Ultimate Marvel Timeline / Chronology (v. 3.0)

[DIrishB]

Well, I suppose that it just is like that. I think that they should not have to many refernces to other comics that talk about their story, because then they will contradict themselves with all of the other things that they say.

I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing references to the other books if they could just keep their (very) simple continuity worked out. But they can't, so I'd prefer they not make any references to each other they don't absolutely have to.

BTW, one thing I have been wondering is how you place some of the things in the story. Like, how do you know that the Clone Saga in USM comes after the God War saga in UFF? Do you just place them where there is a gap between sagas?

Sometimes. Other times just based on release. The most obvious piece of evidence and first used for placement is obvious factors within the story itself. A second is a statement or notation made by the writer themself on when a certain story or arc takes place (ie, Millar finally clarifying when the UFF got their powers in relation to the rest of the Ultimate heroes on his message board before ever cementing it in the comic--UFF #21). Another is often when the stories were released in relation to each other. If I have no other evidence to go on from the story itself, the writer, etc, I usually just place them (formed by arc) in order of release/completion. This also helps prevent the timeline from focusing on any one book any longer than necessary or as dictated by the chronology of events.

 

[Neriek]

When does he confirm it then? I cannot see where in issue #21 where it mentions somethign about it, but I will have probably missed it since I skimmed.

Wow, after looking at the methods you use, you are pretty good at this.

Kind of off Topic, but is the 616 timeline simpler than this (not that I would have expected someone to make one as detailed as this one)?

 

[Joe Kalicki]

When does he confirm it then? I cannot see where in issue #21 where it mentions somethign about it, but I will have probably missed it since I skimmed.

Wow, after looking at the methods you use, you are pretty good at this.

Kind of off Topic, but is the 616 timeline simpler than this (not that I would have expected someone to make one as detailed as this one)?

A 616 timeline of this sort would be virtually impossible. While a Silver Age one would be incredibly easy, starting in the 70's and especially through the 90's and today it's not really feasible. Spider-Man alone would be enough to drive someone crazy.

And if you want to throw in the Golden Age stuff it would be even harder.

The only reason this timeline is possible is because the Ultimate Universe is still small and young.

 

[Marvel_Boy]

Drat, I completely forgot about the N-Zone arc! Sorry dudes.

 

[DIrishB]

When does he confirm it then? I cannot see where in issue #21 where it mentions somethign about it, but I will have probably missed it since I skimmed.

Just after they come back to the present (from time traveling after the terrorists) and are leaving the Baxter Building. Either Reed himself or a reporter makes mention they've had their powers for a year or a year and a half.

And then, in the President Thor arc, its firmly established that the teleportation accident that gave them their powers happened two years previously.

Wow, after looking at the methods you use, you are pretty good at this.

Much appreciated.

Kind of off Topic, but is the 616 timeline simpler than this (not that I would have expected someone to make one as detailed as this one)?

I've never really looked into it too much, as I've never gotten into 616, but that timeline is HUGE (its got 60 years of stories to include). And I know there are a lot more continuity mistakes in 616 versus the Ultimate books, mainly because there are WAY more titles.

A 616 timeline of this sort would be virtually impossible. While a Silver Age one would be incredibly easy, starting in the 70's and especially through the 90's and today it's not really feasible. Spider-Man alone would be enough to drive someone crazy.

And if you want to throw in the Golden Age stuff it would be even harder.

The only reason this timeline is possible is because the Ultimate Universe is still small and young.

Exactly.

 

[Neriek]

I was thinking about where you placed the pages where the Fantastic Four travel to the past, and I do not really think that it makes sence to place them seperate from the main timeline. I mean, seperate from where they take place in the comics.

You said that you wanted to create the timeline so that it makes sence if you read it in the order of those pages, and I do not think that that would make sence.

 

[DIrishB]

I was thinking about where you placed the pages where the Fantastic Four travel to the past, and I do not really think that it makes sence to place them seperate from the main timeline. I mean, seperate from where they take place in the comics.

You said that you wanted to create the timeline so that it makes sence if you read it in the order of those pages, and I do not think that that would make sence.

I guess it doesn't make sense if you read only that part, but if you read the entire Ultimate series in this order, it would (assuming you remember that they traveled back in time to that point by the time it catches up).

Either way, it takes place in the ancient past, so it must be placed there. Its a timeline, and stuff must be placed in the order it occurs, time travel or not.

 

[Ninja4peace]

I don't think this it here as read order, that's for the tpb chronology, i think this is more what actually happened in what order and if you read it ALL in the this order and you manage to get through to president thor the earlier bits will make sense. This is what happened, how it happened. The tpb chronolgy is how you read/understand how it happened...the rest of the forum is for why it happened, what exactly happened, what's gonna happen next sorta thing.

 

[thee great one]

I don't think this it here as read order, that's for the tpb chronology, i think this is more what actually happened in what order and if you read it ALL in the this order and you manage to get through to president thor the earlier bits will make sense. This is what happened, how it happened. The tpb chronolgy is how you read/understand how it happened...the rest of the forum is for why it happened, what exactly happened, what's gonna happen next sorta thing.

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yeabutwhat?

 

[DIrishB]

I don't think this it here as read order, that's for the tpb chronology, i think this is more what actually happened in what order and if you read it ALL in the this order and you manage to get through to president thor the earlier bits will make sense. This is what happened, how it happened. The tpb chronolgy is how you read/understand how it happened...the rest of the forum is for why it happened, what exactly happened, what's gonna happen next sorta thing.

Well...yeah, I guess. But this actually is a read-through ordering. Its just a pain in the *** to do because it involves switching back and forth between books and a lot of page counting.

Either way, its a chronology. Its pretty self-explanatory in that respect.

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yeabutwhat?

I was wondering too, but I think I know what he means...I think...? :?

 

[Ninja4peace]

sorry i was a bit wasted...just meant thought you can read it in this order, it might be more sensible to read in tpb order so you don't have to remember things right from the start, and if you haven't read all the arcs before you might come across spoilers. the authors want you to read comics in the order 1,2,3 cuz that's how they are designed to be read, rather than the 2-5 pages then 8 then 1 etc. even if that's how they happen chronoloically. but don't get me wrong this list is the reason i found and joined this site and it rules

 

[polscots]

This list helps my brain stay at peace

ty

 

[DIrishB]

sorry i was a bit wasted...just meant thought you can read it in this order, it might be more sensible to read in tpb order so you don't have to remember things right from the start, and if you haven't read all the arcs before you might come across spoilers. the authors want you to read comics in the order 1,2,3 cuz that's how they are designed to be read, rather than the 2-5 pages then 8 then 1 etc. even if that's how they happen chronoloically. but don't get me wrong this list is the reason i found and joined this site and it rules

Um...ok. Cool.

This list helps my brain stay at peace

ty

It does just the opposite for mine (though only when trying to make sense of it).

 

[DIrishB]

Updated for UFF #38.

 

[Neriek]

Hi. I just noticed that you have moved the Ultimate Power things. So, do you agree that they time travel, or is it because of what happens in the latest issue of Ultimate Spider-man what made you change your mind? (I have yet to read it).

 

[DIrishB]

Hi. I just noticed that you have moved the Ultimate Power things. So, do you agree that they time travel, or is it because of what happens in the latest issue of Ultimate Spider-man what made you change your mind? (I have yet to read it).

Both. Its the only way it works. But with the most recent issue (USM #105), the timeline is again thrown into whack. With Peter and Kitty swinging around the city together and obviously still dating in Ultimate Power, and Kitty and Peter's obvious break-up in USM #105 (he gets back with MJ), Ultimate Power must occur sometime before that. It also must occur after Ultimates 2 (supposedly), since Ant-Man appears as part of the team (though whether its Hank Pym or not and whether he's on full-time or not could also explain the appearance). Hopefully it can be explained at least a little in the remaining Ultimate Power issues.

I'm updating the timeline now, to try and make some sense of it all. I'll post when its done.

 

[DIrishB]

Updated for Ultimate Spider-Man #105 and Squadron Supreme - Hyperion vs. Nighthawk #2.

Well, thats as good as I could get it. I'll look at it some more tomorrow and later this week, see if I can't arrange it to make more sense any other way. I'm honestly flabbergasted. As it stands now, we have to have at least another one or two pretty major continuity hiccups from the whole Ultimate Power/Clone Saga/Cable/Ultimates 2 events crossing over in some ways (and in all honesty, it seems almost all the blame lies on Bendis). Future issues of any of the titles could in some way clear up the current confusion, so lets hope for that.

And as always, let me know if you can think of a way that might make more sense.

 

[Ninja4peace]

Good job with the hyperion vs nighthawk.... the chronology of this mini is gonna be all over the shot, you've done well to sort it. I get the feeling the next two will be going back again to

Spoiler

find out exactly what nighthawk took from the lab and finish that fight started in issue 1, and why exactly nh is sporting a different mask

As for ults 2/ultimate power/clone saga/cable

clone saga comes after ult power since kitty and peter seem to be together
and cable comes after clone saga since prof x is looking all smug in the epilogue...as for puting them both before ults 2....did you do that just cuz fury loses an arm, cuz i'm sure that'll get mended as soon as, carol danvers style or whatever.

I'm thinking because ant man is in the ultimates in ult power that at least has to come after ultimates 2 if not later with the amount of rejection pym is getting before defenders, i can't believe he'd join until after the grand theft america thing.

So i think preliminarily ults 2 should come first...but we'll know more when more ultimates come out.

 

[Ninja4peace]

Sorry i just realised you posted nearly the exact same thing at the top of the page

 

[DIrishB]

Good job with the hyperion vs nighthawk.... the chronology of this mini is gonna be all over the shot, you've done well to sort it. I get the feeling the next two will be going back again to

Spoiler

find out exactly what nighthawk took from the lab and finish that fight started in issue 1, and why exactly nh is sporting a different mask

In terms of what Nighthawk took, I think its already been touched upon. Pretty sure it was the

Spoiler

piece of Hyperion's ship

. I believe this is also whats given him powers.

As for the different mask, I think he didn't want it known it was him for as long as possible, so he switched up the look.

As for ults 2/ultimate power/clone saga/cable

clone saga comes after ult power since kitty and peter seem to be together
and cable comes after clone saga since prof x is looking all smug in the epilogue...as for puting them both before ults 2....did you do that just cuz fury loses an arm, cuz i'm sure that'll get mended as soon as, carol danvers style or whatever.

Not really. Its not his arm that bothers me, its the Triskelion being in total working order, and the fact that in Clone Saga the Ultimates show up in their old costumes. There are a few other factors as well, but my brain is too fried to remember.

I'm thinking because ant man is in the ultimates in ult power that at least has to come after ultimates 2 if not later with the amount of rejection pym is getting before defenders, i can't believe he'd join until after the grand theft america thing.

So i think preliminarily ults 2 should come first...but we'll know more when more ultimates come out.

Thats how I look at it as well, its just we've got conflicting info from different titles. As more issues come out I can hopefully change it to reflect a more stream-lined continuity...but more than likely this won't happen.

Sorry i just realised you posted nearly the exact same thing at the top of the page

No problem. Like I said, I want to keep a discussion about this problem going, as maybe someone else can offer some valuable input. So people, post your ideas!