Ultimate Comics Spider-Man (discussion/spoilers)

I know!! So, if she makes out with Johnny, that makes Peter bisexual!

No, it implies that sexuality can arise from experience as well as birth, which is sort of the conflict at the heart of Spider-Man, yeah? Is he who he is because of his genetics of because of the responsibility instilled in him by his uncle? That's the thing that should have been explored in the Clone Saga but never was.
 
No, it implies that sexuality can arise from experience as well as birth, which is sort of the conflict at the heart of Spider-Man, yeah? Is he who he is because of his genetics of because of the responsibility instilled in him by his uncle? That's the thing that should have been explored in the Clone Saga but never was.

I keep getting myself in trouble here, arnt I?
I just want my spidey x torch fix here. :wink:
 
Ok so I thought Jessica was more like the X-23 version of Peter, but she's really more like a girl 616 Ben Reilly? Is that right?

Really... there's enough? Name... hell, name one in the Ultimate Universe.

Hell, name 5 current couples in both DCU and MU combined.

and I'll even help;

Kate Kane/Renee Montoya (Split up)
Moondragon/Quasar (both dead)
Victoria Hand/Isabelle (Split up)

There's also most of Y: The Last Man, but that's kind of cheating.

Oh snap, Scandal's got a new girl?? I kinda lost track of most DC stuff outside of the BN and Bat-books. I know Scandal was all torn up when Knockout died.

I think they actually met while the new girl was stripping in Knockout cosplay.

:lol: I still wanna see the inevitable scene when Johnny hits on her then finds out she's a clone of Peter!

HAHAHA!! The name of the arc should be "The Crying Game".

:lol:

Heather is alive.

She's back but now impregnated with a Cthulu baby.

Please... tell me you're kidding

It's true. Hopefully Drax just punches her in the stomach soon.
 
No, it implies that sexuality can arise from experience as well as birth, which is sort of the conflict at the heart of Spider-Man, yeah? Is he who he is because of his genetics of because of the responsibility instilled in him by his uncle? That's the thing that should have been explored in the Clone Saga but never was.

I kind of wonder if they'll side-step the whole issue by saying "Peter is a heterosexual guy, Jessica is his clone whose gender was changed to female, so she is also heterosexual."

who knows. Maybe Luke Cage will knock her up.
 
Weirdest Ultimate Spider-Man thread EVER.
 
Yes, let's get back on topic.
 
Ok so I thought Jessica was more like the X-23 version of Peter, but she's really more like a girl 616 Ben Reilly? Is that right?



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Pretty much yeah.

She has all of Pete's memories and his feelings for MJ. So yes, she's Ben Reily with boobs.
 
I get that you guys like the teen angst angle, because undoubtedly that's been the book's strong point from the beginning. But I can't believe you guys don't think it's completely retarded to have Aunt May taking in super heroes like stray dogs. It's totally ridiculous.

Inherently, so is a story about a teenager bit by a genetically engineered spider gaining spider powers, but it didn't stop us before.

And honestly, given the whole Ultimatum thing, it does make sense. May has a soft heart, and the idea of kids who only tried to help the world basically and unfairly being labeled as terrorists after the disaster strikes a nerve with her. Especially given the recent revelation to her of Peter being Spider-Man (coupled with Uncle Ben's life outlook living on in and motivating Peter's quest), May basically taking in super-orphans does make a certain sense. She even explained it as being the one of the only ways she can help the world as she sees it. Its unrealistic in a real world sense, sure, but within the parameters of the story and May's character, it does make sense. Sure, it isn't anywhere close to an Alan Moore level of fleshed out and realistic characterization, but it isn't as illogical or unexpected as you're making it out to be, either.



But more than that - the art is killing any interest I might have in getting into this book. It's terrible. Everyone is emo, Peter's hair is RIDICULOUS, and the anime-esque impressions are poorly done and cliche. Blah.

I completely agree with you here, however.

I think Aunt May taking in Bobby and Johnny seems perfectly understandable. It's a natural step in her character growth.

When Uncle Ben first died, there was obviously a huge hole left in her life. And she had to learn to relate to Peter on a whole new level. Then Gwen came along and circumstances lead to them taking her in. All of a sudden that hole that Ben left was filled a little. She had someone to take care of that was honest and open (as opposed to Peter who was always secretive). Then Gwen died, which brought May and Peter a little closer together (they're relationship had been growing slowly the whole time).

Then the clone saga, Gwen is back, Peter's secret is out, Aunt May freaks out, Gwen turns into carnage, Aunt May has a heart attack (wow, what was Bendis thinking with that one?) but after, Aunt May knows Peter's secret, and while she's terrified for him, she's so proud of him. Then Ultimatum comes and everyone's life turns to crap. Aunt May recognizes this, has been there and has grown as a person to the point that she wants to give of herself to help whomever she can. It makes life difficult, but she sees the heroism in Peter, Johnny, and Bobby and wants to do her part. She doesn't have powers, but she can give them a place to stay and give them some sort of stability and care in their lives.

To me, that's always been the heart of USM. Gwen said it the first time she appeared, what ever you do well, that's your super power. Use it to help people.



And as far as the emo thing, who is more emo than they were? only Kong. Peter has stupidly long hair, that doesn't make him emo. Gwen has always looked pretty much that way. MJ looks more smart/nerdy again. Kitty looks the same, but i guess is acting kind of moody, but then again, she's pretty much always been that way as well (at least since Bobby and Rogue hooked up back in UXM).



I don't understand the complaints, except for maybe the art, which is a personal preference thing.

I love the book.

You said it much better than I. As usual.

I There's no earthly reason why Sue Storm would have May take Johnny in. The FF have tons of resources - a poor old woman in Queens makes no sense.

Actually, its been said already that Johnny didn't feel comfortable at the Baxter Building because of witnessing his father's death there, as well as never feeling like he belonged there (it being a think tank of genius' and him being, well, Johnny). Since Johnny didn't really have any other friends outside of the FF besides Spidey, it makes sense he'd turn to Peter for help.
 
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But more than that - the art is killing any interest I might have in getting into this book. It's terrible. Everyone is emo, Peter's hair is RIDICULOUS, and the anime-esque impressions are poorly done and cliche. Blah.

I have to say that the style has grown on me. And yes, this book is now pretty much Runaways crossed with Spider-Man :heart: Mary Jane. Which might explain why it appeals to me, since i loved both series. :)
 
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But more than that - the art is killing any interest I might have in getting into this book. It's terrible. Everyone is emo, Peter's hair is RIDICULOUS, and the anime-esque impressions are poorly done and cliche. Blah.

I have to say that the style has grown on me. And yes, this book is now pretty much Runaways crossed with Spider-Man :heart: Mary Jane. Which might explain why it appeals to me, since i loved both series. :)

But...I didn't say that...E did! Damn this new site layout and its habit of putting words into my mouth!!! (I do agree, though...I still hate the art).
 
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Do you really think that's the case though? Because I'm not seeing it. He's "back to basics" - that is to say, Peter's personal life - but that's nothing new. It's what made the book good to begin with. The only difference is that more characters who are only tangently related are being shoved into the picture.

Well, Johnny and Peter have the previously established relationship, and I always felt that his portrayal in Ultimate Spidey was much stronger than his portrayal in Ultimate Fantastic Four, so I have no problem whatsoever with him showing up. I mean, sure, he could go off into the world and do his own thing, but in the wake of the trauma in his life, it makes sense for him to seek out his friends and try to build himself a new life.

With Bobby, it is a bit of a stretch, but they are doing a good job playing that up in the series... With Kitty being a part of this series, and the Ultimate X-Men book gone (and turned to unbearable **** before it was gone), it would make sense that the other HS aged character would be drawn to her when kicked out of his own house. But here's the thing, in the hundred plus issues of UXM, there was NEVER really a concerted effort to make Bobby a really strong character. He was introduced early on, but then was shunted aside to focus on the newcomers... So here we finally have a chance to understand who Ultimate Bobby Drake is, and I am 100% for that. It's not a perfectly sensical fit, and it certainly seems like Peter and Bobby might not get along perfectly well, but hey, putting them in this situation is an interesting thing to do. It'll bring out new sides to everyone involved.

It's a weird situation, but its leading to something pretty cool... This group of teen characters is shaping up to be something closer to the Teen Titans than Marvel has really ever had before (even the Young Avengers were more of a "we're the kids of the Avengers", rather than a bunch of kids drawn together). It's exciting, this grouping of heroes really hasn't happened before, and honestly I think it touches on part of why I loved the Ultimate Universe to begin with.

It's something new. Something that hasn't happened before with Spidey. We've never seen how teenage peter reacts to living with a bunch of teen superheroes... It'll bring a completely new dynamic for the book, and probably points to the first time since the very beginning that Bendis can claim to be taking things in a totally new direction.

I can understand not liking the art, but having grown up on anime and the sort, it doesn't bother me even a little.

I can almost guarantee, it's Gwen, MJ or Kitty.

You know what I bet happens? I bet Johnny goes for Jessica hardcore without knowing the full story about it being Peter's mind behind the lady body. That is totally what is going to happen.

And I bet Jessica tries to get close to MJ in the wake of the MJ/Peter break-up and makes a move on her, ultimately helping Peter realize that HE is still very much in love with MJ. I just hope they have some long chats. How often does a person get a chance to figure **** out by having a full-on reasonable conversation with him/herself?

Also: if Jessica Drew sticks around, I bet it turns out that Jessica Jones is gay and they get together.
 
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You know what I bet happens? I bet Johnny goes for Jessica hardcore without knowing the full story about it being Peter's mind behind the lady body. That is totally what is going to happen.

And I bet Jessica tries to get close to MJ in the wake of the MJ/Peter break-up and makes a move on her, ultimately helping Peter realize that HE is still very much in love with MJ. I just hope they have some long chats. How often does a person get a chance to figure **** out by having a full-on reasonable conversation with him/herself?

Also: if Jessica Drew sticks around, I bet it turns out that Jessica Jones is gay and they get together.

that's the most makesensical thing I've heard on this subject.

Yeah, i just invented a word. makesensical, it's the opposite of nonsensical.
 
Re: Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2 (Discussion/Spoilers)

I just read up through #6 and I really hate what this book has become.

I hate the cutesiness, I hate the wacky home life subplots, and I loathe the art. It's not adorable and it's not cute. It's awful.

Bendis is still in top form, of course. Mysterio and Spider-Man are battling on the bridge and out of nowhere Mysterio shouts out "You just don't get it do you?" Get what? What an idiotic line. There is nothing to get. There's nothing to explain.

This entire thing is idiotic and this is the worst this book has been. I hate how he's forced characters into the book by having Iceman and Human Torch live with him. It's forced and stupid and makes no sense.

you took the words right out of my mouth.

if the art was better i might have been able to stomach the crappy storyline of spiderman and his craptastic friends. but theres NOTHING to distract you but HOPE that it gets better......

and don't ever trick me into thinking that you brought my main black man, the pill junkie runaway Cloak with his fantastic little white girl Dagger into the mix.....only to have it be kitty.......ass hole
 
Re: Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2 (Discussion/Spoilers)

you took the words right out of my mouth.

if the art was better i might have been able to stomach the crappy storyline of spiderman and his craptastic friends. but theres NOTHING to distract you but HOPE that it gets better......

and don't ever trick me into thinking that you brought my main black man, the pill junkie runaway Cloak with his fantastic little white girl Dagger into the mix.....only to have it be kitty.......ass hole

Ok one, harsh. this book isn't that bad.

Two, what happened to the sware filter. Quick E fix this before Ssmole finds out or we'll have a Sware-a-ploza on our hands.
 
Re: Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2 (Discussion/Spoilers)

you took the words right out of my mouth.

if the art was better i might have been able to stomach the crappy storyline of spiderman and his craptastic friends. but theres NOTHING to distract you but HOPE that it gets better......

and don't ever trick me into thinking that you brought my main black man, the pill junkie runaway Cloak with his fantastic little white girl Dagger into the mix.....only to have it be kitty.......ass hole

That's not Cloak, that's Shroud. Cloak and Dagger already appeared. As mad people being dragged away at the police station.
 
Re: Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2 (Discussion/Spoilers)

That's not Cloak, that's Shroud. Cloak and Dagger already appeared. As mad people being dragged away at the police station.

i didn't say it was Cloak......i said tricking ME into thinking it COULD be cloak....or hoping

who takes the people at the police station seriously?
 
What's the next arc supposed to be about? Will Mysterio be in it or is it about something else?
 
Y'know, I really hope that Jessica (Drew) doesn't turn out to be a lesbian. I think that would feel really...tacky.
 

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