Avengers New Avengers discussion (#1-20; spoilers)

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Bass - if I'm not mistaken this Spider-Woman arc is only 2 issues. So how he ends it without 5 issues of buildup will be interesting.

I'm kind of hoping that the whole team becomes double agents led by Fury.

And Cho - I really like his work. He's great with faces. But why do all of his women have gigantic butts and thighs?
 
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UltimateE said:
And Cho - I really like his work. He's great with faces. But why do all of his women have gigantic butts and thighs?
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You forgot drawing big boobs. He's known for that.
 
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TheManWithoutFear said:
That's the interesting part. Captain America and Luke Cage are on the team and right now they both hate him.
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I don't think Jess or Spidey are his biggest fans at the moment either......

Does this mean we'll be seeing Daisy Johnson in NA??

I can't see the team becoming Fury's worker bee's, but that'll probably be the goal of the new Spider-Woman ongoing.
 
UltimateE said:
Bass - if I'm not mistaken this Spider-Woman arc is only 2 issues. So how he ends it without 5 issues of buildup will be interesting.
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It'll end with everyone chipping and setting up the Illuminati special. It won't end. It'll set up another arc later. The "Hydra versus SHIELD versus Fury" arc that takes place in 2007 or something. This arc will 'solve' the Spider-Woman mystery by just telling us what's going on with no real climax and just end with a virtual "To Be Continued".

If I'm wrong... GREAT! :D

But I probably won't be. Two issues? I can't begin to comprehend how little will happen considering what little occurs in a typical 6-issue Bendis arc.

icemastertron said:
You forgot drawing big boobs. He's known for that.
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I miss Liberty Meadows. :cry:

Dean, Ralph, and Leslie are the ****.
 
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there's nothing wrong with wanting to continue a story through a series of little substories. It works in Daredevil. I'm ok with Bendis ending this and nothing happens. As far as I'm concerned the one issue of Spider-Woman saying "I work for Fury" was enough for me.
 
New Avengers #15

So this started out slow for me.

Carol Danvers defeats Klaw and is told the Avengers are regrouping. So she goes to see Captain America. The group is getting ready to go public. Wolverine says he won't because he's a killer. And Spider-Woman is making a fuss about getting ready. Sentry stands there.

Carol talks to Cap about how great it felt being one of the most recognizeable heroes in the world when HoM was happening. She declines Cap's offer to join the team but would like to stay and watch so we get her side of the story in "blog" form.

J.J. Jameson comes in and Tony makes a deal to give him all rights to exclusive New Avengers stories if he stops slandering Spider-Man. JJ agrees. Sentry stands there.

Next the Avengers go public. Minus Wolverine and Ronin. The public loves them. Sentry stands there. Wolverine, a pregnant Jessica Jones, MJ, Aunt May, Jarvis watch from inside.

That's where Carol's story ends. I guess. She was pretty useless and her blogs were annoying.

Then after the letters page. We see Tony flipping out about the Bugle. The paper says that The New Avengers have a murder, mutant, former heroine addict (The Sentry speaks and asks, "Whose the addict?"), and of course the menace, Spider-Man. Good old J.J. It was pretty funny and should be a riot seeing the whole team get bashed now and then just because Spider-Man brought the curse of the Daily Bugle down on the team.

Then Spider-Woman walks off on her own. She goes to a bar where she meets up with another guy. Who asks about Fury, Captain American, and Madame Hydra. The plot thickens as we learn that all of Jessica Drews demons have not been revealed.

3/5
 
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TheManWithoutFear said:
So this started out slow for me.

Carol Danvers defeats Klaw and is told the Avengers are regrouping. So she goes to see Captain America. The group is getting ready to go public. Wolverine says he won't because he's a killer. And Spider-Woman is making a fuss about getting ready. Sentry stands there.

Carol talks to Cap about how great it felt being one of the most recognizeable heroes in the world when HoM was happening. She declines Cap's offer to join the team but would like to stay and watch so we get her side of the story in "blog" form.

J.J. Jameson comes in and Tony makes a deal to give him all rights to exclusive New Avengers stories if he stops slandering Spider-Man. JJ agrees. Sentry stands there.

Next the Avengers go public. Minus Wolverine and Ronin. The public loves them. Sentry stands there. Wolverine, a pregnant Jessica Jones, MJ, Aunt May, Jarvis watch from inside.

That's where Carol's story ends. I guess. She was pretty useless and her blogs were annoying.

Then after the letters page. We see Tony flipping out about the Bugle. The paper says that The New Avengers have a murder, mutant, former heroine addict (The Sentry speaks and asks, "Whose the addict?"), and of course the menace, Spider-Man. Good old J.J. It was pretty funny and should be a riot seeing the whole team get bashed now and then just because Spider-Man brought the curse of the Daily Bugle down on the team.

Then Spider-Woman walks off on her own. She goes to a bar where she meets up with another guy. Who asks about Fury, Captain American, and Madame Hydra. The plot thickens as we learn that all of Jessica Drews demons have not been revealed.

3/5
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That sounds like a pretty cool issue :)
 
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i thought the issue was great. at first i was a little bored, because i don't care about carol danvers, but the "spider-man is a hero," "captain america rules," and "jameson is a douche" moments were all great. and house of m actually meant something to someone, which is good.
 
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I missed the whole House of M thing, can someone enlighten in a few words what Danvers did during that?

Did any one else notice the red lines crossed through the words "House of M" several times in Danvers' dialogue? What was that about?

All around a great issue I thought, especially the Spidey-JJJ moment.
 
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Thiraknut said:
I missed the whole House of M thing, can someone enlighten in a few words what Danvers did during that?
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Basically she was considered the world's greatest hero. Like Superman.

I would agree with the 3/5...it was OK. I actually like the Danvers blog stuff more than the reveal.

I REALLY liked the whole thing with JJJ...what a sleezebag that guy is. I didn't like what Millar did with him in MK Spider-Man...this was much closer to what JJJ is.

Mixed feelings on the Jessica Drew thing at the end where it looks like she might actually be double-crossing Fury...it makes things more interesting, but ultimately how long can Bendis drag this out? I'm not tlking about the double crossing per se, but the leading up to it...it's kind of fatiguing. I thought what happened last issue was good; maybe if they keep that up it would be OK, where she is confused and scared...but she didn't seeem confused or scared at the end of #15.
 
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Bollocks. I forgot to pick this up this week. I want my Monkey Cho Boy.

Someone scan me the entire issue and send it to me. I miss me Cho.
 
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I couldn't even be bothered to read the blog nonsense.

JJJ was very well handled, and his interactions with the Avengers was well done indeed. Especially the "Say yes or I quit" line. The entire JJJ sub-plot was very good indeed. Fun.

However, I am rather annoyed.

First of all, let's get the maddeningly stupid thing out of the way. Okay, we all know that Bendis loves it when people stutter and forget words and what not. Iron Man can't think of the opposite to the word, 'liability'. I'm pretty sure the word he's looking for is 'asset'.

That's right. Iron Man, Tony Stark, the business multi-millionaire, doesn't know 'asset'.

Okay, I can handle Iron Man forgetting certain words that are common place, especially if under pressure - but he's not under pressure and the word he forgets - asset - is a ****ing business term he probably uses a dozen times a day.

Maybe if this was another writer it wouldn't piss me off so much, but Bendis made his bread and butter on 'realistic' dialogue, and well - this is balls.

Regardless, let's look at the two-part story.

Spider-Woman confesses to her teammates that she's an undercover double agent working for SHIELD working for Hydra working for SHIELD. At the end of the two-issues we discover she's actually a triple agent working for SHIELD working for Hydra working for SHIELD working for Hydra. So it'll be a big surprise when she turns out to be a quadruple agent who's really been working for SHIELD OR that SHIELD knew she was a triple all along and didn't tell her or whatever. It's needlessly complicated to the point of being comic. She's on so many people's sides that no matter what happens now - ugh. Where can you go? She's a double-double-double agent? She's a patsy? They know she knows they know she knows? I mean - the story's lost its point as far as I can see.

The Avengers are 'outed' (for a lack of a better term) and why? Sentry's watchtower appears on the ****ing building.

Where was the scene where Sentry is grilled by Captain America for sticking his watchtower onto the top of the building? He just grilled Spider-Woman. Does he have to wait 13 issues before asking relevant questions? Is it in the contract of being a New Avenger? Where was this scene? This is the case even if they knew the tower was there but it was invisible. And if no one knows who the tower belongs to or why it's there (the only reason for Cap to not ***** to Sentry for having his watchtower out them) why the hell aren't they even remotely concerned at the alien object on their roof? Either I'm missing something (perhaps it's explained in the blogs I didn't read) or Bendis is.

Instead we got introduced to Ms Marvel. Why? She's not an Avenger. She didn't join the team. She had nothing to do with #14. She did absolutely nothing relevant in this issue. Why the **** is she even in this issue? Why the hell are we treated to her blogs that cover up Cho's art? Is it because they're doing a Ms Marvel mini soon and they want to get coverage? That's ****ing shameless.

So, in these two parts, we are treated to two very potentially devastated sub-plots thematically linked - Spider-Woman's motives are revealed, and the Avengers are revealed - the theme of people being put out into the open.

And this theme is explored by putting people in a room and have them talk for 44 pages (except for the irrelevant Ms Marvel).

Let's forgo the concept that after having the Avengers try to keep their team secret for 14 issues they are revealed to the world by accident, I ask why was there almost no conflict in this entire two-part story? It was just exposition. The sole part of the story that was genuinely interesting was JJJ's antics.

I love Frank Cho, but this was just a dull, annoying comic.
 
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....Well I dont have much to say... Bass already told everything... :lol:
Good art, bad writer.
 
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The issue was good. Great art, good 2 part arc. Jameson...once an ***-hole, always an ***-hole. I don't know if anyone noticed, but the crowd scene, there was someone with a sign that said "I know what side I'm on!". I thought that was pretty cool.

4/5
 
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Bass said:
Okay, I can handle Iron Man forgetting certain words that are common place, especially if under pressure - but he's not under pressure and the word he forgets - asset - is a ****ing business term he probably uses a dozen times a day.
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BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

Bass said:
It's needlessly complicated to the point of being comic. She's on so many people's sides that no matter what happens now - ugh. Where can you go? She's a double-double-double agent? She's a patsy? They know she knows they know she knows? I mean - the story's lost its point as far as I can see.
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That's exactly what I was trying to say - well put.

Bass said:
Where was the scene where Sentry is grilled by Captain America for sticking his watchtower onto the top of the building? He just grilled Spider-Woman. Does he have to wait 13 issues before asking relevant questions? Is it in the contract of being a New Avenger? Where was this scene? This is the case even if they knew the tower was there but it was invisible. And if no one knows who the tower belongs to or why it's there (the only reason for Cap to not ***** to Sentry for having his watchtower out them) why the hell aren't they even remotely concerned at the alien object on their roof? Either I'm missing something (perhaps it's explained in the blogs I didn't read) or Bendis is.
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The way I understood it was that Stark's tower IS the Watchtower. Him not knowing it was part of the cover-up explained in the Sentry mini (the first one). I thought it was plausible. I didn't think it was something he would need to be grilled over; it's not like he put it there.

Bass said:
Instead we got introduced to Ms Marvel. Why?
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I can tell you why - I am willing to bet Bendis worked her in so we could see Cho draw another chick. That's what he's known for, that's what they're going to pay him for. There's a reason he was the one chosen for the Spider-Woman arc.
 
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