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Ultimate Comics Spider-Man (discussion/spoilers)
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robje
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We have barred the gates but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes, drums... drums in the deep. We cannot get out. A shadow lurks in the dark. We can not get out... they are coming.
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Dr.Strangefate
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Honestly, it doesn't even remotely make sense for her not to be. Her being attracted to men would mean that Peter is attracted to men, and I have a feeling they'd rather not go down that route.
McCheese
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Exactly.
robje
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If one person from a pair of identical twins - who were both previously straight - said they were gay, does it make the other one gay? Because that's kind of how I'm seeing this now. They were only the same person up to a point, and now if one has sudden realizations about him/herself or makes a decision like that, it dosn't mean anything about the other one.
Of course, I may be misreading this entire conversation as being serious.
Of course, I may be misreading this entire conversation as being serious.
Dr.Strangefate
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But it isn't that they are twins. She is his genetic clone imprinted with his mind and personality and memories, everything that makes a person what they are. They were going to have Cassandra Webb telepathically rewrite all of that memory, but the process was interrupted, and the false memories they were going to imprint her with never came to be.
Jessica Drew is Peter Parker in a Woman's Body. That is right there in continuity and has been referenced several times since Bendis' bizarre foray into the Ultimate Clone Saga.
And so, if Jessica is all of a sudden into men, that would be because Peter is a repressed homosexual, or a bisexual at least... Either that or Bendis would be taking a very unpopular position on the whole "Nature vs. Nurture" argument.
Jessica Drew is Peter Parker in a Woman's Body. That is right there in continuity and has been referenced several times since Bendis' bizarre foray into the Ultimate Clone Saga.
And so, if Jessica is all of a sudden into men, that would be because Peter is a repressed homosexual, or a bisexual at least... Either that or Bendis would be taking a very unpopular position on the whole "Nature vs. Nurture" argument.
I guess that's what I was getting at. I wasn't making an argument either way, just playing devil's advocate.
Aren't identical twins technically clones at one point? Are they not one person or being at one point?
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not really. You're saying that Jessica should be attracted to girls because of 15 years worth of memories and experiences as a guy. That is nurture. If sexual orientation is genetic, and Peter is a heterosexual male, then making Jessica a girl should mean that she's genetically still heterosexual and therefore attracted to guys. That's nature. Although even if that's the case it would still be really confusing for her.
But it goes further than just sexual preference. Jessica would have 15 years of memories and experiences as a guy but the body of a girl and all that goes with it. The difference between guy and girls goes beyond just what our bodies look like, we have different hormones, different emotions, different ways of thinking about things, different ways of relating to people. That would be confusing.
Dr.Strangefate
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Eh, yes, but that point goes all the way back to conception... And identical twins are never fully identical... This was an artificially created duplicate, turned female, and imprinted with Peter's mind. I don't think its quite the same thing.
Also: I probably shouldn't have put it as nature vs. nurture, because while the prevailing notion suggests that there is something that causes homosexuality in the body, its unclear how exactly that works... I don't think its as simple as one little doohicky in your brain that makes you like the same sex, or the opposite sex, or both.
What I meant to say is that Bendis would be making an unpopular decision on whether sexuality is a choice or not.
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The Overlord
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I think you are reading way too much into this, Parker's clone is born of a different gender, that effects everything. Jessica Drew is Parker without the Y chromosome, that's a big factor, since 90% of the population is straight, if someone has two X chromosomes, they will likely be attracted to men. If Peter's parents had a girl instead of a boy, the girl would have been like Jessica Drew and likely would have attracted to men, that really doesn't reflect anything onto Peter's sexuality.
Anyway what would people like to see in Ultimate Spider-Man in the future?
Captain Canuck
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no more sexually confused super-powered teenagers.
Dr.Strangefate
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more sexually confused super powered teenagers.
Ice
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Does she *have* to really be sexually confused or just attracted to girls? X-23 isn't either in 616 being a Wolverine clone. For a brief moment she was with Julian, but that didn't mean Wolverine was gay.
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you mean wolverine isn't gay?
Twins are clones, genetically speaking. But that's the word : "genetically". Ultimate Spider-Woman is a clone of Peter both genetically but also mentally (to a point). All her life before the moment she opened her eyes for the first time, she remembers as being Peter Parker. She remembers the relationship with MJ and being in love with her. And I don't think being in a woman's body would change her tastes so radically, at least not so fast.
X-23 was a "realistic" clone of Wolverine. Despite being Wolverine's clone, she didn't inherit his personnality and memories along with his genetic code. Jessica, on the other hand, inherited those from Peter.
Ice
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Only in fanfiction.
I guess it all depends on how much you attribute sexual orientation to hormones - or, more precisely, homosexuality being a hormonal imbalance (Not That There's Anything Wrong With That). Sure, she has Peter's memories and past life experiences, but if being gay or straight comes down to hormones, then the situation's going to be more complicated. She'd REMEMBER being into chicks, but unless Peter was gay, she wouldn't have the hormonal imbalance and would most likely be straight.
But I mostly think it would be tacky because as much as Bendis can be a good writer, I don't trust him to deal with such a matter with any amount of the eloquence or subtlety it would require to be tasteful, and not seem like a cheap gimmick.
But I mostly think it would be tacky because as much as Bendis can be a good writer, I don't trust him to deal with such a matter with any amount of the eloquence or subtlety it would require to be tasteful, and not seem like a cheap gimmick.
