero like ted cord get to go out in style but not captain america? There is a way to make a good story and still get the media press and i think marvel didn't try hard enough. Like always, they settle.

I feel like people think Marvel told Brubaker to ax Steve Rogers. Isn't it possible that the man that half this board would drop to their knees for suggested that he wanted to kill Captain America for storytelling potential?

Think about it. Did Marvel kill off Captain America to get noticed? Or did Marvel kill off Captain America and then get noticed?

 

[TwilightEL]

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I feel like people think Marvel told Brubaker to ax Steve Rogers. Isn't it possible that the man that half this board would drop to their knees for suggested that he wanted to kill Captain America for storytelling potential?

Think about it. Did Marvel kill off Captain America to get noticed? Or did Marvel kill off Captain America and then get noticed?

It's true that Captain America wasn't killed out of editorial mandate, but many (does anyone have an exact number?) major news outlets had a story on it THE DAY THE COMIC WAS RELEASED. They whored out the story before most people had a chance to buy the comic.

 

[Ice]

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It's true that Captain America wasn't killed out of editorial mandate, but many (does anyone have an exact number?) major news outlets had a story on it THE DAY THE COMIC WAS RELEASED. They whored out the story before most people had a chance to buy the comic.

Which is why I think it's better off to whore off on the next day. Less angry cries to hear.

Edit:

Brevoort talks on Cap's death

 

[Bass]

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I wasn't. I was brought into comics by Ultimate Spider-Man.

But I actually like comics. I give a **** about them. When I hear someone I like wrote something, I investigate and buy it. I learn about major events in characters' pasts and enjoy it when they're referenced. I read about past industry events and trends and styles. I love authors who are continuity geeks. I'm a teenager in high school and I want the Spider-marriage to stay.

I know history repeating itself when I see it. Why? Because I'm serious about comics and I want them to be good so I can buy and enjoy more of them.

Yeah, I'm the same. I love comics and I want to enjoy more of them.

That's exactly what I'm talkiing about. There's people who can make that comparison and people who can't because they weren't with the medium in 1992 or ever at all. But these are the people the good press is targeting not the fanboys who are pissed because their beloved comics are in the mainstream media now.

It has nothing to do with if Captain America makes a return. It's that he died and there's a story around it right now. Marvel's not doing any showboating they're just writing stories and as far as Brubaker's concerned, they're writing good stories that will for a moment "shake things up" and then come safely back to the status quo so that new readers can adapt. There's nothing wrong with it.

Actually, I felt the issue was fine. I liked the way that Sharon shot him. It wasn't great or anything, but it wasn't bad at all, and a good 'part one' for an arc.

My problem was not the quality of the issue. My problem was that Marvel (and DC) play this big hype game to make everything sound amazing and new and fresh and important - and it just isn't. It's generally the same thing we saw 10 years ago in a different packaging.

Now, it's possible Marvel didn't expect this to happen at all (and maybe the arc has had to be changed to compensate for the sudden interest, who knows?) but I'm annoyed and aggravated by the situation, not with any particular company or person. I'm just annoyed that everyone's doing the same **** all over again. That's all.

The issue itself was fine.

 

[Zombipanda]

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I feel like people think Marvel told Brubaker to ax Steve Rogers. Isn't it possible that the man that half this board would drop to their knees for suggested that he wanted to kill Captain America for storytelling potential?

Think about it. Did Marvel kill off Captain America to get noticed? Or did Marvel kill off Captain America and then get noticed?

Marvel didn't just "get noticed". I highly doubt that the major media outlets just happened to notice Captain America died and went "Wow! That's a great story!" There's no way this story got notice without Marvel pimping it.

And just because people don't read comic books doesn't make the publicity any less bad. Everyone who covered the story made it blatantly clear that Cap would be back, because comic book characters ALWAYS come back. You don't think that's a negative stereotype? If Marvel has the PR skills to get their sensationalist event covered on all the media outlets, then why can't we get, for instance, JMS or Stan Lee for a brief spot on Conan when the new Spider-Man movie is released, or Warren Ellis on one of these C-Span book clubs?

And while I love Brubaker, I'm still not convinced how powerful of a story this is. Captain America's already "died" at least ten times, half of these in the last fifteen years. We already know that Cap symbolizes America, and he's important to the superhero community. How poignant is it going to be to have this shoved down our throats again with Loeb's miniseries and the main CA book?

 

[Ice]

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My problem was not the quality of the issue. My problem was that Marvel (and DC) play this big hype game to make everything sound amazing and new and fresh and important - and it just isn't. It's generally the same thing we saw 10 years ago in a different packaging.

And I say let them. They do it for to gather new readers, because for them, it *will* be fresh and new. Not for long time readers, but for those they want to bring into the comic medium.

 

[Zombipanda]

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And I say let them. They do it for to gather new readers, because for them, it *will* be fresh and new. Not for long time readers, but for those they want to bring into the comic medium.

Because foregoing long-term storytelling in favor of big, cheesy, over-hyped events has definitely worked out for the industry in the past.

And I really don't think the death of Cap is going to have any significant increase on comic sales.

 

[TwilightEL]

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Because foregoing long-term storytelling in favor of big, cheesy, over-hyped events has definitely worked out for the industry in the past.

And I really don't think the death of Cap is going to have any significant increase on comic sales.

Well, they'll sell Civil War: The Confession and Civil War: Fallen Son and a metric crapload of Captain America #25. I'm sure that'll tide them over through the handful of people who actually made good on their threats to drop mainstream Marvel.

But it's true. This will just hurt them in the long run, unless they immediately follow up the big media-whore events with a good long run of consistently absolutely breathtakingly awesome stories.

 

[Void.M]

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Because foregoing long-term storytelling in favor of big, cheesy, over-hyped events has definitely worked out for the industry in the past.

And I really don't think the death of Cap is going to have any significant increase on comic sales.

Well im not so sure about that since the day 25 came out the comicshop was packed.

 

[Ice]

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Well im not so sure about that since the day 25 came out the comicshop was packed.

That, and the issue is selling out fast, has already 2 different variants, and is being given out at Wizard World Philly for V.I.P. packages.

 

[Bass]

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And I say let them. They do it for to gather new readers, because for them, it *will* be fresh and new. Not for long time readers, but for those they want to bring into the comic medium.

Good point.

I still hate it though because it's pretty much just a lie. But then, I hate advertising and that's a whole different discussion.