All-Star Superman Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Another 3/5 issue of All-star Superman.

Cool key.

Silly memorabelia (the mirror of truth? Give me a break.)

"Oh, you tried to kill me? Never mind, let's carry on with the guided tour of the fortress."

UltimateE said:
I also liked the explanation that he wasn't just 3 times stronger, but 3 times more curious, 3 times more honest, etc.
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Oh yeah, that makes tons of sense...

IN A DISNEY MOVIE

You've got to be kidding me, three times more honest? Is that why he decided to tell Lois that he's Clark? Will this mean that he will answer the dreaded question "Do I look fat in this?"

Does he also need to pee three times as often and shave three times a day...?

Stupid is just the beginning, let's hope the next issue won't expand on this dumbed down kryptonian anatomy lesson.

It's worth 2/5, but since it's Superman, my childhood hero, it gets bumped up to three.

Let's hope for the next issue of All-star Superman won't be about Perry giving Lois a poisoned apple, making her sleep for a hundred years. And the death of that sun-eater can't come too soon.
 
I like this series. I've always been a fan of Pre-Crisis Supes and this is really what it feels like. It's just an old fashioned story where if you don't think, it's awesome. This Superman literally is Superman, with all of the things he does in the Fortress. I like how Morrison has returned the Fortress to its status of being Superman's laboratory. In Post-Crisis, you almost never hear about the lab part - it's usually just described as his hideaway. In Pre-Crisis, it was really just one big lab, and I like that he's brought that back.
 
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Korinthian said:
Another 3/5 issue of All-star Superman.

Cool key.

Silly memorabelia (the mirror of truth? Give me a break.)

"Oh, you tried to kill me? Never mind, let's carry on with the guided tour of the fortress."
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See, Superman just wouldn't do that. In his mind:
A. It wasn't her fault (chemicals were leaking out of the lab and causing her to be extra paranoid).
B. He wasn't actually hurt.
C. He's going to die and he wants to be as happy as possible with the woman he loves.
Oh yeah, that makes tons of sense...

IN A DISNEY MOVIE

You've got to be kidding me, three times more honest? Is that why he decided to tell Lois that he's Clark? Will this mean that he will answer the dreaded question "Do I look fat in this?"

Does he also need to pee three times as often and shave three times a day...?

Stupid is just the beginning, let's hope the next issue won't expand on this dumbed down kryptonian anatomy lesson.

It's worth 2/5, but since it's Superman, my childhood hero, it gets bumped up to three.

Let's hope for the next issue of All-star Superman won't be about Perry giving Lois a poisoned apple, making her sleep for a hundred years. And the death of that sun-eater can't come too soon.
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You're forgetting: this is a comic book. Things are allowed to be unrealistic. Thats one of the things I love about comics. Unlike other mediums, they don't have to give into trends or sacrifice fun for ultra realism. Don't overthink AS Supes, just sit back and enjoy it.
 
moonmaster said:
See, Superman just wouldn't do that.
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It's the lack of reaction that bothered me. Looks like lousy writing is what it does.

moonmaster again said:
You're forgetting: this is a comic book.
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No, I'm not forgetting. How can you not think that "let's just triple everything concerning Superman" is silly? They would've gotten away with it (in my book) if they had a meta-human named "Tripleman", but this feels forced and unnecessary. Triple his strength (heck, even triple his invulnerableness), fine, but leave it at that, no need to "triple his ability to love" etc.

I cannot be the only one reacting to this.
 
Korinthian said:
It's the lack of reaction that bothered me. Looks like lousy writing is what it does.
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I just can't see Superman blowing up at Lois over what she did. He simply took the weapon from her and explained why it didn't work and moved on. Its out of character for Sueperman to dwell on soemthing like that and hold a grudge. Again, he's dying, its her birthday, and he wants nothing more than for her to be happy. Superman is not only a not normal person, hes in a not normal position.
No, I'm not forgetting. How can you not think that "let's just triple everything concerning Superman" is silly? They would've gotten away with it (in my book) if they had a meta-human named "Tripleman", but this feels forced and unnecessary. Triple his strength (heck, even triple his invulnerableness), fine, but leave it at that, no need to "triple his ability to love" etc.

I cannot be the only one reacting to this.
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I actually don't think his honesty was tripled. Lois sarcastically asked him he was telling her the truth because his honesty had tripled too. I think he obviously told her because he was dying. On the other hand, I do think the stuff about his intelligence and curiosity tripling made sense.
 
Exactly. I never thought Superman's honesty had tripled. Lois was just being hurtful because she felt it was time to get some answers.

I also think the sun's exposure making him 3 times smarter/curious, etc makes some sense because his speed and reflexes would be increased 3 fold, no? He has always used his super speed to acquire information, and if his speed was increased, surely his intellect would increase and if he could absorb more information more quickly, it would, perhaps event to himself, appear he's even more curious.

I also don't like the 'don't think too much' comments. Sorry, but a story should appeal to the heart and the mind. All-Star Superman does. It has a bunch of crazy ideas (the time telescope, the baby sun-eater, the dwarf star key, etc) that actually trigger the mind, your thoughts on the curiosity of just what this is. The key was hardly an emotional experience was it? Granted, you get a sense of wonder, but wonder is enjoying the thinking of new thoughts.

Or so I'm told.
 
If he is a living battery, they overloaded him, so his body starts to running faster, chemical reactions are faster too so why cant he be more curious? I think it makes sense due to what happened to him in the sun.
 
I dont have the energy to a rebuttal, but let me just say this to the Korinthean (which, by the way, is spelled wrong)...

YOU ARE WRONG AND YOUR OPINIONS HAVE NOW BEEN INVALIDATED.

I have such power because I say I do, and anyone who says otherwise will be treated the same.

Yup... that about sums it up.
 
I forget only positive reactions to this comic is allowed *grin*.

I love the way you guys rationalize, though.

Keep it up.
 
Your argument of the plot hole doesn't make much sense. Yes the concept of super-curiosity (or what have you) is far-fetched, but appropriate for the title. It feels right. If you don't agree, that's fair enough. Your opinion is valid and welcome in this thread. But so is ours. We don't need to rationalise something we've already "got". Those were specifically for you in an attempt to have you enjoy the series as much as we are. If you still don't agree, that's fine.

But perhaps now would be the time to drop the condescending attitude.
 
Perhaps I have outgrown Superman if this is the norm (I don't read his other titles). But by the way everyone gives it 5/5 and love every second of it, I suspect its generally considered better than the rest of them. I will give it one more issue to get back on track, perhaps something else will triple(!).

Hopefully they'll change the artist while they're at it.
 
I agree with Bass in saying that the 'super-curiosity' feels right for the title. That's what I've liked about the first two issues. Maybe some of the ideas are far-fetched, but they fit the series well.
 
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Bass said:
I also don't like the 'don't think too much' comments. Sorry, but a story should appeal to the heart and the mind. All-Star Superman does. It has a bunch of crazy ideas (the time telescope, the baby sun-eater, the dwarf star key, etc) that actually trigger the mind, your thoughts on the curiosity of just what this is. The key was hardly an emotional experience was it? Granted, you get a sense of wonder, but wonder is enjoying the thinking of new thoughts.

Or so I'm told.
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I wasn't saying that it shouldn't make you think, I was just saying that its refreshing to read a comic that doesn't try to forcefeed you a controversial political message or a dark and depressing commentary on the state of humanity. AS Supes is meant to be fun, exciting and uplifting. It should be hard not to think happy thoughts after reading an issue of AS Supes.
 
Wasn't it supposed to be "Ultimate" Superman?

Whatever happened to that line of thought?
 
That was a fan misconception.

The All-Star line is supposed to be timeless stories, unaffected by current comic book continuity. All of these stories could very well be Canon... Superman moreso than Batman, but then again, Thats the DC Millerverse, which is its own thing entirely.

It's a brilliant concept in wake of Infinite Crisis, for readers who may be intimidated by the interwoven aspects of the mainstream DCU.

I'm interested to hear why you don't like Quitely's art... I'm not usually a fan of his either, but he actually managed to make Lois look like a woman, and not a horrible half persian cat half human hybrid, like his woman tend to look like in some of his other stories...

Maybe you're right, and this is all just comparison based oppinions... but the thing is that this is what Superman is supposed to be. He's supposed to be above and beyond the normal human being, and since he grew up on a farm, he's also got this geeky quality to him. He is not supposed to defy logic, but you need a new system of logistics when you think about him. It's not all simply meant to be weird, its supposed to hearken back to an age where Superman was a good guy because he was born that way. Ma and Pa might have helped, but when it comes down to it, his heroism is imprinted deep within his blood.

I'm not sure what Superman you're familiar with... whether it be the depowered Superman of the nineties, or the simply non-powerful Superman of the animated series... but this is the Superman that was created in the Thirties. This is the Superman who has captured the hearts and minds of America for three generations...

And Frankly, the only Superman stories I can think of that out-do Quitely and Morrison's take are "Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow?" and "For The Man Who Has Everything". Both written by the all-powerful Alan Moore.

You are entitled to your own oppinion, but frankly, If you dont read the superman comics these days, and if you're completely unaware of the Superman who has inspired years of the best comic stories ever written... then you're not looking for Superman.

At least not OUR Superman.

So yeah... Heh, a little bit better of an argument than "You're Wrong", no?
 
I think all these things such as SUPER CURIOSITY and SUPER HONESTY, fit the tone of the book, its just that me and korinthian and im sure others find that tone slightly silly to us, just not our kind of book, im giving it till issue 3 and then im dropping it if i still cant get into it.
 
Well, okay, I have read some Superman comics, although I have no idea how recent they are, and how they compare with the main series.

I've read:
Birthright, Kingdom Come, and Secret Identity, (and Red Son :-b), all which I liked. These are the ones I compare All-star Superman to.

The art is fine, but I do not like the way it portrays Superman -- at all.
 
That's because you're comparing him to the wrong Superman...

I loved all of those (albeit, I've never read Secret Identity), but they all portray the contemporary Superman that was created to connect to the modern teenager... A less perfect, more "realistic" hero who -can- be pushed to hurt and kill, but must make the decision not to. It really is a good message, and its definitely one that people should hear...

I like that superman too, but it really isn't the same Superman.

I would like to point out that you all created the term "Super-Honesty" and what not... The Sun enhanced every aspect of his brain, every aspect of his being, and so it makes sense that if his brain capacity tripled, he would come to the same conclusion that he had already come to, just with trice the conviction...

Its not that he's unable to lie, you see him lie to Lois over and over again about why he brought her there. He just doesn't see a good reason to be a liar, and the only pauses in his conviction come when he lies to Lois. He's reasoning at SuperSpeed every single reaction she could possibly have, and at the end of it all, he decides to Lie. When your brain works that quickly, you -can't- act impulsively. Everything he does or says is a decision he has made directly. The pain of lying to Lois has always hurt him, and he knew he wouldnt be able to keep both that Clark and Kal-El were the same and that he was dying a secret.

His Honesty isn't just an intangible quality that grew in strength. It was a measurable increase of all of his talents, one of which was a super-fast, super-human intellect. That affects how he can Love, how he can trust, how he can be honest. He -cannot- make mistakes from thoughtless love, and therefore knows that he is in love with Lois just as much as he knows he needs to feed the Sun-Eater every now and then. It's not an idea, it's a fact, he's thought it down to a point, and it affects everything he says and does.

Keep that in mind and re-read the issue. Every word he says, including the cheesy line about the Triple Honesty and Love, reflects how he feels about her. He's trying to show her that she should feel safe, because he loves her, and that he KNOWS that as a FACT. She doesnt trust him because she knows he's keeping something from her, just like she has always known that...

Every detail of Morrison's world has been thought through the ten-fold. It's fantastic writing, and I still don't see your argument other than "It's not like every other Superman story i've read"... This is supposed to be new... A new approach to old ideas. It's not supposed to be the same old thing.

But if you don't like it, drop it. You're clearly in the minority, and you seem to be determined to remind us that you disagree, without really throwing out any real argument other than unfamiliarity...

Go out and read some really deep, fantastic superhero stories, and come back and read this, and I almost gaurentee you'll see it in a different light.
 
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