Spider-Man 3 (discussion and spoilers)

I didn't want to hate it. I was excited as hell for this movie. It looked like it was going to not only be the best one but one of the best comic book movies ever. I didn't even read reviews or anything in case I spoiled myself. While I was watching it, I was shaking my head and wondering what the hell was going on. I was considering stopping watching it halfway through because it was so bad.
 
Why would anyone want to hate it? If anything I'd think they'd want to love it and be disappointed.

And I don't think anyone is jumping on the bandwagon here. I, personally, have said how much I wasn't looking forward to the film ever since it was announced that Venom/black suit would be involved. Since like Day 1.

Any optimism I had about the film was due in part to Raimi.



Also....couldn't people say that they hated the film or thought it was stupid because it in fact was stupid? Especially when compared to the other 2 films. Seriously....the film suffered the same fate X-Men 3 did. The studios bypassed good story to fit in a bunch of fanboy stuff.

I mean by your logic I could say that you only loved the film for 2 reasons:
1. You're Venom fanboy so you're instantly biased.
2. When almost everyone else says they hated it you say you liked it just to show how "different" you are.




Just saying is all.....


I didn't mention names so I never said you.

Yes people can hate it beacuse they thought it sucked and in some cases that is true. It seems the hatred towards the film is way , way over the top. It sound like people think it's as bad as catwoman.

And again I had my faults with film BUT it was still well done and showed you can have more than 1 enemy in a superhero film and have it be good.

Now if people think it's bad that's fine. If people are doing it only beacuse they see what overs post it's not cool.
 
I didn't mention names so I never said you.

Yes people can hate it beacuse they thought it sucked and in some cases that is true. It seems the hatred towards the film is way , way over the top. It sound like people think it's as bad as catwoman.

And again I had my faults with film BUT it was still well done and showed you can have more than 1 enemy in a superhero film and have it be good.

Now if people think it's bad that's fine. If people are doing it only beacuse they see what overs post it's not cool.

Nobody is doing that, not that I can see. You are getting really defensive about it and taking people not liking the film personally, which doesnt really make sense... Nobody is bashing you.
 
Just got back from watching Spidey 3.

To summarize my feelings on Spidey 1 - Great Peter Parker stuff, lousy villain (Green Goblin sucked - but Norman Osborne was wicked). Spidey 2 - Great villain, lousy Peter Parker stuff. Spidey 3 - Great Peter Parker and great Spidey stuff, lousy Peter Parker and lousy Spidey stuff.

C'est la vie.

Bruce Campbell's appearance made me wonder why Sam Raimi slipped in an episode of Frasier into the film, but I didn't mind. It was very funny.

The butler was bollocks. As was Sandman's, "I have a sick daughter".

That said, Sandman was brilliant. Really well done. The actor was great.

Venom suffered from Green Goblin's problem - ****ty villain, great human side. Eddie Brock was entertaining. Venom was jumbled.

Venom is one of the only supervillains in Spidey's rogues gallery that you can just do as a film. It's a solid story, with a clear beginning, middle, and end, very satisfying, and very full. It's not fatty at all. The pay off to Venom is Venom stalking Spidey, really getting under his skin by having tea with Aunt May and making MJ think Spidey's in the house (MJ was so scared of Venom, that's why Spidey ditched his black costume) and so forth. In this - he just holds her hostage.

Any villain could have done that.

In fact, they HAVE.

Spider-Man 1 - Green Goblin holds MJ hostage.
Spider-Man 2 - Doctor Octopus holds MJ hostage.
Spider-Man 3 - Venom holds MJ hostage.

What makes Venom special is the stalker aspect. This is completely missing in his movie portrayal. He's unneccessary. Hell, Venom pops up in the last 20 minutes. I don't think major villains should be cropping up at that time. He looked cool - but he wasn't cool.

Mary Jane was terrible as always. I don't know how much (if any) is Ms Dunst's fault, but the script - she's got no character to her at all. She goes from whiny to upset and then kidnapped. That's it.

The problem I have with superheroes is generally, their girlfriends aren't women I'd actually bother with. What I mean is, if I'm Superman, I don't chase Kate Bosworth. Sure, she's pretty and nice. But as soon as she starts giving me ****, I'm out of that relationship. Same as Kirsten Dunst. There's nothing there wanting me to stay and put up with her crap. Again, I don't know how much is the actor's fault (I'd say none), but I'm not interested in seeing the two together. Let him have Gwen.

I liked how neither Stacey died. Good for them!

I also loved 'evil' Peter Parker except for his appearance - making Spider-Man an emo goth was just stupid. BUT I did love that even though he was 'evil', he was still Peter Parker. I loved how Peter Parker thinks strutting is cool. Bruce Wayne wouldn't strut. Clark wouldn't strut. But Peter would. I thought that was well handled.

I also found two things that I'd never seen before and I give huge props to the Spidey 3 guys for - Firstly, I've never heard of Harry and Peter teaming up. That's a great idea and I'm surprised it's not been done before. Secondly, I'm surprised no one has ever had Sandman fly. That's superb. Sandman was really well handled (so was Harry).

I also loved Sandman's theme tune. It was really B-movie. I loved how they didn't even pretend to explain why people would be spinning sand around in a particle generator. I think the deleted scene there is some head honcho guy walking in and going,

"What the hell is the purpose of this experiment?"
"We like sand."
"... You're all fired."

Speaking of outtakes, I think there's a scene where Harry and his butler, Bernard, have to stop Harry getting married in a PG Wodehouse type of farce. Hey, if we can have a Frasier scene, we can have a Jeeves & Wooster scene.

And why did everyone forget Spidey has a Spider-Sense in this film? It never happened. Venom mentions it once and that's it.

But to get to what I think of the film - the film was sound in idea and intent, and had a lot going for it. However, it was a fatty film. It was far too long and it's production was unimaginative. Too many fights looked like a video game sequence. But the film was simply too long. It could've lost half and hour without any trouble - it spent too long on too much, creating an extremely slow-paced film. A slow pace that never really picks up. Even the final fight is very slowly paced, and somewhat unprogressive. But it's finale, like the first two, are flabby and wasteful. The best scenes of all three films should be the ending climax, but it's sad that they most certainly are not.

But it wasn't bad at all. It was okay. It didn't give me the Rage or anything, so that's good enough for me.

And it was, at times, truly, genuinely exciting and funny and even quite brutal.

I just think it could've been much better. That's what I come out with. "It was good, but it should've been better. Why wasn't it?" I feel like something's lacking. And that's because the film just didn't go far enough. We didn't reach the end of the line - we didn't see the darkest moment, and therefore, the brightest moment seems duller for it.

I agree with almost everything you said. But I hated the struting Peter. It was funny at first but went on for too long.

Plus I depised the flying Sandman. I understand catching the wind. But floating. Hell no.


:?

Pumpkin bomb to the back of the head/insta-dodge? Hello?

What about when Harry attacked him on his bike, no sense there.

yeah and Venom made a spider-sense joke.

He said that.

They wanted to do the black suit story. People would've felt ripped off if they did the black suit story without having Venom happen, and for Venom to happen, they have to establish Eddie.

They took the best route possible, really. Do the black suit, have Eddie be a great, entertaining character, then turn him into Venom towards the end of the movie and make him look awesome. Venom fanboys are happy, people who don't want Venom to take over the movie are happy, and we get the awesome Black Suit storyline.

Everybody wins!:D

You're lucky I can't find the Luthor-Wrong picture.

Yes I am :lol:

I'm not and I love Venom.

I didn't want to hate it. I was excited as hell for this movie. It looked like it was going to not only be the best one but one of the best comic book movies ever. I didn't even read reviews or anything in case I spoiled myself. While I was watching it, I was shaking my head and wondering what the hell was going on. I was considering stopping watching it halfway through because it was so bad.

Me too. It was too convulted.




And when Spider-Man ran in front of the U.S. Flag, I almost drowned myself in my popcorn. Come on, seriously?
 
Nobody is doing that, not that I can see. You are getting really defensive about it and taking people not liking the film personally, which doesnt really make sense... Nobody is bashing you.

No i'm not I'm just doing the same thing everyone else does If i mention I hate a film.

I was just making an observation dude.

It's like when I said "I hate king kong" people act liked I just said something that was offensive. Same thing when I pointed out how bad superman returns was.


And when Spider-Man ran in front of the U.S. Flag, I almost drowned myself in my popcorn. Come on, seriously?

But didn't he swing on it in another film? Which means that was to show how urgent it was that he just ran past it ignoring it not even swinging on it.
 
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The first Spidey was good but it had some bad clunker moments in it and the pacing was off.

Spidey 2 was good but it too had some bad clunker moments in it and the second act is complete bull****. When is it a good thing to have the villain of the movie completely disappear throughout the whole middle of the film?

Spidey 3 was good but it too had some bad clunker moments again in pacing as this movie needed some editing. And Venom had no place in this movie.

But it's not the worst in the series. And the comedy and action were great. Thing is, this movie's Return of the Jedi. It's a bit corny and sure Ewoks overthrow the Empire, but it's a good ending to a good trilogy which provides some great action, even if the plot doesn't make the best of sense.

Jedi- Why is there a shield generator on Endor, but not a back-up generator on the star station as a fail safe in case someone thought "Let's bombard the shield generator from space!"

SM3- How doesn't Venom know about Sandy's kid?

It's all good and now we can complain about SM4 which will not have Raimi to direct it, who's charm really made SM2 good since under a lesser hand that story would be beyond meh.

Also, for the record, SM2 is far more emo than SM3.
 
Overall, I enjoyed this film, the story was followable, it was well-cast and all of the characters related to the common moral about choices.

I was specifically fond of Thomas Haden Church, I liked him in Wings and Sideways so what can I say. Topher Grace surprised me, I never thought about Venom doing the weird "That 70's Show" transitions. As always I liked JK Simmons but it seemed that Sam did too and gave him scenes that were more stupid than funny [the camera bit? way too long]. Honestly I thought Dunst did a good job, she played her role, she wasn't spectacular but she didn't distract.

With the great out of the way, time to go to the complaints:
1. The transitions in the beggining of the film were just awful. Was I the only one who didn't like the cut paste quality of puting the scenes together? There was no fade, no black-out even, it was bad.
2. The amount of coincidences really started to bother me especially in Venom's origin. A meteorite just happens to land near Peter Parker. Peter Parker just happens to learn about his uncle's killer now [even Pete points this out] and gets angry. He just happens to randomly visit a bell tower to think [which doesn't make sense really]. He just happens to have a class with the girlfriend of his rival. The list goes on and on. It got annoying.
3. MJ getting kidnapped again really lowered my respect for the movies. It bothered me the second time. But a third time just ticked me off.
4. The movie felt wrong without the new Elfman music, plus some of the music placement made me laugh. When Pete is having the first talk with his aunt, I practically called it when the music score would start, and I almost started laughing when she was monologuing based on the music alone.
5. A heap of the fights were wonderfully well done, espically Harry Vs. Pete rd. 2 but two aspects bothered me 1] the video game fights were weird and 2] it seemed Sam fell in love with "lets give the camera a bird's eye view as the two combatents fell fighting one another". They used it in Spidey 2 once [remember during the scene when Otto had kidnapped May] but every single villain got to be filmed in this "technique". It just felt like Sam was lazy or in love.

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I just remembered something else I didn't like (but I still love the movie overall), how come Peter never told MJ about Norman Osborn as the Goblin and explain Harry's problems with Peter because of it? She knows he's Spider-Man, why would he hide that?
 
3. MJ getting kidnapped again really lowered my respect for the movies. It bothered me the second time. But a third time just ticked me off.

Why, though? It's exactly what Peter was afraid of.

I just remembered something else I didn't like (but I still love the movie overall), how come Peter never told MJ about Norman Osborn as the Goblin and explain Harry's problems with Peter because of it? She knows he's Spider-Man, why would he hide that?

Are you sure? It never said either way. I assumed he did.

On that note, I really loved how they had MJ bring up what happened between Peter and the Thug back in Spidey 1. Just the whole idea of him finally being able to share his whole life with her was one of the most satisfying things about the movie for me.
 
Heres what I didnt like

-One thing that sorta dissapointed me was that for some silly reason I thought venom was going to kill sandman not team up with him. When they met in the alley i got all excited thinking sandman was about to get his face bitten. :? Was I the only one?

-The whole "OMG where live on channel 7 news and all this **** just happenend out of nowhere! SUM1HELP!!!!!!!!!" I mean I would much rather just have scene where they somehow threw a truck and a cab 400 feet in the air and webbed it to get stuck. :roll:

What I loved

-All the villains especially Venom were awesome. Eddie was a complete dickface like he should be not some punisher anti-hero. I really like that he jumped for the symbiote at the end. That was cool way for him to go out, He was just soooo shocked and appalled that Pete would try to kill it. 8)

-ALL THE FIGHT SCENES were amazing especially the final Harry fight. Good lord did Harry get pwned

-It went from funny moments to emotional ones almost seemlessly

-Gwen Stacy could catch it. She was looking 10/10 while mj was looking like a hot mess
 
Well, at the beginning after MJ's performance she asks Peter about Harry "What's up with you two?"

So I took that to mean he never told her. Plus, she made no comment about it after his amnesia.

I just thought she meant how have things been going lately, i.e. since he found out. Have they talked yet? etc.

At any rate, I'm at the very least sure that he told her Norman was the Green Goblin.
 
-Gwen Stacy could catch it. She was looking 10/10 while mj was looking like a hot mess

I never really know what you're saying, but if this means what I think it does then I agree.

Bryce Dallas Howard has never looked so beautiful. Of course, it helps that she's not some old fashioned blind storybook mermaid or whatever.
 
I never really know what you're saying, but if this means what I think it does then I agree.

Bryce Dallas Howard has never looked so beautiful. Of course, it helps that she's not some old fashioned blind storybook mermaid or whatever.

Wait, was she the narf in Lady in the Water? I love that word! Narf. Narf. NARF. Narfnarfnarf. Hee. Gwen Stacy, Narf. Narf Stacy. Gwen Narf.


...I'm stopping now.
 
I really like that he jumped for the symbiote at the end. That was cool way for him to go out, He was just soooo shocked and appalled that Pete would try to kill it.

I thought it was stupid, and a testament to the waste of Eddie Brock and Venom. Venom could have been an excellent film villain; instead, they shoehorn him into a flick that didn't really need him, just to please fans who think Venom is the coolest villain ever due to his teeth and large tongue.

Wasted potential. Topher Grace was awesome.
 
I thought it was stupid, and a testament to the waste of Eddie Brock and Venom. Venom could have been an excellent film villain; instead, they shoehorn him into a flick that didn't really need him, just to please fans who think Venom is the coolest villain ever due to his teeth and large tongue.

Wasted potential. Topher Grace was awesome.

Here's what I'd like to say about Venom in addition to my previous post about the balance they found to work him in.

I can say with some confidence that Spidey 4 won't happen. The makers know this. The Spidey franchise wouldn't have been complete for a large chunk of the fanbase without Venom in some form. It was either Venom-lite, or no Venom at all.

A lot of you I'm sure would say "NO VENOM"... but it just can't work that way. They did the Black Suit, and this is the last film in the franchise. You just can't do the Black Suit without having Venom pop up at the end, so why not do him in a cool, fun way that doesn't take over the film?

Sorry, but it was the best way they could please as many people as possible. I for one thought it was a great way to do it. But what would you have done without doing a 4th film?
 

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