Dr.Strangefate
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
If it isn't, I don't think I can possibly care as much.
If it isn't, I don't think I can possibly care as much.
James Bond: Quantum of Solace (spoilers involved)
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
Seriously, I'd love for them to revamp stuff like Blofield and SPECTRE and make them scary again.
Seriously, I'd love for them to revamp stuff like Blofield and SPECTRE and make them scary again.
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
I don't like the title that much because its kinda odd to say. But I don't mind. And the funny things is when you say "That actually makes sense" Daniel Craig suggested the title because most other titles had the words like blood and kill which didn't seem right. And he says that Bond titles don't usually matter, their not always that important
I don't like the title that much because its kinda odd to say. But I don't mind. And the funny things is when you say "That actually makes sense" Daniel Craig suggested the title because most other titles had the words like blood and kill which didn't seem right. And he says that Bond titles don't usually matter, their not always that important
Dr.Strangefate
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
The chance for an amazing Blofeld revamp, giving Bond an amazing Archenemy, somebody bigger than he is, whom he tries to defeat time and time again.... That's what I'm looking for. That's what made the hair on the back of my neck stand up in those final moments of Casino Royale when you first understand the nature of the organization, and hear the Bond theme for the first time.
The chance for an amazing Blofeld revamp, giving Bond an amazing Archenemy, somebody bigger than he is, whom he tries to defeat time and time again.... That's what I'm looking for. That's what made the hair on the back of my neck stand up in those final moments of Casino Royale when you first understand the nature of the organization, and hear the Bond theme for the first time.
Planet-man
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
I haven't read any reviews yet, but I think one of my new things is going to be predicting RottenTomatoes reviewer soundbites based on completely superficial factors.
"As silly and uncomprehensible as its title"
Hmm, this is fun...
"Changeling needs to change into a better movie"
"The only thing "curious" here is how this dud was given the greenlight"
"DullNAwkward"
I haven't read any reviews yet, but I think one of my new things is going to be predicting RottenTomatoes reviewer soundbites based on completely superficial factors.
"As silly and uncomprehensible as its title"
Hmm, this is fun...
"Changeling needs to change into a better movie"
"The only thing "curious" here is how this dud was given the greenlight"
"DullNAwkward"
Gothamite
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
The reason it isn't is because the producers don't have the rights to Blofeld, Spectre, or any James Bond movie involving the abduction of a nuclear vessel.
Here's why.
Even so, I'd say the producers probably thought SPECTRE was a bit silly as a name for an evil organisation in the 2000s. I reckon they develop a character similar to Blofeld (such as Strangefate was describing) to make up for it.
As for the movie, I enjoyed it a lot in the context of the more Fleming-like stories and Casino Royale, but I can absolutely understand why people aren't enjoying it and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't nearly as successful. The exact same thing happened in the eighties when Timothy Dalton took over. Everyone loved The Living Daylights and praised Dalton's darker, grittier performance. But when Licence to Kill came out and was ultra-dark to the max, with very little similarities to any of the films other than The Living Daylights, people didn't respond to it and it tanked. Six years later we get Brosnan, with puns and gadgets galore.
I'd give it an 8/10
The reason it isn't is because the producers don't have the rights to Blofeld, Spectre, or any James Bond movie involving the abduction of a nuclear vessel.
Here's why.
Even so, I'd say the producers probably thought SPECTRE was a bit silly as a name for an evil organisation in the 2000s. I reckon they develop a character similar to Blofeld (such as Strangefate was describing) to make up for it.
As for the movie, I enjoyed it a lot in the context of the more Fleming-like stories and Casino Royale, but I can absolutely understand why people aren't enjoying it and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't nearly as successful. The exact same thing happened in the eighties when Timothy Dalton took over. Everyone loved The Living Daylights and praised Dalton's darker, grittier performance. But when Licence to Kill came out and was ultra-dark to the max, with very little similarities to any of the films other than The Living Daylights, people didn't respond to it and it tanked. Six years later we get Brosnan, with puns and gadgets galore.
I'd give it an 8/10
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Bass
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
So long as you're willing to admit that.
It's either SPECTRE or "Quantum". Unfortunately, the scene where Quantum is explained isn't actually IN THE ****ING MOVIE and as a result, I'm thinking it might be the resource Greene is after.
So long as you're willing to admit that.
Dr.Strangefate
He Sees You When You're Sleeping. He Knows When Yo
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
I just watched the trailer for this again... I gots to admit, I'm still pretty pumped...
And for all the naysayers I've been nay-saying all this time, the third Craig-Bond film should introduce Q and Moneypenny.
I just watched the trailer for this again... I gots to admit, I'm still pretty pumped...
And for all the naysayers I've been nay-saying all this time, the third Craig-Bond film should introduce Q and Moneypenny.
Bass
Nexus of the World
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
There's actually a Moneypenny type character in QOS called "Fields". She's also really quite good.
There's actually a Moneypenny type character in QOS called "Fields". She's also really quite good.
Dr.Strangefate
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
I mean real Moneypenny. Bond's secretary who happens to have the awesome surname Moneypenny.
I mean real Moneypenny. Bond's secretary who happens to have the awesome surname Moneypenny.
Gothamite
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
The Sun reported recently that Daniel Craig stated that the producers are bringing back Moneypenny for the next movie, with several actresses such as Sienna Miller, Keira Knightley and Billie Piper up for the role.
If this is true (which it might well not be, given the Sun's reputation) I'd love Piper to play her. She has the perfect, 'girl-next-door-who-you'd-still-give-up-your-life-to-bang' look about her and she's quite a decent actress.
The Sun reported recently that Daniel Craig stated that the producers are bringing back Moneypenny for the next movie, with several actresses such as Sienna Miller, Keira Knightley and Billie Piper up for the role.
If this is true (which it might well not be, given the Sun's reputation) I'd love Piper to play her. She has the perfect, 'girl-next-door-who-you'd-still-give-up-your-life-to-bang' look about her and she's quite a decent actress.
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Planet-man
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
If Keira Knightley gets cast as Moneypenny I'm kicking her in the leg with a poison-tipped shoe.
If Keira Knightley gets cast as Moneypenny I'm kicking her in the leg with a poison-tipped shoe.
Dr.Strangefate
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
Keira Knightly is too A-List to get cast as a bit-player like Moneypenny.
But still, Moneypenny and Q. That's all I ask.
Keira Knightly is too A-List to get cast as a bit-player like Moneypenny.
But still, Moneypenny and Q. That's all I ask.
Planet-man
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
I wouldn't say anybody's too A-List to be cast as anything in a big movie. A-listers randomly play bit-parts in things like this all the time, and it's the height of Hollywood hip to be in a Bond movie, especially if she gets some flashy press about the huge paycheck she got for 15 minutes of screentime. I'd say a more likely reason she isn't in it would be that she wants to evolve into a more respected serious actress although I haven't seen much evidence to say that in the meantime.
I wouldn't say anybody's too A-List to be cast as anything in a big movie. A-listers randomly play bit-parts in things like this all the time, and it's the height of Hollywood hip to be in a Bond movie, especially if she gets some flashy press about the huge paycheck she got for 15 minutes of screentime. I'd say a more likely reason she isn't in it would be that she wants to evolve into a more respected serious actress although I haven't seen much evidence to say that in the meantime.
Ice
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
Please, no mentioning of hurting/killing people. This is something E has asked us not to do anymore.
Please, no mentioning of hurting/killing people. This is something E has asked us not to do anymore.
Random
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Ice
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Bass
Nexus of the World
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
There is a problem with both Moneypenny and Q.
The problem with Moneypenny is she's the secretary/assistant to M except (the current incarnation) James Bond doesn't go anywhere NEAR MI6 or any place where he'd NEED to encounter a secretary. He's completely off the radar. That said, there was a administrive assistant (Manning?) in Quantum of Solace and that could EASILY have been Moneypenny. So it's not impossible by any means.
The problem with Q is more... problematic, I suppose. Q is completely redundant now. Back when Connery and Moore were Bond, he'd be given this CRAZY gadget like a camera that's also a PHONE (I know, crazy right?!) and Q would explain how it works. The problem is that all those wacky gadgets... we actually have those bastards now. Q's redundant because - this is what the scene would be like:
Q: Ah, Bond. So glad you could make it an hour late.
Bond: Only an hour? I've beaten my own record. You should be proud.
Q: And you shouldn't take me for granted. One of these days, you'll be in need of my remote controlled appliances, and you won't have it because you couldn't be bothered to be punctual. Next time, no matter what I give you, I should stick a clock in it.
*looks at a small handheld device*
Bond: Is this for me, Q?
Q: Yes, Bond. Now be very careful. It's a prototype. It's a camera that also has a global satellite positioning coordinate in it.
Bond: ... And?
Q: You can also write and send messages to anyone meaning you don't actually have to speak to them. Should come in handy when stealth is needed!
Bond: Keep going.
Q: And, ah, it has a schedule organiser built in and oh, it can connect to our vast computer datanet at a transfer speed of 5 megabytes per second.
Bond: What else?
Q: It can contain up to 3 gigabytes of photos and music.
Bond: ...
Q: It's also a phone.
Bond: This is an iPhone. I have one.
Q: But if you turn it on it's side...
Bond: The display changes, yes, I know. I know how to use this. Everyone does. It's a mobile phone.
Q: ... It has a clock in it.
Die Another Day tried to keep Q (or rather R) relevant by making him John Cleese (awesome) and giving him LUDICROUS gadgets like a ****ing invisible car. An invisible car is far to sci-fi for Bond and also, ****ing stupid. What's a key sequence of Bond? The car chase. What's a stupid thing to do? Make the car INVISIBLE so you CAN'T SEE THE CAR CHASE. That's like setting all the action fights in a pitch-black environment.
The truth is, Bond STILL has his awesome gadgets. In Casino Royale he had the defibrillator thing in the glove box, and, as I've said he has a mobile phone. Mobile phones are INCREDIBLE TECH. Seriously. Kirk's communicator in Star Trek is obsolete by today's standards. Hell, some MILITARY GRADE communications equipment is less effective than a mobile phone (honestly - in Afghanistan British troops used their mobile phones instead of the military radio because it was more reliable). In Quantum of Solace you see surface computers and an incredible camera (it's also a phone, I bet) that can create composites of the face of person from a single action. The problem is that these things are so within our current level of technology that the audience knows how it works, Bond knows how it works, and the whole "Q explains what kick-*** gadgets Bond has" scene is now completely redundant. So Q just isn't necessary anymore, because if you DO give Bond gadgets that need explanation he goes into the realm of science-fiction and because of our current technological development, it just becomes ridiculous and especially so in the current Craig-Bond which is trying to be less and less far-fetched. Brosnan-Bond managed to keep the tradition going for Goldeneye, but it was less successful on each subsequent film he made up to Die Another Day which has James Bond driving an invisible car while fighting a man in a suit of cybernetic armour shooting a gigantic laser from a low orbit.
So Q... needs a bit of a change. Making him a techie who fixes or keeps things going is a possibility. He just needs to completely change from his previous "expository dump" tool that he was.
There is a problem with both Moneypenny and Q.
The problem with Moneypenny is she's the secretary/assistant to M except (the current incarnation) James Bond doesn't go anywhere NEAR MI6 or any place where he'd NEED to encounter a secretary. He's completely off the radar. That said, there was a administrive assistant (Manning?) in Quantum of Solace and that could EASILY have been Moneypenny. So it's not impossible by any means.
The problem with Q is more... problematic, I suppose. Q is completely redundant now. Back when Connery and Moore were Bond, he'd be given this CRAZY gadget like a camera that's also a PHONE (I know, crazy right?!) and Q would explain how it works. The problem is that all those wacky gadgets... we actually have those bastards now. Q's redundant because - this is what the scene would be like:
Q: Ah, Bond. So glad you could make it an hour late.
Bond: Only an hour? I've beaten my own record. You should be proud.
Q: And you shouldn't take me for granted. One of these days, you'll be in need of my remote controlled appliances, and you won't have it because you couldn't be bothered to be punctual. Next time, no matter what I give you, I should stick a clock in it.
*looks at a small handheld device*
Bond: Is this for me, Q?
Q: Yes, Bond. Now be very careful. It's a prototype. It's a camera that also has a global satellite positioning coordinate in it.
Bond: ... And?
Q: You can also write and send messages to anyone meaning you don't actually have to speak to them. Should come in handy when stealth is needed!
Bond: Keep going.
Q: And, ah, it has a schedule organiser built in and oh, it can connect to our vast computer datanet at a transfer speed of 5 megabytes per second.
Bond: What else?
Q: It can contain up to 3 gigabytes of photos and music.
Bond: ...
Q: It's also a phone.
Bond: This is an iPhone. I have one.
Q: But if you turn it on it's side...
Bond: The display changes, yes, I know. I know how to use this. Everyone does. It's a mobile phone.
Q: ... It has a clock in it.
Die Another Day tried to keep Q (or rather R) relevant by making him John Cleese (awesome) and giving him LUDICROUS gadgets like a ****ing invisible car. An invisible car is far to sci-fi for Bond and also, ****ing stupid. What's a key sequence of Bond? The car chase. What's a stupid thing to do? Make the car INVISIBLE so you CAN'T SEE THE CAR CHASE. That's like setting all the action fights in a pitch-black environment.
The truth is, Bond STILL has his awesome gadgets. In Casino Royale he had the defibrillator thing in the glove box, and, as I've said he has a mobile phone. Mobile phones are INCREDIBLE TECH. Seriously. Kirk's communicator in Star Trek is obsolete by today's standards. Hell, some MILITARY GRADE communications equipment is less effective than a mobile phone (honestly - in Afghanistan British troops used their mobile phones instead of the military radio because it was more reliable). In Quantum of Solace you see surface computers and an incredible camera (it's also a phone, I bet) that can create composites of the face of person from a single action. The problem is that these things are so within our current level of technology that the audience knows how it works, Bond knows how it works, and the whole "Q explains what kick-*** gadgets Bond has" scene is now completely redundant. So Q just isn't necessary anymore, because if you DO give Bond gadgets that need explanation he goes into the realm of science-fiction and because of our current technological development, it just becomes ridiculous and especially so in the current Craig-Bond which is trying to be less and less far-fetched. Brosnan-Bond managed to keep the tradition going for Goldeneye, but it was less successful on each subsequent film he made up to Die Another Day which has James Bond driving an invisible car while fighting a man in a suit of cybernetic armour shooting a gigantic laser from a low orbit.
So Q... needs a bit of a change. Making him a techie who fixes or keeps things going is a possibility. He just needs to completely change from his previous "expository dump" tool that he was.
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Planet-man
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Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace
Sigh.... Q's gonna be a sass-talking asian guy in his 20s who speaks in Cockney Rhyming Slang, isn't he?:|
Sigh.... Q's gonna be a sass-talking asian guy in his 20s who speaks in Cockney Rhyming Slang, isn't he?:|
