Except I and others as shown read it from those scenes. And IF the safety was not on the blaster then it's just reading or implying based on evidence of her seeming really in experienced with han. If that's not allowed then tell me exactly where in the film it says "she was trained by luke" NOT implied or something you read into as no where flat out says it. Her not been able to shoot is implied the same way you feel her all explaining all correcting training is
Here's the thing. When you watch the film and scene again, you'll see that isn't the case. I literally watched it and transcribed it word for word, there is no mention of a safety, Han never touches, presses, flicks, or anything to acknowledge, point out, or turn off the safety. All he does is push her wrist (he very clearly grabs her wrist, not the gun) and pushes it down. That's it. You literally completely made up the safety thing, or Landis did, but it didn't happen! The only time she turned off the safety was when she was by herself, before firing on Stormtroopers.
As for her training, you and I both know it was heavily implied. Multiple times, from her abilities to her flashbacks of witnessing Ren's betrayal/slaughter at Luke's school.
The info is all there in the film, you just refuse to accept it because it wasn't explicitly laid out and would refute your Mary Sue label.
Not ALL like I said as not combat stuff
No Lightsaber dualist and the multiple languages = multiple that's not hers HOWEVER i'll allow it based on what was said (even if luke was never fluent as c3po kept translating). So still no as I said "who were all that in their 1st movie" They weren't she is more god-modded in movie 1 than either yet you won't admit that.
But that's the thing. Anakin nor Luke were trained in the ways of the Jedi in their first films. Rey was.
So Rey isn't an overpowered Mary Sue, she's just trained at the appropriate age to begin Jedi training (as a young kid) whereas Anakin was a bit too old, and Luke way too old.
There were two reasons for the vision Rey had: to establish why there were no Jedi (Ren killed them all except Luke and Rey, and Rey was only a Padawan), and to establish Rey witnessed that slaughter and was there... because she was being trained as a Jedi.
Disregarded as that doesn't get said ever. Will it be in the sequel? Maybe.
It wasn't said, no, because they want to reveal it in the sequel. You know this. It was heavily implied and laid out by her visions.
BUT that doesn't even mean it was planned as things change
Of course they do. But again I doubt the safety scene you're talking about is even in the novelization. I think you're m misinterpreting something you read online about the novelization.
hell JJ recently said Han's death was added last second
That isn't true, though. Harrison Ford wouldn't even sign on to come back unless Han died (that was one of his contract stipulations). So, no, they didn't decide last minute to kill off Han. Maybe the manner in which it happened, but Han was always meant to die as soon as Harrison was going to come back. And that was at least 6 months before filming even began. I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but that is absolutely incorrect.
and it's not unheard of for writers to just go with a fan theory (see starscream shooting Megatron at the end of TF one)
But if you can imply her training to disregard her force powers out her ass why can't we read it as bad with guns to expert fast? same amount of evidence. However show me the line that says "she was trained by luke" even those "memories" as you call them are called "visions" everywhere
Lol, so now it has to be dialogue only? Wow. Keeps on moving the goalposts. And yes, they're called visions even though they explicitly show Rey as a kid being left on Jakku with Plutt. So all the rest are visions except that one memory? No. That's unlikely and the exact opposite of Occam's Razor approach.
Her Force training is implied specifically through what you deem as Mary Sue stuff. I deem it as proof of her previous Jedi training, which her visions/memories back up.
And when Episode VIII comes out, my theory will be vindicated. It already is simply by objectively watching TFA instead of looking for reasons to hate it. Her abilities, her visions, it's obvious, man!
Besides, the scriptwriters (especially Arndt) aren't going to add that visions scene in for no reason. The whole point of it being there was to give a non-committal hint/explanation of her past/abilities.
But that's the thing, unlike Anakin or Luke, Rey's past before Jakku is a mystery. It's intended to be (not knowing her parents), specifically to set up the reveal in the next film. But this film gave us plenty of evidence already without outright spelling it out.
I swear, they even could've revealed her past and you'd then complain they should have waited, that they revealed it "too soon", etc.
Because AGAIN she does too much ,
So does Mara. Why is it ok for Mara?
So was Luke. Double standards again.
Despite her blatant character flaws displayed that I have covered multiple times, but you go ahead and keep ignoring them because they don't support your assertions.
and far too good at the stuff she does. Not everyone in her first story liked Mara , she didn't best everyone at everything. To me and others Rey did.
Even though it takes dismissing large amounts of evidence and apparently completely pull stuff out of nowhere (like the completely made up "safety" scene that you claimed happen but didn't) to come to that conclusion.
I explained not the sexist thing which you agreed.
I said not the Disney thing as I complimented Finn , said it's not worst SW film , I even used rebels as better written than rey. Not likeing rewy or finding her to be a Mary sue would be disney IF i hadn't said they wrote better characters and complimented others.
I have even said hopefully in VIII I like her more as I also admit some of the complaints stem from bad pacing BUT that bad pacing makes her character progress way to fast to me and others.
And that's fine. That's fair. As I've repeatedly said, your opinion of the film doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to get you to like it.
I just wish you wouldn't blatantly lie about things that didn't happen (Han showing Rey the safety when that never happened, Rey easily beating Ren when she didn't, Finn holding his own against a Sith Lord when in reality even the severely wounded Sith Lord was playing with him and sliced him open after 30 seconds, Rey being an expert marksman when she shot a few Stormtroopers, writing off Rey's memories--which they clearly are given her memory of being left on Jakku, there's no debate there--when they clearly indicate her Jedi training, etc).
You literally are having to lie or twist things to make your failed point. Landis does the same with his lie about the blaster safety Han had to show her that you believed without actually researching it. It didn't happen. She turned off safety herself without anyone there or showing her how. Seems to indicate she knew how to turn it off, just forgot the safety was on.
This has been my point all along. If you don't like the movie, fine. But why lie about it? Why exaggerate things to the point they are no longer true or applicable? THAT has been what I'm saying: just stop lying/exaggerating/relying on hyperbole and objectively view/discuss the issues we've been discussing.
Whatever. Episode VIII will firmly prove you wrong. And Max Landis is the epitome of the description applied in that article I posted. That does fit him perfectly: someone desperate for attention who uses negativity to get it through social media.
Not taking any sides, but when the First Order invaded Maz's, didn't Rey take out three troopers? One just outside the forest then two within the forest? My memory is a little fuzzy on that abs I'm just wondering.
You're right. Just checked.
She sees the first Stormtrooper and tries to fire, and THAT'S when SHE notices the safety is on. Han isn't even there. She's completely alone with BB-8. ST sees her and fires first at her and misses. She immediately turns off safety, and fires, missing the trooper with first shot. She fires again and then hits him with second shot.
Then there is a quick shot of her looking at her blaster with incredulity, like she couldn't believe she hit him. Seems to indicate the whole Jedi power/training resurfacing thing.
She then turns and shoots one more Stormtrooper coming out of Maz's palace, another shoots at her and she runs to take cover (so she was indeed taking cover despite Mole's claims she didn't). Stormtrooper keeps firing as she runs, missing her (because all Stormtroopers are crappy shots apparently). She then shoots third Stormtrooper who'd been chasing her and sends BB-8 away to prevent him from being captured.
Then Ren shows up. She fires at him multiple times, missing numerous times, having a few shots deflected by his lightsaber.
So, in reality, no better shot than anyone in the previous SW films. Using the ability to shoot Stormtroopers as evidence of being overpowered when literally every non-Imperial character in the SW mythos has done so is ridiculous.
you also argue nothing besides "OT and PT did it" which they didn't , or "Meh her past explained in a future movies" which does noyt justify it. I mentioned novel as it's canon and clearly both times she's not good then and crack shot. both prove her character suddenly learnt to shoot. I mean that same part you quoted "Little bit more to it than that. You've got a lot to learn." She is not an expert yet her shooting was perfect. Not one shot either multiple
