Avengers New Avengers discussion (#1-20; spoilers)

Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

icemastertron said:
The issue was good. Great art, good 2 part arc. Jameson...once an ***-hole, always an ***-hole. I don't know if anyone noticed, but the crowd scene, there was someone with a sign that said "I know what side I'm on!". I thought that was pretty cool.
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Man, I was JUST about to mention that. I thought it was funny as hell. Also, the "Avengers Go Home" sign was a good laugh.

Ultimate E said:
The way I understood it was that Stark's tower IS the Watchtower. Him not knowing it was part of the cover-up explained in the Sentry mini (the first one). I thought it was plausible. I didn't think it was something he would need to be grilled over; it's not like he put it there.
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So... Stark Tower is the Watchtower. But no one knows this. Up until this point it has been completey impercetible. Then, out of the blue, around the same time they discover Hydra and SHIELD are watching them like hawks, it suddenly appears and forces them into the spotlight.

And no one thinks this matters. Regardless of wether the team knows everything about the tower and its relationship to the Sentry, or if they know none of it - the tower appeared out of the blue, without anyone wanting it too, signalling the team to the world - and no one seems to care.

Does this make any sense to anyone? Why is not one member of the Avengers asking what the hell is going on?

Ultimate E said:
TI can tell you why - I am willing to bet Bendis worked her in so we could see Cho draw another chick. That's what he's known for, that's what they're going to pay him for. There's a reason he was the one chosen for the Spider-Woman arc.
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Ms Marvel mini of which Cho is doing the covers. It's just trying to up her sales, because if it was REALLY about Cho drawing loads of beautiful women then the Avengers would've asked She Hulk and Black Widow over and announced their presence to the world via a car wash or exercise routine at the gym.


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Actually, that would've been much better.
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

Bass said:
So... Stark Tower is the Watchtower. But no one knows this. Up until this point it has been completey impercetible. Then, out of the blue, around the same time they discover Hydra and SHIELD are watching them like hawks, it suddenly appears and forces them into the spotlight.

And no one thinks this matters. Regardless of wether the team knows everything about the tower and its relationship to the Sentry, or if they know none of it - the tower appeared out of the blue, without anyone wanting it too, signalling the team to the world - and no one seems to care.

Does this make any sense to anyone? Why is not one member of the Avengers asking what the hell is going on?
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The way I understood it was that the "fog" that covered the world regarding Sentry's identity and everything about him was lifted when he came out of his state at the end of the Sentry arc in NA.

So that would mean everyone remembers Sentry, and everything about him. Remember that in the first mini the Watchtower was always there, but no one remembered it. The kid still had a poster of Sentry on his wall the whole time, he just never looked at it. And that was Jenkins that wrote that, not Bendis.

I thought Bendis did a pretty decent job playing off that. Considering all that, no - I didnt think it was strange that no one questioned it or that it happened out of thin air. Sentry remembered who he was and had the power to make everyone else remember too; that's how I read it.

As far as the timing...the Hydra stuff didn't really have anything to do with it. They needed to unveil themselves once it was apparent that the Stark Tower was really the Watchtower. It's just that they were in Japan right after that and couldn't address it.
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

UltimateE said:
The way I understood it was that the "fog" that covered the world regarding Sentry's identity and everything about him was lifted when he came out of his state at the end of the Sentry arc in NA.

So that would mean everyone remembers Sentry, and everything about him. Remember that in the first mini the Watchtower was always there, but no one remembered it. The kid still had a poster of Sentry on his wall the whole time, he just never looked at it. And that was Jenkins that wrote that, not Bendis.

I thought Bendis did a pretty decent job playing off that. Considering all that, no - I didnt think it was strange that no one questioned it or that it happened out of thin air. Sentry remembered who he was and had the power to make everyone else remember too; that's how I read it.

As far as the timing...the Hydra stuff didn't really have anything to do with it. They needed to unveil themselves once it was apparent that the Stark Tower was really the Watchtower. It's just that they were in Japan right after that and couldn't address it.
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Okay, that does make sense, but then if so, why didn't the watchtower become apparent at the end of the Sentry arc? Why did it become apparent now? If Sentry had already remembered who he was, as did everyone else, then why did the Watchtower delay in appearing? And if that's the case, why did some people think it was Galactus or some other threat?

The thing is, the Watchtower appears and causes this mess, yet not one character even mentions the Watchtower or asks why it happened now as opposed to earlier or later. The Sentry is completely unfazed.

It strikes me as completely unbelievable that not one character would mention something. Instead, they all spend their time talking to JJJ and Ms Marvel.

It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

It just smacks of Bendis bringing the Sentry back and having no idea of what to actually do with him.
 
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I read this.

First off, the art was great. I love Frank Cho.

Second of all, the story was meh. Wasn't this supposed to be about Spider-Woman? The majority of this issue was about Binary or Warbird or Carol Danvers.

The blog thing was a new idea, too bad it was filled with boring stuff.

Meh.
 
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Yes, the blog was a new idea, yet not used good here. The one thing with Bendis is his LOOOOOONG dialogue during narration (more than the people talking).
 
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Bass said:
Okay, that does make sense, but then if so, why didn't the watchtower become apparent at the end of the Sentry arc?
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It DID show up at the end of the Sentry arc. :D

Bass said:
The thing is, the Watchtower appears and causes this mess, yet not one character even mentions the Watchtower or asks why it happened now as opposed to earlier or later. The Sentry is completely unfazed.
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Well, Tony did say something to the effect of "No wonder I got this land so cheap." when it appeared at the end of the Sentry arc.
 
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This makes even less sense.

It shows up at the end of the Sentry arc... then we have the Ronin arc... and NOW people notice?

How does it go unnoticed for all those issues?!
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

So when Tony paid all those construction workers to build the Stark Tower he actually paid for nothing because the WatchTower was actually already there and the construction workers built NOTHING?
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

Bass said:
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This makes even less sense.

It shows up at the end of the Sentry arc... then we have the Ronin arc... and NOW people notice?

How does it go unnoticed for all those issues?!
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The Ronin arc was 3 issues, but I think it was only like a day.

Plus like I said they were out of the country...if anyone was saying anything they wouldn't have known about it until they got back, which is what happened.

Rhyo said:
So when Tony paid all those construction workers to build the Stark Tower he actually paid for nothing because the WatchTower was actually already there and the construction workers built NOTHING?
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I don't remember - did he specifically say he built it? He said he got the land cheap but if not the building might have already been there. And they would only be seeing it as a regulra tower because of the mind-control Sentry thingee.

Also, it read more like he was making a joke rather than a 100% accurate factual statement.

You guys are making me sound like I'm rationalizing this :lol:. Am I the only one that thought it all made sense?
 
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UltimateE said:
You guys are making me sound like I'm rationalizing this :lol:. Am I the only one that thought it all made sense?
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Nope. It all makes sense to me, too.
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

UltimateE said:
The Ronin arc was 3 issues, but I think it was only like a day.

Plus like I said they were out of the country...if anyone was saying anything they wouldn't have known about it until they got back, which is what happened.
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So I went back and read #14 - Iron Man does indeed say, "We should've taken care of this before we left for Japan". I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume that they had to leave urgently for Japan and the whole Ronin thing.

But here's what I don't get - they come back and find it's okay to have them all sit around and watch Cap grill Spider-Woman.

They seem well aware people would've noticed the tower. Did they just forget?

I find that hard to believe with Iron Man's tech. Christ, Nick Fury is completely underground and hidden from all eyes, believed to be dead - and HE knew it was on the news.

These are the AVENGERS. The greatest Earth has to offer.

Why are they not paying attention to their own lives?

Though, I'm quite happy to admit I was wrong in my earlier assumptions. Instead of the Avengers being unbelievably stupid and grossly incompetent, they're just a little forgetful. I'm okay with that. That's really, to me, not much of a bad thing at all. The story wasn't stupid nonsense - it was just dull. So I'm sorry for going bat**** on my own misunderstanding.
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

Ultimate Warrior said:
Oh yeah I was meaning to ask this, what was up with all (almost) "House of M"-text being crossed by a red line?
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Damn, I wanted to ask about that, too. I was all like, "WTF...?". :?
 
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I assume it meant - "Steve doesn't remember so he can't hear this" or some such thing.

Also, one time, it's not crossed out.
 
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I know - I was pointing out only one line is crossed out, thus most likely a typo and it was meant to be.
 
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I'm never gonna tell a secret to Spiderwoman...i tell you that.
 
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In my version, two of the House of M lines are crossed out. :D
 
Re: New Avengers series discussion (spoilers)

Bass said:
But here's what I don't get - they come back and find it's okay to have them all sit around and watch Cap grill Spider-Woman.

They seem well aware people would've noticed the tower. Did they just forget?
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That's another thing that I'm just thinking came up. I mean, if I have one of my team members accused of being a double agent, it would certainly make me take notice and put things on hold until it was sorted out.

Bass said:
I find that hard to believe with Iron Man's tech. Christ, Nick Fury is completely underground and hidden from all eyes, believed to be dead - and HE knew it was on the news.
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Hrm...I dunno...if they don't have the TV on at all times and it's breaking just then, how would they know what's going on?

I mean, the same kind of thing happened in Ultimates 2 when Banner was outted and it seemed OK there...

These are the AVENGERS. The greatest Earth has to offer.

Why are they not paying attention to their own lives?

Bass said:
So I'm sorry for going bat**** on my own misunderstanding.
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Meh, I don't think there's anything to apologize for. Like I said, I could just be assuming too many things; maybe you're right.
 
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