Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

Rman said:
The fact of the matter is you care more about it than Marvel Studios does. They shot the scene in LA without any care that the weather lined up with the movie. You can have your head canon, but the fact of the matter is this site should follow the book until we have anything that contradicts it in the future.
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Is that a fact or your opinion?
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Is that a fact or your opinion?
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I mean Starvel has made it pretty clear the intention is this site will hold up what the book tells us, unless otherwise stated. It's not like in the scene they say this is "Spring 2025" or whenever you want it to be. The only time that scene is given a hard time frame is the book telling us it's "Fall 2024".
 
Rman said:
I mean Starvel has made it pretty clear the intention is this site will hold up what the book tells us, unless otherwise stated. It's not like in the scene they say this is "Spring 2025" or whenever you want it to be. The only time that scene is given a hard time frame is the book telling us it's "Fall 2024".
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I'm providing on-screen evidence that contradicts the book. What more do you want?
 
Dallas Kinard said:
I'm providing on-screen evidence that contradicts the book. What more do you want?
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A tree isn't evidence. Sometimes weather isn't going to always match (especially when it's from a scene shot in LA) and I've gave other examples. I'll take a hard time frame over what trees look like.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
I'm providing on-screen evidence that contradicts the book. What more do you want?
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You're providing leaves. I'm sorry but an official source from Marvel does not get pushed aside for a background detail like weather which has already proven to be something that is, as you put it, fallible. You're right a book may not always be 100% correct but neither do on screen details always, people are fallible and people are behind both the book and the details seen in a movie. Until such a time as the book, which is the most recent source on the matter, gets retconed by a correction or future release the book is more correct
 
Rman said:
A tree isn't evidence. Sometimes weather isn't going to always match and I've gave other examples. I'll take a hard time frame over what trees look like.
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This is where we hard disagree. Anything can be evidence of timeline placement. You are just being arbitrary about it and cherry picking what you determine to be "evidence".
 
Starvel said:
You're providing leaves. I'm sorry but an official source from Marvel does not get pushed aside for a background detail like weather which has already proven to be something that is, as you put it, fallible. You're right a book may not always be 100% correct but neither do on screen details always, people are fallible and people are behind both the book and the details seen in a movie. Until such a time as the book, which is the most recent source on the matter, gets retconed by a correction or future release the book is more correct
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This is still your opinion. I think it should be framed as "whatever you choose to go with". It's not as settled as people on here are acting like it is.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
This is where we hard disagree. Anything can be evidence of timeline placement. You are just being arbitrary about it and cherry picking what you determine to be "evidence".
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Says the guy wanting to ignore the only time frame Marvel Studios has actually given for the scene, but i'll digress.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
This is still your opinion. I think it should be framed as "whatever you choose to go with". It's not as settled as people on here are acting like it is.
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We are choosing to go with an official source book by the studio. You are choosing to go with a background detail. You are picking and choosing what is more correct as anyone else here.
 
Rman said:
Says the guy wanting to ignore the only time frame Marvel Studios has actually given for the scene, but i'll digress.
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I don't want to ignore it. The "leaves" I'm providing IS evidence. It may not be evidence you agree with, but it's evidence nonetheless. You are appealing to authority, which is a fallacy.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
I don't want to ignore it. The "leaves" I'm providing IS evidence. It may not be evidence you agree with, but it's evidence nonetheless. You are appealing to authority, which is a fallacy.
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It's evidence that I believe is trumped by the book. Let's just agree to disagree because you clearly aren't going to change your mind.
 
Starvel said:
We are choosing to go with an official source book by the studio. You are choosing to go with a background detail. You are picking and choosing what is more correct as anyone else here.
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And official sources can be wrong. I'm also watching the film myself, which is official too. In fact, I'd argue the films are more "official" than tie-in material. On-screen evidence nearly always trumps everything else. Your statement really just makes us equal if anything. We are both going with official sources, you are just choosing to ignore on-screen evidence in favor of what a tie-in book says.
 
Rman said:
It's evidence that I believe is trumped by the book. Let's just agree to disagree because you clearly aren't going to change your mind.
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It's evidence that I believe trumps the book. Let's just agree to disagree because you clearly aren't going to change your mind.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
And official sources can be wrong. I'm also watching the film myself, which is official too. In fact, I'd argue the films are more "official" than tie-in material. On-screen evidence nearly always trumps everything else. Your statement really just makes us equal if anything. We are both going with official sources, you are just choosing to ignore on-screen evidence in favor of what a tie-in book says.
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Films can be wrong too. Especially with a universe as interconnected as this somethings the small details don't like up with the broader universe and background details, while yes are evidence, are not alone the deciding factor in a placement ever. Especially when another official source provides a direct statement on placement. If these were two background details yes I'd agree there's more debate as to which should be considered correct. In this instance the Timeline book provides the most recent and official placement for that specific scene. We are not ignoring the evidence, it's still evidence, there is just different more specific evidence that disagrees.
 
Starvel said:
Films can be wrong too. Especially with a universe as interconnected as this somethings the small details don't like up with the broader universe and background details, while yes are evidence, are not alone the deciding factor in a placement ever. Especially when another official source provides a direct statement on placement. If these were two background details yes I'd agree there's more debate as to which should be considered correct. In this instance the Timeline book provides the most recent and official placement for that specific scene. We are not ignoring the evidence, it's still evidence, there is just different more specific evidence that disagrees.
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So we agree that official sources can be wrong. Cool. I'm going with on-screen evidence on this one, you're not. Cool.
 
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