Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[Zpdedoda]

You have the end credit scene involving spider man (2:26:29 - 2:27:25) on April 14th. Surely that belongs on April 11th to be on the same day as the airport fight.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I must have missed it. Where do we get a specific date for the accords? I know we duduced that it was likely early April but is there a newspaper date or something?

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I believe that we have incorrect dating of the second half of AOS S3. specifically AOS s3e11 starts with a flash forword to "Three months from now". It now seems settled that Civil War takes place in April. If so, then the events of the flash forward which eventually occur in AOS S3e22 after the accords are law also occur in April. That means AOS S3e11 must occur in January (3 months prior). Not December as presently illustrated.

Thoughts?

 

[Zpdedoda]

I must have missed it. Where do we get a specific date for the accords? I know we duduced that it was likely early April but is there a newspaper date or something?

There is a date on the parcel Stan Lee delivers right at the end. I think the rest of the dates is just backtracking.


Also there best be a firm date set somewhere in Luke Cage otherwise we'll be debating the placing of that for ages

 

[Lebnyx]

After thinking about it a bit, I might have a few more suggestions:


1- If T'Challa apprehended Zemo in Siberia in the morning of April 12th (in that time zone), then it would have been nighttime in Germany (April 11th).

Considering that, then a several-hours long flight would mean that he turns him over to the JCTC in the morning of April 12th in Berlin (since it's 8 hours behind). Since Everett Ross was informing Zemo about the conditions of his imprisonment, it's probably been shortly after his arrest.


2- In the mid-credits scene in Wakanda, Steve's face is still noticeably pretty bruised, while in the final shot of the movie, where he rescues Teap Cap from the Raft, he doesn't appear to have any bruises. So that scene likely takes place after the mid-credits scene, after maybe a day or two of recovering/laying out a plan before rescuing his teammates.

Also, in the final credits scene, where Peter tests out his new web-launcher, it appears to be evening, due to it being dark out when looking out the window.


So here's what I'm thinking:

-April 12: battle in Siberia, T'Challa takes Zemo to the authorities in Germany, mid-credits scene in Wakanda, post-credits scene with Peter

-April 14: Tony receives the package from Steve, who breaks the other Avengers out from the Raft.

Does this make sense?

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Aos 4x01 occurs in December 2016.

What we know...
Civil war ends April 14 2016
Aos 3x20-22 immediately follows - mid/late April 2016
Aos 3x22 end scene features Mac and coulson chasing quake "6 months later" with quake escaping = mid/late October 2016
Aos 4x01 establishes that the new director has pulled Mac and coulson off the quake case since he suspects they let her escape. Mac and coulson are called back to base after "6 weeks" in the air. Mid/late October + 1.5 months = early/mid December 2016 at the earliest.

 

[DIrishB]

You have the end credit scene involving spider man (2:26:29 - 2:27:25) on April 14th. Surely that belongs on April 11th to be on the same day as the airport fight.

Fixed that.

I must have missed it. Where do we get a specific date for the accords? I know we duduced that it was likely early April but is there a newspaper date or something?

Civil War contains two specific dates, the first helps specifically place the Lagos mission on March 21 through the newspaper shown on the table Wanda is sitting at while being talked through scoping out of surrounding area. The second date is shown on the Fedex package Steve sends Tony, which specifically is dated April 14 as its delivery date. Backdating from there gives the Sokovia Accords date.

I believe that we have incorrect dating of the second half of AOS S3. specifically AOS s3e11 starts with a flash forword to "Three months from now". It now seems settled that Civil War takes place in April. If so, then the events of the flash forward which eventually occur in AOS S3e22 after the accords are law also occur in April. That means AOS S3e11 must occur in January (3 months prior). Not December as presently illustrated.

Thoughts?

This is one of those things that got forgotten about when editing/moving stuff around, fixed! Thanks for catching that.

There is a date on the parcel Stan Lee delivers right at the end. I think the rest of the dates is just backtracking.


Also there best be a firm date set somewhere in Luke Cage otherwise we'll be debating the placing of that for ages

Currently its been said Luke Cage picks up a few months after events of Jessica Jones. However, if dates shown on props show otherwise, and no dialogue or anything else reinforces the comment LC picks up a few months after JJ, I'll utilize the prop dates over behind the scenes, offhand remarks made by the actors like the "few months" comment is.

After thinking about it a bit, I might have a few more suggestions:


1- If T'Challa apprehended Zemo in Siberia in the morning of April 12th (in that time zone), then it would have been nighttime in Germany (April 11th).

Considering that, then a several-hours long flight would mean that he turns him over to the JCTC in the morning of April 12th in Berlin (since it's 8 hours behind). Since Everett Ross was informing Zemo about the conditions of his imprisonment, it's probably been shortly after his arrest.

Good point. Fixed for that, but it moves everything up by a day.

2- In the mid-credits scene in Wakanda, Steve's face is still noticeably pretty bruised, while in the final shot of the movie, where he rescues Teap Cap from the Raft, he doesn't appear to have any bruises. So that scene likely takes place after the mid-credits scene, after maybe a day or two of recovering/laying out a plan before rescuing his teammates.

Also, in the final credits scene, where Peter tests out his new web-launcher, it appears to be evening, due to it being dark out when looking out the window.

Also good suggestions. Adjusted for that.

So here's what I'm thinking:

-April 12: battle in Siberia, T'Challa takes Zemo to the authorities in Germany, mid-credits scene in Wakanda, post-credits scene with Peter

I think the post credit scene with Peter must occur the same day as the airport battle, that evening specifically. I doubt Aunt May would've allowed Peter to leave for more than a day without her knowing where he was. Presumably Stark picked Peter up in mid afternoon (Eastern time), traveled to Berlin and had the big fight (presumably several hours or more after leaving May and Peter's apartment, depending on how fast Stark's private jets can travel--odds are much faster than your standard commercial airliner) on the next day. Stark then has Peter travel home on his private jet, leaving Berlin around midday or afternoon, and arriving back in NY same day but much earlier due to time zone difference (so likely in middle of day or afternoon at latest). Presumably Aunt May got home from work and saw Peter's eye at that point, when the post credit scene begins. So, maybe a day at most. Thats how I saw it anyway.

-April 14: Tony receives the package from Steve, who breaks the other Avengers out from the Raft.

Does this make sense?

Yep, for most part. Double check the adjustments made though, as now the dates have been moved up by a day.

Aos 4x01 occurs in December 2016.

What we know...
Civil war ends April 14 2016
Aos 3x20-22 immediately follows - mid/late April 2016
Aos 3x22 end scene features Mac and coulson chasing quake "6 months later" with quake escaping = mid/late October 2016
Aos 4x01 establishes that the new director has pulled Mac and coulson off the quake case since he suspects they let her escape. Mac and coulson are called back to base after "6 weeks" in the air. Mid/late October + 1.5 months = early/mid December 2016 at the earliest.

I could be wrong but the 6 weeks in air quote I took to include the time they'd already been chasing Daisy, not 6 weeks after the 3x22 flash forward. Pretty sure AoS 4x01 picks up very soon after that flash forward, by maybe only days. That'd mean the present time is still October, 2016, and the six weeks quote confirms they've been chasing her since August or so.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I have to disagree. Consider the end dialogue of 3-22

Coulson "call the director. We struck out again."
Mac "he'll take us off the trail"
Coulson "and call in the national guard. Yeah."
Mac "where will we be assigned?"
Coulson "guess we will have to wait and see. "

Then in 4-01 we discover that Coulson and Mac have been pulled off the daisy case and have spent the last 6 weeks in the air on zephyr one without touching down.

Mac was right the director did reassign them as he predicted. And must have spent at least 6 additional weeks not tracking daisy after 3-22.

 

[Lebnyx]

Good point. Fixed for that, but it moves everything up by a day.

Out of curiosity, how does it move the placement of everything up by a day? Or maybe I just made a mistake; I was kind of looking at it a glance.

I think the post credit scene with Peter must occur the same day as the airport battle, that evening specifically. I doubt Aunt May would've allowed Peter to leave for more than a day without her knowing where he was. Presumably Stark picked Peter up in mid afternoon (Eastern time), traveled to Berlin and had the big fight (presumably several hours or more after leaving May and Peter's apartment, depending on how fast Stark's private jets can travel--odds are much faster than your standard commercial airliner) on the next day. Stark then has Peter travel home on his private jet, leaving Berlin around midday or afternoon, and arriving back in NY same day but much earlier due to time zone difference (so likely in middle of day or afternoon at latest). Presumably Aunt May got home from work and saw Peter's eye at that point, when the post credit scene begins. So, maybe a day at most. Thats how I saw it anyway.

Not necessarily. Some bruises can take over a day to show up. Maybe he returned to Queens as expected, then his bruises show up a day later.

Then again, I don't really know how long it would take for bruises from something like the airport battle to show up though, so it might make sense to have that later on the day of the airport battle as you said.

Yep, for most part. Double check the adjustments made though, as now the dates have been moved up by a day.

I think the day where Tony recruits Peter is probably April 10th at the latest.

If the props indicate that the day of the week are laid out differently in the MCU (the newspaper at the beginning says Sunday March 22, even though it's a Tuesday IRL; the FedEx package at the end says Tuesday April 14, even though it's a Thursday IRL), then considering Peter has just returned from school (May asks how was school and Peter tells Tony he had an algebra test that day), the latest we can place Spidey's recruitment without overlapping/contradicting the April 14th FedEx delivery is April 10th, as that would be a Friday in the MCU.

Keeping that in mind, I'd say keep the dates as they were, minus my suggestions.

-April 6: MIT

-April 7: Accords meeting

-April 10: UN bombing, they find Bucky, Tony recruits Peter

-April 11: Airport battle (later that day, post-credits scene with Peter?)

-April 12: Cap, Bucky and Tony fight, Zemo is arrested (post-credits scene with Bucky?)

-April 14: Tony receives the package and letter, Steve rescues his team from the Raft

 

[DIrishB]

Out of curiosity, how does it move the placement of everything up by a day? Or maybe I just made a mistake; I was kind of looking at it a glance.

Because the hard date of April 14 on the Fedex package gives us a firm date for the film's concluding scenes. Thus backdating everything while retaining that and making sense of the Siberia/Germany time zone differences in regards to day. I previously assumed there was no gap between the ending scenes, but that day gap (nothing on April 13) can work and explain slight healing of the bruises on some of the characters faces.

Not necessarily. Some bruises can take over a day to show up. Maybe he returned to Queens as expected, then his bruises show up a day later.

Then again, I don't really know how long it would take for bruises from something like the airport battle to show up though, so it might make sense to have that later on the day of the airport battle as you said.

The bruise may take a bit to show up, but the pain wouldn't. Also, most apply ice soon after to minimize bruising/swelling, indicating its not long after. Plus, like I said, he's a minor, a 15 or 16 year old kid. It's unlikely May would've been cool with him being gone for an extended period of time (few days) especially missing school.

Further, I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure in the comics Spidey's powers give him a quickened healing time. Not Wolverine level, obviously, but faster than your average human. It stands to reason his healing process (including the formation of bruises) is also faster, so a full day before said bruises show on him isn't likely. Plus the way he's favoring it indicate its quite recent, least thats how I took it.

I think the day where Tony recruits Peter is probably April 10th at the latest.

If the props indicate that the day of the week are laid out differently in the MCU (the newspaper at the beginning says Sunday March 22, even though it's a Tuesday IRL; the FedEx package at the end says Tuesday April 14, even though it's a Thursday IRL), then considering Peter has just returned from school (May asks how was school and Peter tells Tony he had an algebra test that day), the latest we can place Spidey's recruitment without overlapping/contradicting the April 14th FedEx delivery is April 10th, as that would be a Friday in the MCU.

Keeping that in mind, I'd say keep the dates as they were, minus my suggestions.

-April 6: MIT

-April 7: Accords meeting

-April 10: UN bombing, they find Bucky, Tony recruits Peter

-April 11: Airport battle (later that day, post-credits scene with Peter?)

-April 12: Cap, Bucky and Tony fight, Zemo is arrested (post-credits scene with Bucky?)

-April 14: Tony receives the package and letter, Steve rescues his team from the Raft

Fair point, let me tinker some.

 

[DIrishB]

I have to disagree. Consider the end dialogue of 3-22

Coulson "call the director. We struck out again."
Mac "he'll take us off the trail"
Coulson "and call in the national guard. Yeah."
Mac "where will we be assigned?"
Coulson "guess we will have to wait and see. "

Then in 4-01 we discover that Coulson and Mac have been pulled off the daisy case and have spent the last 6 weeks in the air on zephyr one without touching down.

Mac was right the director did reassign them as he predicted. And must have spent at least 6 additional weeks not tracking daisy after 3-22.

So rewatching the episode and it never confirms the ending portion of 3x22 occurred 6 weeks before. The 6 weeks comment could very well have included the events at end of 3x22 (the flashforward). The only info given is that they've been on various missions around the globe for 6 weeks. Touching down obviously refers to them returning to the base, so presumably they have been gone from the base for a month and a half. But nowhere is it stated they were pulled off the Daisy case 6 weeks ago, only that they've spent 6 weeks on various missions. They very well could only have been pulled off the Daisy case a week or two before, or a month, etc. Its not specified.

You're taking the six weeks comment to mean since their last encounter with Daisy, but the six weeks comments are completely separate from that event, and only apply to the list of missions they'd been on (one of which could have included chasing Daisy for some portion of those 6 weeks when other assignments didn't conflict).

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think they intended that to be six weeks after the flashforward.

Also, there will likely be some degree of crossover element with Doctor Strange. If that film has any timeline markers that'll set the precedent, but I am reluctant to force 4x01 through presumably 4x07 or so for the crossover episodes and Doctor Strange all in December (assuming DS is still meant to be set in 2016, which is likely given most of the films at least match their release year in terms of timeline). While I don't utilize the release date order nonsense, there is some validity to the approach of the films/episodes retaining some element of modern time. Forcing 4x01 into December likely would push everything after 4x04 or so and onwards into 2017, including the Doctor Strange film, which I don't think is accurate.

For now I'm going to leave it in October. Maybe I missed something but nothing I saw indicated the six weeks comment applied to their reassignment, only how long they'd been gone from the base on various assignments, nor six weeks since they'd been taken off Daisy's case.

Also, don't forget AIDA. The 3x22 ending scene has the Dr. Radcliffe declaring that "today" was AIDA's birthday. Her body was clearly complete through the hazy glass wall at that point too. Presumably he wouldn't wait 6 weeks to introduce her to Fitz.

I don't know. Just doesn't seem likely they intended 4x01 to pick up 6 weeks after the 3x22 ending, and the dialogue doesn't necessarily support that either. We'll see if upcoming episodes feature any clues (like the baseball/fall clues in early Season 3) that give a clearer timeline, but I truly doubt they intend it to pick up in December.

 

[dsethlewis]

I finally finished Part 1 of my MCU edit. Part 1 runs from 2988 BC to 14 June, 1943, lasts about an hour (I'm trying to make all my parts about this length), and includes all content on this timeline except comic adaptations. So Part I alone has content from:

Thor - The Dark World
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 2 episodes
Thor
Agent Carter - 3 episodes
Captain America - The First Avenger: First Vengeance
Captain America - The Winter Soldier
Captain America - The First Avenger

I'd love to get feedback on it so I can correct any mistakes and improve it going forward. If you're willing to take a look at it, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send you the magnet link.

Also, I've already started working on Part 2, which will run from 14 June, 1943 to October, 1943. No promises on when I'll get it out though. I'm trying out a heavier duty video editing program (DaVinci Resolve) because WMM had sever limitations (and bugs!), and it's taking some time to learn. I may just end up going back to WMM...

 

[Donutman]

The Comic adaptation of Iron Man and Iron Man 2 have some extra panels you don't see in the movies. Are you planning to add these as well?

 

[dsethlewis]

The Comic adaptation of Iron Man and Iron Man 2 have some extra panels you don't see in the movies. Are you planning to add these as well?

Yep, I've read all the adaptations and intended to include new material. There are definitely the IM1 and IM2 additions, but I can't recall if there are others. I feel like I remember something new in the Thor one, but I may be confusing that with the TDW Prelude. I should probably read through them again and note any new stuff.

Thanks for the reminder and enjoy the megacut!

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I think you have done great work D. Please understand that I'm not trying to be argumentative. However I believe you are overlooking one important detail. At the end of 3x22 coulson and Mac are chasing daisy on the ground. They've been in that hotel for numerous days. They are on the new directors mission. Then in 4x1 they have been in the air for 6 weeks. They could not have been on the ground chasing daisy for at least 6 weeks since they haven't touched ground. Most likely they were pulled off the daisy case after their failure in 3x22 as they stated that they believed they would be reassigned as they apparently were. To ingnore this is an error in my opinion. Maybe Doctor strange will tighten (or even contradict) the timeline. Maybe it won't. But until such time that more evidence is given I do not believe that this obvious time mark should be ignored.

Again I should stress that you have done an excellent job with this timeline. It's by far the most detailed and accurate one out there. Know my medications are to keep that high standard not to be right. If further evidence shifts this in the timeline so be it.

 

[dsethlewis]

Know my medications are to keep that high standard not to be right. If further evidence shifts this in the timeline so be it.

I haven't watched the end of Season 4 recently enough to argue this point. Both your arguments seem legit to me.

So my only question is...your medications?

 

[Zpdedoda]

I finally finished Part 1 of my MCU edit. Part 1 runs from 2988 BC to 14 June, 1943, lasts about an hour (I'm trying to make all my parts about this length), and includes all content on this timeline except comic adaptations

Pardon my ignorance about the comic section but what is the difference between Captain America - The First Avenger: First Vengeance and the comic adaptions that means it gets included? If you are having everything in 1 hour sections then currently you'd have about 120 sections, in case you wondered (that will go up as soon as Luke Cage comes out)


As for a video editing program, VideoPad Video Editor has served me pretty well

 

[vintsukka]

I think you have done great work D. Please understand that I'm not trying to be argumentative. However I believe you are overlooking one important detail. At the end of 3x22 coulson and Mac are chasing daisy on the ground. They've been in that hotel for numerous days. They are on the new directors mission. Then in 4x1 they have been in the air for 6 weeks. They could not have been on the ground chasing daisy for at least 6 weeks since they haven't touched ground. Most likely they were pulled off the daisy case after their failure in 3x22 as they stated that they believed they would be reassigned as they apparently were. To ingnore this is an error in my opinion. Maybe Doctor strange will tighten (or even contradict) the timeline. Maybe it won't. But until such time that more evidence is given I do not believe that this obvious time mark should be ignored.

Again I should stress that you have done an excellent job with this timeline. It's by far the most detailed and accurate one out there. Know my medications are to keep that high standard not to be right. If further evidence shifts this in the timeline so be it.

"How long has it been?"
"Six weeks in the air. Only the Quinjet touched down."
- May and Coulson

You could argue that what we saw in 3x22 was Coulson and Mac on a Quinjet trip, while the Bus was in the air.

While I think the writers meant there is a 6 week gap between 3x22 and 4x01, it can be argued both ways. Guess we should wait for further proof either way.

 

[dsethlewis]

Pardon my ignorance about the comic section but what is the difference between Captain America - The First Avenger: First Vengeance and the comic adaptions that means it gets included?

First Vengeance is basically the TFA prelude, but it came out before Marvel started calling their prelude comics preludes (FBW was the first and still one of the best). I really enjoyed First Vengeance so I definitely recommend a read.

If you are having everything in 1 hour sections then currently you'd have about 120 sections, in case you wondered (that will go up as soon as Luke Cage comes out)

Oh, I'm well, almost painfully, aware. I've toyed with the possibility of skipping any "pure" sections - i.e., releases that have no flashbacks or overlap with other releases.

There are relatively small sections, like Agent Carter 1x03 - 1x04, and larger sections, like

Agent Carter 2x05 - 2x10
Ant-Man Prelude
possibly Iron Man (only issue is at the end and I don't remember if there actually is anything that will need to be cut together)
Black Widow Strikes
Item 47
Iron Man 3, basically
All Hail the King and Winter Soldier Infinite
Agents of SHIELD 1x01 - 1x07
...and plenty of others,

that can be watched or read straight through without cutting to anything else.

So is it worth my time to chop up three comic books and put them back together in video form? Would anybody want to watch that? I don't know. I could probably throw a title page up that says "Go read Black Widow Strikes. I'll wait. Or skip to [timestamp] to continue watching", put in some soundtrack ("Natalie Intro," "Black Widow Kicks Ass," "Red Ledger," "Lemurian Star," "Natasha," etc. etc.) for 20 minutes, and include a copy of the series in the torrent package. It would probably be more enjoyable and easier for me.

And why chop up a 2 hour movie into three awkward parts? There's no point. It's just a question of where I can add value and where I'm just wasting everyone's time.

But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

As far as overlapping sections and flashbacks, though, I would like to cut those together. That's the whole point! But who knows how much I'll get through before I grow old and die. It's just a fun hobby project, so I'll do as much as I feel like.

As for a video editing program, VideoPad Video Editor has served me pretty well

Yep, I downloaded it. It's my backup in case DaVinci Resolve doesn't work out. I'll admit I chose Resolve over it essentially because Resolve has a beautiful black UI and VideoPad looks like boring open source software. I have no idea which is functionally better.

 

[Zpdedoda]

I've toyed with the possibility of skipping any "pure" sections - i.e., releases that have no flashbacks or overlap with other releases.

There are relatively small sections, like Agent Carter 1x03 - 1x04, and larger sections, like

Agent Carter 2x05 - 2x10
Ant-Man Prelude
possibly Iron Man (only issue is at the end and I don't remember if there actually is anything that will need to be cut together)
Black Widow Strikes
Item 47
Iron Man 3, basically
All Hail the King and Winter Soldier Infinite
Agents of SHIELD 1x01 - 1x07
...and plenty of others,

that can be watched or read straight through without cutting to anything else.

So is it worth my time to chop up three comic books and put them back together in video form? Would anybody want to watch that? I don't know. I could probably throw a title page up that says "Go read Black Widow Strikes. I'll wait. Or skip to [timestamp] to continue watching", put in some soundtrack ("Natalie Intro," "Black Widow Kicks Ass," "Red Ledger," "Lemurian Star," "Natasha," etc. etc.) for 20 minutes, and include a copy of the series in the torrent package. It would probably be more enjoyable and easier for me.

And why chop up a 2 hour movie into three awkward parts? There's no point. It's just a question of where I can add value and where I'm just wasting everyone's time.

But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

As far as overlapping sections and flashbacks, though, I would like to cut those together. That's the whole point! But who knows how much I'll get through before I grow old and die. It's just a fun hobby project, so I'll do as much as I feel like.

With small sections like you have, dealing with the 'pure' sections for the tv shows/films, it would probably be easier by leaving them as they are otherwise, as you said, it would be awkward having something cut into separate parts when it doesn't really need it. How you'd deal with the comics would be up to you and however you felt was best to present it. Because my edits are ~10 hours long each, I've stitched them all together anyway, also I've cut out every single credit and title sequence to make it run smoother so I'd have had to edit every episode anyway.