Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

Recently finished rewatching DD Season 1. Just curious as to why you chose to place it in 2014? All the dates I saw were set in 2015, but I could have missed something?
 
DIrishB said:
Let me know what dates you're referring to and if you remember which episodes you saw them in. Been awhile since I watched Season 1 so I'll have to see.
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Here ya go, here's all the ones I was able to see

"Rabbit in a Snowstorm"- Around the nine minute mark, Karen is reading a sheet of paper from "Kirchner & Braun" about her breaching Union Allied's non-disclosure agreement. It is dated "July 20, 2015."

"World on Fire"- Blake's cell phone says "Aug 22" there's no year, but you know.

"Shadows in the Glass"- There is a online news article titled "Wounded cop regains conciousness" referring to Agent Blake "Published: September 5, 2015"

"Speak of the Devil"- It's about mid episode when they are looking at the files for the men who attacked Karen and destroyed Elena's apartment. Both of their files say that their general contractors licenses expire on "12/31/2015" on that same sheet of paper it also says that both of their licenses were "Issued: 01/01/2015"

That's all I have from the first season.
 
DE23111 said:
Here ya go, here's all the ones I was able to see

"Rabbit in a Snowstorm"- Around the nine minute mark, Karen is reading a sheet of paper from "Kirchner & Braun" about her breaching Union Allied's non-disclosure agreement. It is dated "July 20, 2015."

"World on Fire"- Blake's cell phone says "Aug 22" there's no year, but you know.

"Shadows in the Glass"- There is a online news article titled "Wounded cop regains conciousness" referring to Agent Blake "Published: September 5, 2015"

"Speak of the Devil"- It's about mid episode when they are looking at the files for the men who attacked Karen and destroyed Elena's apartment. Both of their files say that their general contractors licenses expire on "12/31/2015" on that same sheet of paper it also says that both of their licenses were "Issued: 01/01/2015"

That's all I have from the first season.
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And a newspaper in Iron Man 3 said it took place 2013, which obviously isn't true.
 
Yeah, but this is like four dates, a newspaper, a legal document, and some database documents and the only line involving a passage of time is (Karen: "The last two years have transformed the business" Matt: "Yeah, The world watched half of New York get destroyed") which is somewhat vague. Nothing ever says "It's been two years since New York." We don't know when rebuilding started, 2012....2013? Maybe after cleaning up hundreds of giant space worm whales? Who knows? We are never given that information, so neither one of us can argue it. I can however argue that there are multiple specific dates, over multiple episodes. Not totally sure where the hostility is coming from, but I'm not trying to lure you into anything.
 
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selfishmisery said:
Look, I'm not in any damn mood to argue right now. I have work I need to get done for classes, and you and DE23111 aren't going to drag me into some long argument about "Well, it HAS to take place in 2015" bullcrap.

Forget I even mentioned it. I guess I obviously suck at this "explaining" game, but that still doesn't mean DE23111 is 100% correct. DIrishB will explain it better than I can.
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Um... I'm not on any side here. I don't know one year from the other and I don't really care who's correct. I was just hoping someone would give a reason, like some other relative chronology that trumps a newspaper date. Yours wasn't like that, that's all. Sorry if I offended you with my post.
 
DE23111 said:
Yeah, but this is like four dates, a newspaper, a legal document, and some database documents and the only line involving a passage of time is (Karen: "The last two years have transformed the business" Matt: "Yeah, The world watched half of New York get destroyed") which is somewhat vague. Nothing ever says "It's been two years since New York." We don't know when rebuilding started, 2012....2013? Maybe after cleaning up hundreds of giant space worm whales? Who knows? We are never given that information, so neither one of us can argue it. I can however argue that there are multiple specific dates, over multiple episodes. Not totally sure where the hostility is coming from, but I'm not trying to lure you into anything.
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It's the dialogue itself. It would actually be a little over 3 years after Chitauri invasion seen in Avengers if it was 2015. To fall within "2 years" making any sense it would have to be between May, 2014 and April/very early May, 2015 for it to make sense. As I've said before, dialogue overrides everything since it's specifically scripted that way. If prop dates conflict I will always take position of the dialogue over prop dates. And sometimes, the prop dates do conflict simply because the scriptwriters/prop departments/producers don't pore over the timeline aspects as us obsessive fans do. It often creates problems, such as this. Based on dates you listed, the two years comment should be 3 to make any sense. Especially since by late season it's already well into early fall.

Otherwise, I absolutely use prop dates, as you know, but they've been incorrect in few cases, too. Its never going to be perfect. I'm not averse to moving it to 2015 but it might create other problems regarding Season 2's placements which are also drawn from hard dates seen on props (newspapers, police files, etc) to draw dates from, not to mention the season ending at Christmas. Somehow we're supposed to stretch episodes that follow almost entirely one right after the other for first half of season and same with second half from heat wave and summer time weather in early episodes to Season's ending at Christmas, without much time passing between based on bruises/injuries, and Frank finally fully embracing the Punisher persona... Or not depending on how that show begins.

I disagree the comment is vague. I'm not saying its exact to the day, but it's pretty clear:

"The last two years have transformed the business"

"Yeah, The world watched half of New York get destroyed"

That seems to clearly indicate it's been between 2-3 years since Chitauri invasion, since events of Avengers, not over 3 (and well over 3 by season's end) as your dating requires.

Further, there wouldn't likely be a delay on reconstruction in NYC. That would be pretty immediate after SHIELD finished cleaning up all the Chitauri tech and alien bodies, which the One Shot "Item 47" showed was done within days. Reconstruction would've likely been planned and started within a month, maybe two, beginning with cleanup and (infrastructure repairs would've begun immediately after SHIELD's cordon was lifted, literally next day or two). You could say it's been more than two years, and I'd agree. I'd even be willing to agree to just under 3 years. But over 3 years makes no sense given the dialogue.

Simply comes down to scripted dialogue overriding prop dates, but in all other cases prop dates are utilized.
 
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DIrishB said:
It's the dialogue itself. It would actually be a little over 3 years after Chitauri invasion seen in Avengers if it was 2015. To fall within "2 years" making any sense it would have to be between May, 2014 and April/very early May, 2015 for it to make sense. As I've said before, dialogue overrides everything since it's specifically scripted that way. If prop dates conflict I will always take position of the dialogue over prop dates. And sometimes, the prop dates do conflict simply because the scriptwriters/prop departments/producers don't pore over the timeline aspects as us obsessive fans do. It often creates problems, such as this. Based on dates you listed, the two years comment should be 3 to make any sense. Especially since by late season it's already well into early fall.

Otherwise, I absolutely use prop dates, as you know, but they've been incorrect in few cases, too. Its never going to be perfect. I'm not averse to moving it to 2015 but it might create other problems regarding Season 2's placements which are also drawn from hard dates seen on props (newspapers, police files, etc) to draw dates from, not to mention the season ending at Christmas. Somehow we're supposed to stretch episodes that follow almost entirely one right after the other for first half of season and same with second half from heat wave and summer time weather in early episodes to Season's ending at Christmas, without much time passing between based on bruises/injuries, and Frank finally fully embracing the Punisher persona... Or not depending on how that show begins.

I disagree the comment is vague. I'm not saying its exact to the day, but it's pretty clear:

"The last two years have transformed the business"

"Yeah, The world watched half of New York get destroyed"

That seems to clearly indicate it's been between 2-3 years since Chitauri invasion, since events of Avengers, not over 3 (and well over 3 by season's end) as your dating requires.

Further, there wouldn't likely be a delay on reconstruction in NYC. That would be pretty immediate after SHIELD finished cleaning up all the Chitauri tech and alien bodies, which the One Shot "Item 47" showed was done within days. Reconstruction would've likely been planned and started within a month, maybe two, beginning with cleanup and (infrastructure repairs would've begun immediately after SHIELD's cordon was lifted, literally next day or two). You could say it's been more than two years, and I'd agree. I'd even be willing to agree to just under 3 years. But over 3 years makes no sense given the dialogue.

Simply comes down to scripted dialogue overriding prop dates, but in all other cases prop dates are utilized.
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I guess it just always made sense to me that the construction of Hell's Kitchen wouldn't be as much a priority as the more prestigious parts of New York. As a line in "Into the Ring" indicates that Union Allied wasn't in charge of the entire project, but only a part of the city (Karen: "I, uh, work... worked in the financial department at Union Allied. They're overseeing the bulk of the government contracts for the West Side reconstruction."
Foggy: "I've seen their signs all over Hell's Kitchen.")

Also, I believe the reconstruction itself may not have been as fast as we think, given that WHIH was holding a 10K in November to still raise money for it, establishing, if we didn't already figure, that it was a very expensive project. The only problem I really ran into with these dates was getting the July date to the August one. But getting the August date to the September on isn't difficult at all seeing as there could easily be a passage of time between "Condemned" and "Stick," as it's one of the few episodes that don't pick up right after the other.

I think I'm also confused as to, if we're going off of that one line of dialog on it's own, why you have placed the series in early November, five months outside of the May 2012-May 2014 two year period that they state. I haven't rewatched DD S2 yet, so forgive me for not using an information from that.

But, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, it's well established that we feel differently about what should be considered more important to determine what's right and wrong. But, as I go through I just like to report findings so that if anyone has missed anything at some point, they get a complete picture. All a matter of perspective.

Also, just wanted to say, in the AOS Season 2 episode "Who You Really Are" which you have set in 2015, Coulson tells Lady Sif, "You told me last year that the Kree had not visited our realm," a reference to their conversation in "Yes Men" which you have set in 2013. Also, the next episode "One of Us" takes place the day directly after "Who You Really Are" so the two being listed as different months seems strange.
 
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DE23111 said:
I guess it just always made sense to me that the construction of Hell's Kitchen wouldn't be as much a priority as the more prestigious parts of New York. As a line in "Into the Ring" indicates that Union Allied wasn't in charge of the entire project, but only a part of the city (Karen: "I, uh, work... worked in the financial department at Union Allied. They're overseeing the bulk of the government contracts for the West Side reconstruction."
Foggy: "I've seen their signs all over Hell's Kitchen.")

Also, I believe the reconstruction itself may not have been as fast as we think, given that WHIH was holding a 10K in November to still raise money for it, establishing, if we didn't already figure, that it was a very expensive project. The only problem I really ran into with these dates was getting the July date to the August one. But getting the August date to the September on isn't difficult at all seeing as there could easily be a passage of time between "Condemned" and "Stick," as it's one of the few episodes that don't pick up right after the other.

I think I'm also confused as to, if we're going off of that one line of dialog on it's own, why you have placed the series in early November, five months outside of the May 2012-May 2014 two year period that they state. I haven't rewatched DD S2 yet, so forgive me for not using an information from that.

But, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, it's well established that we feel differently about what should be considered more important to determine what's right and wrong. But, as I go through I just like to report findings so that if anyone has missed anything at some point, they get a complete picture. All a matter of perspective.

Also, just wanted to say, in the AOS Season 2 episode "Who You Really Are" which you have set in 2015, Coulson tells Lady Sif, "You told me last year that the Kree had not visited our realm," a reference to their conversation in "Yes Men" which you have set in 2013. Also, the next episode "One of Us" takes place the day directly after "Who You Really Are" so the two being listed as different months seems strange.
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It being a few months over two years, even two and a half, would fit with Matt's statement of "two years", whereas over three years wouldn't. He was specifically referring to attack/events of Avengers as being two years before (though likely not specific to exact month, so several months later still works).

AoS placements need major overhauls. I just finished my Star Trek timeline which took almost a year to watch through all series and films, so I'm planning on rewatching entirety of AoS and fixing what needs fixing now that I can refocus on MCU.
 
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In a recent interview, James Gunn mentioned the story arcs for each character in GotG Vol 2, and specifically said:

"And of course Baby Groot's relationship with all of them, they are the worst parents in the entire world! Who else brings a two-year-old son into a giant battle with a giant monster? Terrible parents! And maybe Gamora and Rocket are better than the other two. The other two are terrible. All of those things come together in a way that seems pretty magical."
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Previously it was said GotG Vol 2 occurred a couple months after the first film, but that statement would indicate it's been two years. Hmmmm... Mayhe he misspoke? Meant to say months, not years? Or maybe they changed it's placement?
 
DIrishB said:
It being a few months over two years, even two and a half, would fit with Matt's statement of "two years", whereas over three years wouldn't. He was specifically referring to attack/events of Avengers as being two years before (though likely not specific to exact month, so several months later still works).

AoS placements need major overhauls. I just finished my Star Trek timeline which took almost a year to watch through all series and films, so I'm planning on rewatching entirety of AoS and fixing what needs fixing now that I can refocus on MCU.
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I don't think it's specific, as Karen is speaking of the construction buissness and the impact New York had on it. Matt was reiterating how crazy the nature of New York was. But hey, agree to disagree.

And yeah, almost done with Season 2 myself. Forgot how good it was.
 
DIrishB said:
In a recent interview, James Gunn mentioned the story arcs for each character in GotG Vol 2, and specifically said:



Previously it was said GotG Vol 2 occurred a couple months after the first film, but that statement would indicate it's been two years. Hmmmm... Mayhe he misspoke? Meant to say months, not years? Or maybe they changed it's placement?
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It doesn't really seem like much passage of time has happened between Guardians 1 and 2 judging solely from the trailers. I wouldn't put it past Gunn to just use a two-year old as an example of a toddler which baby Groot very much is supposed to be but obviously his growth is accelerated thanks to his biology. At the same time, though, I have always found it strange how the Guardians are supposed to be set up for Infinity War if it takes place, AT LEAST, two years after 2014 (depending on when they set IW, that is) and at most, FOUR years. If Guardians 2 is really set around 2016-2017, that would make more sense for them to be built up for the next Avengers film.

As it stands, though, the trailers indicate to me that it doesn't take place very long after the first film just given the way it's handled. It doesn't feel like two years have really passed for these guys.
 
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Iron Fist definitely starts a day before Chinese New Year (of 2016) judging from the first episode.
 
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DIrishB said:
Yeah, which is weird cuz that'd be early February but it's clearly Spring/Summer time. Are there any Chinese holidays/festivals that occur during Spring or Summer?
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Correction, spring/summer was the time when the Season One was filmed. And, yes, if you ask there are some holidays on those seasons of the year: http://www.officeholidays.com/countries/china/2016.php

Also, it looks like the final scene of Iron Fist is followed immediately by The Defenders because in this pic Danny and Colleen return to New York with very similar clothes from the Episode 13 of Season 1: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...Llvv3E7.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170112202611

Cox said that Defender starts a few months after the end of DD2.
 
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