Captain America Vol. 5 by Ed Brubaker discussion (SPOILERS!)

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CAPTAIN AMERICA'S SHIELD: STOLEN!​

Newsarama:

From Marvel

Details are sketchy at this time, but a S.H.I.E.L.D. spokesperson has revealed that Captain America's shield has gone missing.

It's unclear who has taken the shield as no photographic evidence exists, but S.H.I.E.L.D. has issued an artistic rendering of the accused along with this statement. "S.H.I.E.L.D. is following several leads and we are working with the cooperation of New York City authorities to resolve this matter." Un-named sources have spotted several S.H.I.E.L.D agents in and around television studios owned by Comedy Central.

One of the biggest questions is "Why?" Few have shown the strength, let alone have had the training, to properly wield the shield, so its use as a weapon seems negligible. If it was stolen to act as a trophy, then it must be taken back and placed in a museum proper. Whatever the reason, whosoever has the shield now will have much to answer for, particularly in these tumultuous times.

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Read the link to read more, and watch Colbert tonight for more on this.
 
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I liked the (first) Colbert report (not seen the second). Pretty funny! :D
 
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Jesus, I dig the Colbert Report....

but Marvel is such a bunch of media whores.
 
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Ice said:
Good. It's not like they do this with everything, or every day.
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Well, except for the fact that they're mutating into a wanna-be film company who just puts out comic books as cross-platform promotion.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Well, except for the fact that they're mutating into a wanna-be film company who just puts out comic books as cross-platform promotion.
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Not to de-rail this thread further, but I say let them promote comics like "Wanna-be film companies". I know it's not so good with the whole spoiling people (that's why I think they should do the media thing the day AFTER), but it does help others get into the comic world. And with "media icons" like Captain America, besides being a big name, it helps. People quickly recognize and more then few want to know more. If they were over doing this (which they are not) it'd be a different story.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Jesus, I dig the Colbert Report....

but Marvel is such a bunch of media whores.
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:roll: Because publicity for things that aren't that "kewl" in the real world is such a bad thing. I don't care if Captain America is dead for a week. The fact that it had the little press that it got definitely made an impact. My cousins and father all called me wondering what happened. People weaker than them are gonna check out the comics themselves and possibly get hooked. So yeah, it helped and "media whoring" is good.
 
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TheManWithoutFear said:
:roll: Because publicity for things that aren't that "kewl" in the real world is such a bad thing. I don't care if Captain America is dead for a week. The fact that it had the little press that it got definitely made an impact. My cousins and father all called me wondering what happened. People weaker than them are gonna check out the comics themselves and possibly get hooked. So yeah, it helped and "media whoring" is good.
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amen to that


and the money aint half bad
 
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TheManWithoutFear said:
:roll: Because publicity for things that aren't that "kewl" in the real world is such a bad thing. I don't care if Captain America is dead for a week. The fact that it had the little press that it got definitely made an impact. My cousins and father all called me wondering what happened. People weaker than them are gonna check out the comics themselves and possibly get hooked. So yeah, it helped and "media whoring" is good.
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Is this sort of attention really all that good? You can see Joey Q practically slobbering like a dog, begging for table scraps from the mainstream media. You can see the geekiness seeping out of his pours like hot dog flavored sweat.

Because, despite what people might tell you, there is something as bad publicity. It's bad publicity when the only media attention that comic books get are flash-bang "Look what we did!" comments that linger in the public subconscious for a day and a half and then disappear. Because it's publicity events like this that leave the public saying "Gee. Captain America died. I wonder how long it will take to bring him back" and "Huh. So these comic geeks are pretty excited about their imaginary character getting killed, aren't they?". And it's publicity like this which leads to false speculator booms and 100-variant covers and packaged trading cards that will inevitably lead to a crash.

All hype like this does is emphasize all the wrong stereotypes about comics: That they're geeky superhero books with gimmicky cliffhangers and no sense of long-term dramatic effect. There's better ways to draw in new readers.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Is this sort of attention really all that good? You can see Joey Q practically slobbering like a dog, begging for table scraps from the mainstream media. You can see the geekiness seeping out of his pours like hot dog flavored sweat.

Because, despite what people might tell you, there is something as bad publicity. It's bad publicity when the only media attention that comic books get are flash-bang "Look what we did!" comments that linger in the public subconscious for a day and a half and then disappear. Because it's publicity events like this that leave the public saying "Gee. Captain America died. I wonder how long it will take to bring him back" and "Huh. So these comic geeks are pretty excited about their imaginary character getting killed, aren't they?". And it's publicity like this which leads to false speculator booms and 100-variant covers and packaged trading cards that will inevitably lead to a crash.

All hype like this does is emphasize all the wrong stereotypes about comics: That they're geeky superhero books with gimmicky cliffhangers and no sense of long-term dramatic effect. There's better ways to draw in new readers.
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yup.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Is this sort of attention really all that good? You can see Joey Q practically slobbering like a dog, begging for table scraps from the mainstream media. You can see the geekiness seeping out of his pours like hot dog flavored sweat.

Because, despite what people might tell you, there is something as bad publicity. It's bad publicity when the only media attention that comic books get are flash-bang "Look what we did!" comments that linger in the public subconscious for a day and a half and then disappear. Because it's publicity events like this that leave the public saying "Gee. Captain America died. I wonder how long it will take to bring him back" and "Huh. So these comic geeks are pretty excited about their imaginary character getting killed, aren't they?". And it's publicity like this which leads to false speculator booms and 100-variant covers and packaged trading cards that will inevitably lead to a crash.

All hype like this does is emphasize all the wrong stereotypes about comics: That they're geeky superhero books with gimmicky cliffhangers and no sense of long-term dramatic effect. There's better ways to draw in new readers.
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I agree.

In fact, most of the reports I read admitted that comic characters never stay dead.

See: http://www.milehighcomics.com/tales/cbg127.html

...as well as the "Next" article. Chuck Rozanski is a little "eccentric" but the man knows what he's talking about.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Is this sort of attention really all that good? You can see Joey Q practically slobbering like a dog, begging for table scraps from the mainstream media. You can see the geekiness seeping out of his pours like hot dog flavored sweat.

Because, despite what people might tell you, there is something as bad publicity. It's bad publicity when the only media attention that comic books get are flash-bang "Look what we did!" comments that linger in the public subconscious for a day and a half and then disappear. Because it's publicity events like this that leave the public saying "Gee. Captain America died. I wonder how long it will take to bring him back" and "Huh. So these comic geeks are pretty excited about their imaginary character getting killed, aren't they?". And it's publicity like this which leads to false speculator booms and 100-variant covers and packaged trading cards that will inevitably lead to a crash.

All hype like this does is emphasize all the wrong stereotypes about comics: That they're geeky superhero books with gimmicky cliffhangers and no sense of long-term dramatic effect. There's better ways to draw in new readers.
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Wrong stereotypes? Do you think I'm not aware of the wrong stereotypes?
I'm a completely different animal than my friends are. They don't know the specific stereotypes. All they know is comics = geeks. They don't know that every character comes back. They don't even care that Captain America died. All they know is something in the business was worth giving some press too. So like I said it's possible people with "lower standards" and are willing to let themselves cross into some sort of fanboy territory may check out what's happening.

You people are totally looking at it from the wrong perspective, the inside perspective. People don't know that "marvel is a media whore" people don't know the difference between Marvel, DC, and/or Image. Complain all you want but know one who doesn't read comics knows enough details to make these accusations.
 
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I can't take this.

It's 1992 again. Seriously, when Marvel or DC says they're doing something 'new' or 'exciting' do they honestly believe that everyone reading comics today wasn't around ten years ago?

Because I was and that was when I stopped buying comics.
 
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Hey whats this whol thing with Colbert with cap shield?
 
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Bass said:
I can't take this.

It's 1992 again. Seriously, when Marvel or DC says they're doing something 'new' or 'exciting' do they honestly believe that everyone reading comics today wasn't around ten years ago?

Because I was and that was when I stopped buying comics.
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I wasn't. I was brought into comics by Ultimate Spider-Man.

But I actually like comics. I give a **** about them. When I hear someone I like wrote something, I investigate and buy it. I learn about major events in characters' pasts and enjoy it when they're referenced. I read about past industry events and trends and styles. I love authors who are continuity geeks. I'm a teenager in high school and I want the Spider-marriage to stay.

I know history repeating itself when I see it. Why? Because I'm serious about comics and I want them to be good so I can buy and enjoy more of them.
 
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Bass said:
I can't take this.

It's 1992 again. Seriously, when Marvel or DC says they're doing something 'new' or 'exciting' do they honestly believe that everyone reading comics today wasn't around ten years ago?

Because I was and that was when I stopped buying comics.
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You maybe, but not every person in the world.

I'm with MWF on this.
 
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Bass said:
I can't take this.

It's 1992 again. Seriously, when Marvel or DC says they're doing something 'new' or 'exciting' do they honestly believe that everyone reading comics today wasn't around ten years ago?

Because I was and that was when I stopped buying comics.
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That's exactly what I'm talkiing about. There's people who can make that comparison and people who can't because they weren't with the medium in 1992 or ever at all. But these are the people the good press is targeting not the fanboys who are pissed because their beloved comics are in the mainstream media now.

It has nothing to do with if Captain America makes a return. It's that he died and there's a story around it right now. Marvel's not doing any showboating they're just writing stories and as far as Brubaker's concerned, they're writing good stories that will for a moment "shake things up" and then come safely back to the status quo so that new readers can adapt. There's nothing wrong with it.
 
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really, i'm not pissed that my beloved comics are in the mainstream. in fact, I wish they were. I'm mad because killing one of the greatest characters for marketing instead of great stroytelling is complete bs. The issue wasn't even great. it was good, but not great. It's complete crap that marvel has to do things like this to sell more comics. I wouldn't even mind his death if he went out like a true hero. He was killed so non chalant that it makes me nautious. How does a b rate hero like ted cord get to go out in style but not captain america? There is a way to make a good story and still get the media press and i think marvel didn't try hard enough. Like always, they settle.
 
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