Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

myusernameyes said:
some books can contain numerous mistakes, so saying they're 100% right is wrong in itself
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The book is literally backed by the company making the movies. I'm pretty sure we can trust that this is where they see that scene taking place. I mean if there was anything contradictory within the scene, then I'd question it but there isn't. The trees are that way because it was shot in LA later than the rest of the movie. That doesn't mean it's meant to take place months after.
 
myusernameyes said:
mistakes like misnamings and mislabelings end up in there occasionally, so i don't see how something so crucial as timeline mistakes can't be there
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Typos are not the same as incorrect facts in a books specifically about giving those facts. And until such a time as retcon or correction happens, because those do happen, the book remains an official placement by Marvel Studios.
 
eloesch289 said:
yea stuff like this is always in flux, they could easily say in a later movie that that scene happens later now
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There's no reason to though. If they weren't sure on it being Fall 2024, I doubt they would have placed it there in the first place.
 
Rman said:
And I explained why it has to be overlooked, just like we have to with the scene of Yelena and Val in Black Widow.
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No, they don't HAVE to be overlooked, you are just choosing to overlook them because you think the MCU book is free of the possibility of any errors. Others, myself included, disagree and think that on-screen evidence often trumps all else.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
No, they don't HAVE to be overlooked, you are just choosing to overlook them because you think the MCU book is free of the possibility of any errors. Others, myself included, disagree and think that on-screen evidence often trumps all else.
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There's absolutely nothing within the scene that says the book is wrong. If it wasn't Fall 2024, I don't see why Marvel Studios would have placed it as such. And in a fictional universe this kind of stuff happens. Black Panther is set around June/July 2016. However, scenes outside of Wakanda look more like late Winter/early Spring because that's when the movie was shot. Weather can be a helpful tool when making placements, but it isn't the go all when there's other evidence like a book sanctioned by Marvel Studios.
 
Rman said:
There's absolutely nothing within the scene that says the book is wrong. If it wasn't Fall 2024, I don't see why Marvel Studios would have placed it as such. And in a fictional universe this kind of stuff happens. Black Panther is set around June/July 2016. However, scenes outside of Wakanda look more like late Winter/early Spring because that's when the movie was shot. Weather can be a helpful tool when making placements, but it isn't the go all when there's other evidence like a book sanctioned by Marvel Studios.
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So you don't believe a book written by fallible humans can be wrong?

Edit: The weather does say that the book is wrong. Trees don't go from Orange to Green.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
So you don't believe a book written by fallible humans can be wrong?
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If I had a belief there was anything saying the placement was wrong, sure. But, I don't. I've already gave other times weather doesn't line up. And given this scene was shot later on in a backlot in an area known for warmer climate, I can overlook it.

Trees don't go from orange to green, but if you want to go by the wiki dates Iron Fist has Spring/Summer weather in February and cooler Fall/Winter weather in May, which to me is a bigger issue.
 
Rman said:
If I had a belief there was anything saying the placement was wrong, sure. But, I don't. I've already gave other times weather doesn't line up. And given this scene was shot later on in a backlot in an area known for warmer climate, I can overlook it.
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Ok but we have to take each movie/scene individually. There isn't one rule that can be applied to everything equally. In this case, there is nothing saying that the scene can't be set a year later. Nothing at all.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Ok but we have to take each movie/scene individually. There isn't one rule that can be applied to everything equally. In this case, there is nothing saying that the scene can't be set a year later. Nothing at all.
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Except for the closest thing we have as an official source which is the book. Until we get anything that contradicts that, I choose to go with that source and feel the site should too. I mean you might as well ignore everything the book says if you can't trust this one little thing because you don't personally like where it's placed.
 
Rman said:
Except for the closest thing we have as an official source which is the book. Until we get anything that contradicts that, I choose to go with that source and feel the site should too. I mean you might as well ignore everything the book says if you can't trust this one little thing because you don't personally like where it's placed.
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Why would I throw out the entire book because of one possible error? Why jump to such extremes? I think this is one example of the book being wrong. That doesn't mean the book is ALWAYS wrong.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Why would I throw out the entire book because of one possible error? Why jump to such extremes? I think this is one example of the book being wrong. That doesn't mean the book is ALWAYS wrong.
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I think it's extreme to assume everything but this one placement is right. You put the same emphasis on the weather in the Black Widow credit scene before accepting it had to be December 2024, so I can't see why you can't do the same here. I'm not saying down the line they couldn't change when Strange meets Clea if they wanted to (I doubt they would) but for right now the most concrete thing we have is an official source dating it.
 
Rman said:
I think it's extreme to assume everything but this one placement is right. You put the same emphasis on the weather in the Black Widow credit scene before accepting it had to be December 2024, so I can't see why you can't do the same here. I'm not saying down the line they couldn't change when Strange meets Clea if they wanted to (I doubt they would) but for right now the most concrete thing we have is an official source dating it.
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I never did accept that BW placement. It's CLEARLY spring, which means the book is incorrect unless there is specific story evidence that would 100% place it in December.

I also never assumed everything but one thing is wrong. My stance is the book is likely correct on most things. But, as with all books, humans make mistakes and errors can happen. That is why revisions and updated editions exist, to correct mistakes.

To YOU the most concrete thing we have is when the book decided to place the scene. But if we watch the film itself and pay attention to on-screen evidence, it's obvious that it's not late fall/early winter since leaves don't go from dead to alive within a few days. That IS concrete evidence.
 
My headcanon is that the MOM mid credits scene has to take place a few days after the events of the film so as to explain why Dr strange didn't help Wong in she hulk which is summer 2025, I put it in early December which isn't ideal but hey it works
 
FruityWho50 said:
My headcanon is that the MOM mid credits scene has to take place a few days after the events of the film so as to explain why Dr strange didn't help Wong in she hulk which is summer 2025, I put it in early December which isn't ideal but hey it works
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And my "head-canon" is that the scene must occur the following Autumn to account for the leaves going from dead/missing to lush and green within a few days.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
I never did accept that BW placement. It's CLEARLY spring, which means the book is incorrect unless there is specific story evidence that would 100% place it in December.

I also never assumed everything but one thing is wrong. My stance is the book is likely correct on most things. But, as with all books, humans make mistakes and errors can happen. That is why revisions and updated editions exist, to correct mistakes.

To YOU the most concrete thing we have is when the book decided to place the scene. But if we watch the film itself and pay attention to on-screen evidence, it's obvious that it's not late fall/early winter since leaves don't go from dead to alive within a few days. That IS concrete evidence.
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The fact of the matter is you care more about it than Marvel Studios does. They shot the scene in LA without any care that the weather lined up with the movie. You can have your head canon, but the fact of the matter is this site should follow the book until we have anything that contradicts it in the future.
 
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