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Why is the Hela vs Valkyries flashback not in the timeline?

Rewatching the first Thor, why isn't Odin finding baby Loki included at the beginning of the timeline with the other flashback stuff?

Due to voice-overs portraying those as stories or memories of past events being told in modern day.
 
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Do we know if the "Thor: Ragnarok" Mid-credit's scene is ripped from "Avengers: Infinity War", or was it shot for Ragnarok?
 
Do we know if the "Thor: Ragnarok" Mid-credit's scene is ripped from "Avengers: Infinity War", or was it shot for Ragnarok?

I can find no evidence online of that being shot by the Russo bros. And to my eye, it certainly looks like a Taika-shot scene.

Edit: The director's commentary was zero help. It was just Taika and his kid babbling during the mid-credit scene. The most he offered was the fact that it was a "tag scene". I feel like in other commentaries, they've pointed out when another director shot something. So it was probably his own.

Edit #2: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/03/spoilers-taika-waititi-mid-credits-scene-thor-ragnarok/

This article states that Waititi refused to confirm who directed it. And all he really says is that the whole scene was Feige's idea. I dunno, I give up.
 
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Looking back at this:

Runaways 1x04: "Fifteen" (0:00:00 - 0:03:10)
Runaways 1x08: "Tsunami" (0:03:39 - 0:04:41)
Runaways 1x08: "Tsunami" (0:06:09 - 0:06:58
Runaways 1x08: "Tsunami" (0:47:53 - 0:48:16)

Shouldn't the clip from 1x4 be after the stuff from 1x8 since
the 1x8 stuff is about Amy before she dies and the 1x4 clip is when Nico finds her dead?
 
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Also, you have this:

Iron Fist 1x11: "Lead Horse Back to Stable" (0:47:28 - 0:47:57) (Video Only)

in two different spots, once in early 2016 and again closer to the start of Iron Fist, not sure why.
 
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I'm getting towards the tail end of my marathon (on JJ season 2) and was curious if there's any suggested order for AOS S5 in regards to Inhumans, Runaways, Ragnarok. From what I've seen here it seems like there's a lot of time manipulation in the season so I'm at a loss just looking at the timeline.
 
I'm getting towards the tail end of my marathon (on JJ season 2) and was curious if there's any suggested order for AOS S5 in regards to Inhumans, Runaways, Ragnarok. From what I've seen here it seems like there's a lot of time manipulation in the season so I'm at a loss just looking at the timeline.

The MCU wiki places Inhumans in late August 2016 based on this reasoning:

In Behold…The Inhumans!, it is shown that the Terrigen outbreak from S.O.S. Part Two is ongoing. It is also referenced as being "recent". In Laws of Nature, it is shown on a detailed simulation that the Terrigen dispersal will be complete 17 months and 21 days after it started, on May 9, 2015. This would place its completion around October 30, 2016, suggesting that Day 1 of the show takes place before this. While it is possible that it occurs after, with the Terrigen still in the water, it is unlikely, especially with the outbreak still "recent". In The Gentleman's Name is Gorgon, Audrey references the Sokovia Accords, asking Crystal if the Inhuman royal family should "be on a register or something." This places Day 5 of the show after June 22, 2016, when the Accords were ratified. Overall, this suggests that Day 3 is approximately August 26, 2016, the midpoint between these dates. On Day 3, in Divide -- And Conquer, Medusa picks up that day's paper, and it is a Sunday edition. The closest Sunday is August 28, 2016, therefore placing the show approximately around that date, from August 26-31, 2016. This also matches a report claiming that Scott Buck said the royal family are aware of Quake. Quake would have caused several incidents at this point and become public knowledge. Makani also says in Those Who Would Destroy Us that Gorgon "must be one of those Inhumans I've read about." There is not a clear moment in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. that Inhumans become public knowledge, but it is safe to say that by Quake's incidents, the public is aware.

The exact dates may differ since we are still using the prop dates for Civil War March-April 2016, but basically, the Accords are referenced, meaning this is after Civil War, but the Terrigen outbreak is still going on, meaning it is before fall 2016.

Thoughts?
 
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The MCU wiki places Inhumans in late August 2016 based on this reasoning:



The exact dates may differ since we are still using the prop dates for Civil War March-April 2016, but basically, the Accords are referenced, meaning this is after Civil War, but the Terrigan outbreak is still going on, meaning it is before fall 2016.

Thoughts?

That's actually fairly reasonable.
 
Hmmm, that's not necessarily the info I was looking for, but now makes me feel like I may be watching Inhumans out of order since the timeline on page 1 has it in 2017. More or less I was just trying to figure out how to break season 5 of AOS around the other late 2017 stories as far as viewing chronologically goes since the time jump seems to have the episodes all jumbled on the timeline on page 1.
 
Hmmm, that's not necessarily the info I was looking for, but now makes me feel like I may be watching Inhumans out of order since the timeline on page 1 has it in 2017. More or less I was just trying to figure out how to break season 5 of AOS around the other late 2017 stories as far as viewing chronologically goes since the time jump seems to have the episodes all jumbled on the timeline on page 1.

My personal simplified order for 2017 goes:

Doctor Strange
Agents of SHIELD S4 1-12
Jessica Jones S2
Agents of SHIELD S4 13-22
Inhumans
Luke Cage S2*
Agents of SHIELD S5 1-10
Thor: Ragnarok
Runaways
Agents of SHIELD S5 11-?
Daredevil S3*

I know SHIELD season 5 picks up immediately after season 4, but since it takes the characters to the future pretty quickly and the Fitz episode skips to November 2017, I just watch the first pod right before Ragnarok.

EDIT: Forgot to include Runaways. I wasn't really feeling it so I wouldn't include it in my rewatch. I guess it's best to just watch it all after Ragnarok before you start the back half of SHIELD S5.
 
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EDIT: Forgot to include Runaways. I wasn't really feeling it so I wouldn't include it in my rewatch. I guess it's best to just watch it all after Ragnarok before you start the back half of SHIELD S5.

Runaways worse than Inhumans? Not seen Runaways yet but it's on TV here starting next month so going to give it a shot. Tried a couple of episodes of Inhumans but struggled to get into it.
 
No, Runaways is much better than Inhumans. I just had to watch Runaways on my phone rather than TV, and that normally takes me out of a show for some reason.

Inhumans had like 3 or 4 good episodes. I pretty much immediately just wanted Maximus to win though lol. Don't want to make your villain TOO sympathetic, guys. They also totally bungled Karnak, who was always my favorite Inhuman.
 
Also, you have this:

Iron Fist 1x11: "Lead Horse Back to Stable" (0:47:28 - 0:47:57) (Video Only)

in two different spots, once in early 2016 and again closer to the start of Iron Fist, not sure why.

Just a mistake, probably copy and pasted instead of cutting and pasting when rearranging stuff.

Looking back at this:

Runaways 1x04: "Fifteen" (0:00:00 - 0:03:10)
Runaways 1x08: "Tsunami" (0:03:39 - 0:04:41)
Runaways 1x08: "Tsunami" (0:06:09 - 0:06:58
Runaways 1x08: "Tsunami" (0:47:53 - 0:48:16)

Shouldn't the clip from 1x4 be after the stuff from 1x8 since
the 1x8 stuff is about Amy before she dies and the 1x4 clip is when Nico finds her dead?

Fixed for both. Thanks for catching those.



The MCU wiki places Inhumans in late August 2016 based on this reasoning:



The exact dates may differ since we are still using the prop dates for Civil War March-April 2016, but basically, the Accords are referenced, meaning this is after Civil War, but the Terrigen outbreak is still going on, meaning it is before fall 2016.

Thoughts?

Thats interesting. While I disagree with the specifics regarding their specific dates (since they clash with onscreen prop dates and aren't necessarily supported by dialogue), their reasoning for placement of Inhumans in late 2016 is sound. While it could be argued the estimate from SOS wasn't accurate, there's no evidence so far to suggest it wasn't, so I think this reasoning stands. I'll alter for that. I won't place it specifically in August, 2016 since the day/date difference to real world makes such alignment attempts an effort in futility, but I will move the Inhumans episodes to late 2016.

Ironically this ordering puts the two worst MCU shows one right after the other... thats going to be quite the bump in the road on marathon watch throughs, lol.
 
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Hmmm, that's not necessarily the info I was looking for, but now makes me feel like I may be watching Inhumans out of order since the timeline on page 1 has it in 2017. More or less I was just trying to figure out how to break season 5 of AOS around the other late 2017 stories as far as viewing chronologically goes since the time jump seems to have the episodes all jumbled on the timeline on page 1.

Check the simplified viewing/reading order at bottom of the second post on front page of the thread (with the guide/breakdown of whats included). As for the time jump to future, those episodes should still be watched in viewing order since those events impact the later episodes once they've returned to the past mid season 5. The best chronological simplified viewing order is as follows (tentatively speaking for the unaired episodes for AoS Season 5's latter half).

Doctor Strange
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 4x01-4x08
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Slingshot 1x01-1x06
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 4x09-4x12
Jessica Jones 2x01-2x13
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 4x13-4x22
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 5x01-5x04
Avengers - Infinity War: Prelude #1-2
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 5x05-5x10
Thor - Ragnarok
Runaways 1x01-1x05
Thanksgiving with Marvel's Runaways (Promo)
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 5x11-5x13
Runaways 1x06-1x10
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 5x14-5x22**

There's a lot of overlap of AoS Season 5 with Runaways, Thor - Ragnarok, and likely Infinity War to some degree toward end of season.
 
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Regarding Agents of SHIELD season 5's placement (the recent episodes), tonight's episode featured a shot of the outdoors while General Hale's vehicle is driving (just before unintentionally driving onto the invisible Bus). At around the 7:10 mark a quick shot of the car traveling down the street reveals patches of snow on the grass alongside the road, and the trees bare and without any leaves, indicating winter time. This reaffirms the December placement which the heart monitor date set for us.
 
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Your listing on The Timeline Site (which is what I was initially going by) has inhumans after AOS 5x04, I'm assuming that's no longer accurate?

I completely forgot about that second post on this thread, I guess that gets updates more frequently?
 
Ironically this ordering puts the two worst MCU shows one right after the other... thats going to be quite the bump in the road on marathon watch throughs, lol.

The Scott Buck challenge! Clearly a violation of the 8th amendment.
 
Yeah, that was our reasoning for Inhumans. It could really place anywhere, because it's very non-specific and doesn't have to be before October 30, 2016 because a) the simulation could be wrong - although it seems very specific and high-tech, and b) that's more about the end of the Terrigen dispersal than the end of the actual outbreak. But especially with it being referred to as "recent", we felt that the October 30, 2016 cap to the placement made sense.

And yeah, we have the main events of Captain America: Civil War in mid-to-late June 2016. Again, it's a personal preference thing, and I totally get why you've gone with April with the March newspaper and the April FedEx package. But our reasoning for it is:
*WHiH World News made it very clear with the Ant-Man stuff that it is real time, (here, here, here, and in dialogue about how Scott will be released on "July 17th" and then in that week saying "this week" and things like that. And while the Captain America: Civil War content was less explicit about being set in real time, it made sense to us that if part of it is real time, it all is. If it had no actual evidence that it was also real time though and was firmly contradicted, we would have also moved it back, but with this Earth Day tweet on the right day, April 22nd, we saw confirmation that it was meant to be real time. WHiH shows the Lagos event to be on May 3, 2016, and then the news says when Steve talks to Wanda that that was "last month" (as well as Spider-Man: Homecoming Prelude showing the Vienna bombing as "one month later"), placing at least from Ross visiting to the bombing in Vienna, 3 days later (Ross says the Accords will be ratified in 3 days when he visits), all in June 2016.
*We went with September 2016 for Spider-Man: Homecoming. There was, of course, the contradictory decathlon posters, but we went with the September 14th one because it lined up with the sticker the actress from the decathlon team shared online and the September 23rd homecoming tickets posted online by an extra and revealed on display at a Tokyo event. Plus, the fact that, at least for us, having Homecoming begin in early September meant we could actually make the "two months later" work, when we couldn't with it in October. Now, the days of the week presented in Homecoming are an absolute contradictory mess, but we concluded that the best date (again, just using real world days of the week) for him going to school "two months later" is Thursday, September 8, 2016, with Liz's party the next day being said later in the film to have been "Friday", and the September 14th Washington incident being within the week after. Working back and assuming rounding, with Civil War finishing up in late June 2016, it could just about work as approximately 2.4 months.
*Peggy is shown in Emancipation to have been born "April 9, 1921" and died aged "95", placing her death between April 9, 2016 and April 8, 2017. Mid-to-late June worked with this, but early April didn't. Although, admittedly, Peggy's date of birth is all over the place. Peggy's birthday's a bit all over the place.

Her files on display at a USC event and shown in a deleted scene from The Avengers say April 9, 1919, her medical exam from The Iron Ceiling is from when she was "26 ⁴/₁₂" at some point before April 1946 which would mean she was born before December 1919, the Civil War prop released online with the order of service for her funeral says "1921-2016", her obituary in Emancipation says "April 9, 1921" and that she died aged "95", and this video says Peggy is "91" in The Winter Soldier. Since The Winter Soldier is definitively, regardless of debate, between July 2013 and July 2014 (Steve says "I'm 95"), it places her date of birth between July 1921 and July 1923.

1919: Prop on show, deleted scene, tiny prop in The Iron Ceiling.
1920/1921 (depending on where you place Civil War): Age in paper in Emancipation.
1921: Prop posted online, date in paper in Emancipation
1922: Makeup people.
And if you do some calculating based on Hayley Atwell's age during filming for everything, it would make Peggy's date of birth closer to c. 1914...
But still, 1921 held the most weight in terms of on-screen evidence.

The final exact dates was us making sure the Civil War dates fell before Peter broke up for summer and using real world days of the week, working with the "Samstag" newspaper in the Homecoming deleted scene and Tony saying Peter was gone for the "weekend" in Homecoming. The days of the week thing is just a product of the fact that everything is dated specifically at the wiki even if only ballpark dates are given, so if it could be within a few different days, we use the real days of the week to date it. For whatever reason, a lot of the conversations I've had so far on here have happened to go into the days of the week thing, which is something we rarely implement, but oh well. Anyway, overall, we go with:
*April 9, 1921 - Peggy born.
*April 22, 2016 - WHiH tweets in real time about Earth Day.
*May 3, 2016 - WHiH posts in real time about the attack in Lagos.
*Sat, June 18, 2016 - Peggy dies, aged 95.
*Sun, June 19, 2016 - Lagos was "last month". Ross visits. Accords will be ratified in 3 days. Zemo kills Karpov. Steve finds out about Peggy.
*Wed, June 22, 2016 - Vienna. "One month later" after Peter stops a car on the same day as Lagos.
*Thu, June 23, 2016 - Bucky is taken to Germany. Bucky escapes. Tony picks up Peter for the "weekend" (and Friday, which fits because Peter is concerned about dropping out of school).
*Thu, June 23, 2016/Fri, June 24, 2016 (time zones) - Airport fight.
*Fri, June 24, 2016 - Siberia.
*Sat, June 25, 2016 - Happy gives Peter the Samstag newspaper in a deleted scene.
*Early hours of Sun, June 26, 2016 - Tony returns Peter home, said at the same Tokyo event mentioned earlier to be 48 hours after the airport fight, after Tony had him for "the weekend".
*(June 29, 2016 - Black Panther begins.)
*(July 6, 2016 - Final fight with Killmonger.)
*Thu, September 8, 2016 - 2.4 months after Tony dropped him home, "two months later", Homecoming picks up.

Just thought I should explain our reasoning there over Civil War.



Our estimate with Inhumans was based on a halfway point between Vienna on June 22, 2016 and the end of the Terrigen dispersal on October 30, 2016, giving us late August 2016 as an approximation. But if you're using the same logic, with Civil War in April, you'd be more likely to place it around July 2016.
 
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And yeah, we have the main events of Captain America: Civil War in mid-to-late June 2016. Again, it's a personal preference thing, and I totally get why you've gone with April with the March newspaper and the April FedEx package. But our reasoning for it is:
*WHiH World News made it very clear with the Ant-Man stuff that it is real time, (here, here, here, and in dialogue about how Scott will be released on "July 17th" and then in that week saying "this week" and things like that. And while the Captain America: Civil War content was less explicit about being set in real time, it made sense to us that if part of it is real time, it all is. If it had no actual evidence that it was also real time though and was firmly contradicted, we would have also moved it back, but with this Earth Day tweet on the right day, April 22nd, we saw confirmation that it was meant to be real time. WHiH shows the Lagos event to be on May 3, 2016, and then the news says when Steve talks to Wanda that that was "last month" (as well as Spider-Man: Homecoming Prelude showing the Vienna bombing as "one month later"), placing at least from Ross visiting to the bombing in Vienna, 3 days later (Ross says the Accords will be ratified in 3 days when he visits), all in June 2016.
*We went with September 2016 for Spider-Man: Homecoming. There was, of course, the contradictory decathlon posters, but we went with the September 14th one because it lined up with the sticker the actress from the decathlon team shared online and the September 23rd homecoming tickets posted online by an extra and revealed on display at a Tokyo event. Plus, the fact that, at least for us, having Homecoming begin in early September meant we could actually make the "two months later" work, when we couldn't with it in October. Now, the days of the week presented in Homecoming are an absolute contradictory mess, but we concluded that the best date (again, just using real world days of the week) for him going to school "two months later" is Thursday, September 8, 2016, with Liz's party the next day being said later in the film to have been "Friday", and the September 14th Washington incident being within the week after. Working back and assuming rounding, with Civil War finishing up in late June 2016, it could just about work as approximately 2.4 months.
*Peggy is shown in Emancipation to have been born "April 9, 1921" and died aged "95", placing her death between April 9, 2016 and April 8, 2017. Mid-to-late June worked with this, but early April didn't. Although, admittedly, Peggy's date of birth is all over the place. Peggy's birthday's a bit all over the place.

Also, Zemo says he planned his revenge for "over a year" (meaning more than 365 days), and Charlie Spencer had decided to spend the summer in Sokovia, supporting that it is probably not earlier than May during Age of Ultron, therefore making sense with Civil War being in late June 2016, "more than a year" after Sokovia.
 

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