Ultimates 3 #1-5 discussion [Loeb/Madureira] [spoilers]

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"Y'know....You're kinda hotter -- if that's possible -- when you're angry..."

TEE HEE!

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God I hate this book.
 
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I was really surprised to see Hawkeye just start shooting.....again. From what I understand it MAY be because his wife and kids were killed. But I am not sure. Loebs writing is so subtle.
 
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preview of #3 located here

http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12970

it is quite possibly the worst thing ever written

Warning you cannot un-read this

Yep. That did it. Those 5 pages were actually worse than issues 1 or 2. Wow. I didn't think it could be done. I have never been so horrified at a comic book due to the mishandling of the writing to such a degree. This comic seems like its being written by a retarded Brian Pulido.

Ugghhhh. I want to punch Loeb in the face. AAAAAARrrrrrgghhhhh! Loeb makes DIrishB VERY ANGRY!!!

Raiden taught him

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I was really surprised to see Hawkeye just start shooting.....again. From what I understand it MAY be because his wife and kids were killed. But I am not sure. Loebs writing is so subtle.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Okay, did anyone else look at the timing on the issue?

The first box, where it said, Last night.....

I thought, at least according to the time box on the previous issue, it happened 2 seconds ago.

What the hell is going on?

And E, Cap's eyebrows are so powerful, they bust out of the mask when he makes expressions.
 
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And E, Cap's eyebrows are so powerful, they bust out of the mask when he makes expressions.

See, this is an instance where mask squinting might possibly be acceptable. Only scientific research could determine for sure through.

Sorry guys, I know some of you like Joe Mad, but this stuff is awful.
 
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it's confusingly worded, too. for a second i thought he meant Wanda could've been his daughter.
 
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Why does Loeb hate us so much? Why? What did we do?

This is the worst dialogue I have ever read. Ever. I don't just mean in a comic book either. No, this is worse than the student papers I have to read in class. This is worse than the chicken scratch my little brother used to write when he was 4. This is worse than anything mole has ever written.

ARE THEY ****ING SERIOUS!?! Who let this **** go to print? I dare anybody to read these preview pages and tell me that Jeph Loeb can write or that Joe Quesada doesn't suck at his job. I DARE YOU!!!
 
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preview of #3 located here

http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12970

it is quite possibly the worst thing ever written

Warning you cannot un-read this

I thought there were three bits I actually, properly, liked.

Wolverine's line of, "Didn't you use to have a wife and kids?"
Hawkeye's, "**** you, Janet!", followed by Cap's, "Watch your language" and finally, "**** you, Cap!" - I found that really funny.
I also liked that Cap called Wolverine "James".

*holds onto those good bits so as not to combust*

"Y'know....You're kinda hotter -- if that's possible -- when you're angry..."

TEE HEE!

...

God I hate this book.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Look at the left panel of the spread - are Cap's eyebrows sticking out of his mask?

And it's totally rad how Thor can (presumably) shoot lightning out of his eyes.

Maybe Cap painted the eyebrows on his mask, Adam "Batman" West style?

And Thor has always been able to shoot lightning out of his eyes.

And he always wore a skirt.

And went around topless, banging teenagers.

...

ripthorjh0.jpg


I think I'm a horrible person. I laughed at the "Didn't you used to have a wife and kids" line.

It was good!

I was really surprised to see Hawkeye just start shooting.....again. From what I understand it MAY be because his wife and kids were killed. But I am not sure. Loebs writing is so subtle.

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Okay, did anyone else look at the timing on the issue?

The first box, where it said, Last night.....

I thought, at least according to the time box on the previous issue, it happened 2 seconds ago.

What the hell is going on?

I think that's one of the many "mysteries". Like... why Wolverine, who's shown up to help, has his claws unsheathed, ready for a fight. That doesn't make sense.

That would be like just pulling guns on someone and shooting them for no reason. (Looks at Hawkeye in U3 #2.)

Oh. Well, at least they're consistently rubbish.

it's confusingly worded, too. for a second i thought he meant Wanda could've been his daughter.

That's what I thought he meant.

Also - why is Wolverine (WOLVERINE!!!) Mister Exposition? And why is his exposition something THEY'VE ALL JUST BEEN A PART OF?

In fact - nothing Wolverine says about the plot makes sense.

First, he chastises them for not asking why Magneto showed up.

When were they supposed to? In the two seconds SINCE the fight and Wolverine showing up? They've not had a chance to. And you know what? It's pretty ****ing obvious Pietro was involved because that's HOW THE BROTHERHOOD GOT AWAY. In fact, it's simple as hell. Wanda dies. Magneto, with his band of terrorists, show up, take his children, and leave.

What's left to get?! Why does Wolverine need to explain it to them? WHO DOESN'T GET THE PLOT SO FAR?

Here's a recap:

Wanda, for no reason we know of yet, got shot.
Magneto, her father, takes her body and his son, Quicksilver to somewhere else.

That is what the two issues have been so far. Venom and Spidey are completely irrelevant (so far).

Then there's another piece of stupidity.

HOW THE HELL DID WOLVERINE GET THERE SO DAMNED FAST? Did PIETRO call him as well? If not - then how the **** does Wolverine saying, "They got here fast because Pietro called them" make any sense? Surely they got there because... THEY HEARD ABOUT IT AND THEY CAN ****ING FLY OR SOME ****. :arrgh:

This is what I hate most of all: "Mysteries".

It's a trend of crappy writing to have a "mystery". That mystery is that something very simple is going on, but we don't know why: someone is shot, but we don't know the motive or murderer; or, Lots of horrible situations are occurring (explosions, disasters, invasions), and we don't know why. Then, someone ELSE shows up and says, "This is the answer" and we discover that all the writer did was hold back a piece of simple exposition and told it to us at a later date without it being revealed through conflict. Someone just says, "This is what's going on."

Bollocks. I love mysteries. I love being given clues and watching the mystery be masterfully revealed.

I hate it when a writer blindsides his audience with confusing melodrama, then just TELLS you what's going on when he's run out of pages.

This series is like AVENGERS: DISASSEMBLED. Loeb can't write for toffee.
 
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This is what I hate most of all: "Mysteries".

It's a trend of crappy writing to have a "mystery". That mystery is that something very simple is going on, but we don't know why: someone is shot, but we don't know the motive or murderer; or, Lots of horrible situations are occurring (explosions, disasters, invasions), and we don't know why. Then, someone ELSE shows up and says, "This is the answer" and we discover that all the writer did was hold back a piece of simple exposition and told it to us at a later date without it being revealed through conflict. Someone just says, "This is what's going on."

Bollocks. I love mysteries. I love being given clues and watching the mystery be masterfully revealed.

I hate it when a writer blindsides his audience with confusing melodrama, then just TELLS you what's going on when he's run out of pages.

You must looooooooove LOST.
 
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See, this is an instance where mask squinting might possibly be acceptable. Only scientific research could determine for sure through.

Sorry guys, I know some of you like Joe Mad, but this stuff is awful.

I can't believe your biggest gripe with this is Cap's eyebrows. Yes, they're distracting and ridiculous, but did you read any of it? Its absolute balls! The dialogue in those several pages makes the first two issues look good! Oh my God, what is this guy doing writing this crap!

Why does Loeb hate us so much? Why? What did we do?

This is the worst dialogue I have ever read. Ever. I don't just mean in a comic book either. No, this is worse than the student papers I have to read in class. This is worse than the chicken scratch my little brother used to write when he was 4. This is worse than anything mole has ever written.

ARE THEY ****ING SERIOUS!?! Who let this **** go to print? I dare anybody to read these preview pages and tell me that Jeph Loeb can write or that Joe Quesada doesn't suck at his job. I DARE YOU!!!

Exactly.
 
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I can't believe your biggest gripe with this is Cap's eyebrows. Yes, they're distracting and ridiculous, but did you read any of it? Its absolute balls! The dialogue in those several pages makes the first two issues look good! Oh my God, what is this guy doing writing this crap!

Dude. You must have missed all of my many rants on the subject. I've made several comments about the writing. It hasn't changed...it's not like it was good and is getting worse. It is the worst thing I've ever read. It's worse than Ultimate Iron Man, and it's worse than Mighty Avengers.

But I've seen a few comments (and IIRC I've said myself) that at least the art is decent. But it's not decent. It's ****.
 
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You know, I think there's something more cynical about this comic.

Splashes and double-splashes of action pieces sell a LOT as original art.

Part of me thinks the script is written in such a way that Joe Mad gets to have a lot of double-page action splashes to sell on ebay after this is done.

I dunno how true it is... but I can't help but think it might be somewhat true.
 
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You might have a point, Bass. That's a good incentive for getting him back in comics. Plus, without an inker he has no one to split pages with, so they're all his.
 

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