Heroes seasons 1 & 2 series discussion [spoilers]

[darkspider]

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Well, Sylar was painting it too. Albeit poorly.

BIZZARO ISSAC!

Oh, here's a great site for the show.

http://heroeswiki.com

 

[darkspider]

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Well, Sylar was painting it too. Albeit poorly.

Also, if his powers just activate at random like that, why WOULDN'T the super hearing, freezing, molecule manipulation, etc activate just as randomly?

i think that can be answered because Peter has to remember how he felt about them.

I just thought of something about Sylar. He has infused himself with many other powers, right? Well, now they are his. Basicaly, that answers the TK. it's Sylar's power now, though it isnt his original one

This is from heroeswiki on Peter's power:

Peter possesses an empathic ability that has multiple effects.

One aspect of his power is the ability to duplicate or "absorb" the powers of other evolved humans near him. At present he has only absorbed powers that have been exercised in his presence, and he has not yet demonstrated unexercised powers of those he has come near. The exact range at which this occurs is not known, but the distance at which he can mimic the power of Claude is just several meters. He is able to duplicate Claude's ability almost immediately upon coming within range. Whether the maximum distance and minimum time is the same to mimic any power is uncertain. However, in Don't Look Back, Peter shows traces of Isaac's precognition the day after accompanying Simone to Isaac's apartment. This suggests some variability in his ability to use different powers outside of close proximity to the person being mimicked. Peter's control over other powers that he mimics varies; powers that require active concentration seem to be more difficult for him to manifest or control. Peter seems to absorb powers involuntarily, but he may not be aware of absorbing a power that requires active concentration to use.

In Distractions, Peter discovered the ability to recall a power (regeneration) that he had absorbed weeks before. He has since reproduced at least four other powers — flight, invisibility, space-time manipulation, and telekinesis — without the original holder of the power being nearby.

Peter sometimes has dreams involving other people that coincide with important events in their lives. He had a dream about Charles Deveaux at the time of his death, and he dreamed that Nathan was in trouble at the time of his automobile accident. He has even seen people that he hasn't even met in his visions, including Niki Sanders, Micah Sanders, D.L. Hawkins, and Claude Rains. Some of his visions appear to predict future events, but his predictive accuracy is uncertain, and may be a result of his having absorbed Isaac's precognitive powers. It is also possible, however, that Peter's dreams are not related to his mimicry, but are actually another ability he has absorbed without realizing it

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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It seems like they've gone and turned people with powers into mutants in every way but name.

 

[Willverine]

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Episode 20 was HARSH! I've enjoyed pretty much every episode of this show so far but this one takes the prize. I liked the "Days of Future Past" vibe of the episode and while it answered a few questions, it also brought up some new ones.

Did anyone else notice that in the panel of the comic that Hiro was using as a guide, that he was stabbing Nathan instead of Sylar? The shirt cuffs and the hair were dead giveaways.

Supposedly next episode, we'll see the return of Molly Walker, the little girl that Sylar couldn't get to early in the series. In the Canadian preview for the next episode, Eric Roberts' character says that she's the only one who can stop Sylar. Should be interesting. Jack Coleman (Bennet) also did a recent interview where he said fans should expect a "battle royal" in the season finale.

This show just keeps getting better.

Episode gets an 11 out of 5. This one goes to 11.

 

[DIrishB]

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Episode 20 was HARSH! I've enjoyed pretty much every episode of this show so far but this one takes the prize. I liked the "Days of Future Past" vibe of the episode and while it answered a few questions, it also brought up some new ones.

Did anyone else notice that in the panel of the comic that Hiro was using as a guide, that he was stabbing Nathan instead of Sylar? The shirt cuffs and the hair were dead giveaways.

Um, well, you do remember that the Future Nathan was revealed to be Sylar in this episode, right? So, doesn't it stand to reason its probably still Sylar in the comic panel, just with the form of Nathan? This means Sylar probably absorbs the ability of that shape-shifting chick who works for the company (the one who pretended to be Bennet's wife to trick him, and Nikki to trick Micah into helping Linderman) sometime soon, before the bomb goes off.

Supposedly next episode, we'll see the return of Molly Walker, the little girl that Sylar couldn't get to early in the series. In the Canadian preview for the next episode, Eric Roberts' character says that she's the only one who can stop Sylar. Should be interesting. Jack Coleman (Bennet) also did a recent interview where he said fans should expect a "battle royal" in the season finale.

Yeah, the Molly chick is shaping up to play an important role.

 

[Willverine]

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Um, well, you do remember that the Future Nathan was revealed to be Sylar in this episode, right? So, doesn't it stand to reason its probably still Sylar in the comic panel, just with the form of Nathan? This means Sylar probably absorbs the ability of that shape-shifting chick who works for the company (the one who pretended to be Bennet's wife to trick him, and Nikki to trick Micah into helping Linderman) sometime soon, before the bomb goes off.

There are so many possibilities after watching this last episode, it's really hard to know. After Future Hiro got shot, I thought for sure that Future Sylar/Nathan would steal his power... which is still a possibility, and use it to go back five years and finish his "work" early, so to speak.

Yeah, the Molly chick is shaping up to play an important role.

I'm just wondering what her power is that makes her the only person who can actually stop Sylar. I figured Peter would be the one to do that, or Hiro (which I thought would work and be a bit of poetic justice, especially if Hiro used his sword to cut the top part of Sylar's head off... then I remembered, Sylar can melt things by touch now). I'm predicting she'll have a power similar to Rogue... though I think something else would be cool (drawing a picture of Sylar dead and he drops dead, for example). Maybe something more sinister and powerful, though... I started thinking that maybe the reason she was untouched during her first appearance is that perhaps she actually SCARED Sylar away after he killed her parents (which could've very well been Primatech plants).

Again, it's just getting better all the time.

 

[Joe Kalicki]

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Another great episode. Sylar as Nathan = best reveal ever.

 

[DIrishB]

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There are so many possibilities after watching this last episode, it's really hard to know. After Future Hiro got shot, I thought for sure that Future Sylar/Nathan would steal his power... which is still a possibility, and use it to go back five years and finish his "work" early, so to speak.

True, but what I posted seems like the most likely explanation, given the evidence we've gotten so far from the show and comic.

I'm just wondering what her power is that makes her the only person who can actually stop Sylar. I figured Peter would be the one to do that, or Hiro (which I thought would work and be a bit of poetic justice, especially if Hiro used his sword to cut the top part of Sylar's head off... then I remembered, Sylar can melt things by touch now). I'm predicting she'll have a power similar to Rogue... though I think something else would be cool (drawing a picture of Sylar dead and he drops dead, for example). Maybe something more sinister and powerful, though... I started thinking that maybe the reason she was untouched during her first appearance is that perhaps she actually SCARED Sylar away after he killed her parents (which could've very well been Primatech plants).

Again, it's just getting better all the time.

I've been wondering and thinking the same thing. I wonder if she was planned from the beginning of the season to play an important role later on, or if the writers just found a convenient way of surprising the audience.

Another great episode. Sylar as Nathan = best reveal ever.

Definitly. That scene was great!

 

[darkspider]

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There are so many possibilities after watching this last episode, it's really hard to know. After Future Hiro got shot, I thought for sure that Future Sylar/Nathan would steal his power... which is still a possibility, and use it to go back five years and finish his "work" early, so to speak.

no, I don't think we'll see any more of the future, at least for this season. remember, if they stop the explosion in a different way, that future might not come to exist.

I'm just wondering what her power is that makes her the only person who can actually stop Sylar. I figured Peter would be the one to do that, or Hiro (which I thought would work and be a bit of poetic justice, especially if Hiro used his sword to cut the top part of Sylar's head off... then I remembered, Sylar can melt things by touch now). I'm predicting she'll have a power similar to Rogue... though I think something else would be cool (drawing a picture of Sylar dead and he drops dead, for example). Maybe something more sinister and powerful, though... I started thinking that maybe the reason she was untouched during her first appearance is that perhaps she actually SCARED Sylar away after he killed her parents (which could've very well been Primatech plants).

Again, it's just getting better all the time.

no, peter's is the closet to rogue's. I think it has to do with something else. What can stop Sylar, who can 'see how things work'? Perhaps she can deaden a person senses? Make them blind, deaf and mute? If Sylar can't see, he won't know how to cut her brain. If he's deaf, he can't use super hearing.

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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Its interesting because this episode made me realize that the 'Save The Cheerleader, Save The World' prophecy never was intended to relate to the explosion. The point was to stop Sylar getting Claire's power, so that Hiro could kill him, and stop the future where he assumed Nathan's identity from happening, even if Future Hiro wasn't actually aware of it.


I am getting more and more convinced the explosion will still happen.

Is it me or was Sylar painting the 'monster Nathan' president last week forshadowing of this weeks twist?

 

[DIrishB]

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no, peter's is the closet to rogue's. I think it has to do with something else. What can stop Sylar, who can 'see how things work'? Perhaps she can deaden a person senses? Make them blind, deaf and mute? If Sylar can't see, he won't know how to cut her brain. If he's deaf, he can't use super hearing.

Good thoughts.

Its interesting because this episode made me realize that the 'Save The Cheerleader, Save The World' prophecy never was intended to relate to the explosion. The point was to stop Sylar getting Claire's power, so that Hiro could kill him, and stop the future where he assumed Nathan's identity from happening, even if Future Hiro wasn't actually aware of it.


I am getting more and more convinced the explosion will still happen.

Maybe. I'm expecting something no one has exactly theorized...only because this show's good at keeping the viewers on the edge of their seat.

Is it me or was Sylar painting the 'monster Nathan' president last week forshadowing of this weeks twist?

Probably.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

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Future Peter kicks ***!!!!

I wish we could have seen the final battle between Peter and Sylar in the future...

 

[Bass]

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Another great episode. Sylar as Nathan = best reveal ever.

Totally. I watched it with two friends.

We all yelled a lot and held each other in fear.

Its interesting because this episode made me realize that the 'Save The Cheerleader, Save The World' prophecy never was intended to relate to the explosion. The point was to stop Sylar getting Claire's power, so that Hiro could kill him, and stop the future where he assumed Nathan's identity from happening, even if Future Hiro wasn't actually aware of it.

I am getting more and more convinced the explosion will still happen.

This is why you're Grand Poobah. You are absolutely correct.

See, Hiro's ****ed.

Sylar was never the bomb. But Hiro doesn't know this. Even if Hiro succeeds in killing Sylar, he won't stop the bomb. That said, it's possible the future will still be better post-bomb because Sylar won't be the president. But, as Sylar said, Nathan had already turned against his kind before Sylar killed him... so maybe not.

This is however the big thing - stopping Sylar and stopping the bomb are two separate, but linked goals. And this is ultimately why Hiro will always fail - changing the past only works if you have omniscience of past events. Future Hiro thought he did, but because he's wrong, he can't guarantee the future he wants.

Also - let's get into Hiro's powers.

If we recall, Hiro can change the future. There is no way Ando will be called on November 8th and say, "I have not seen Hiro Nakamura in 5 weeks." We know this because Ando and Hiro have been road tripping across the US and because Ando is supposed to die in the explosion.

Hiro can change the future.

But he can't change the past.

Whenever Hiro travels back in time to change the past he fails, as he did with the waitress Charlie. And Future Hiro failed to change the past.

See, he says he couldn't kill Sylar and thus, stop the bomb, because he had regeneration. But the Future Hiro HAD to be wrong. Because Sylar couldn't have had regeneration because Claire was still alive. He didn't know. He didn't know that Peter was the bomb. Future Hiro got it wrong. Future Hiro telling Peter to save the cheerleader is the event that causes this future. It's pre-destination. Hiro can't change the past. He never has been able to.

See - when Future Hiro went, "If I go back here and tell Peter to save Claire, it's all ok" he did that because he thought Sylar was the bomb. He was wrong in his assumptions, and when he told Peter to save Claire, he didn't de-rail the future at all. It continued on its merry way.

But Hiro can change the future. When Hiro jumps to the future, he sees the future that exists if he never jumps. We've seen this is how his power works already. So when he jumps back, he can alter it, simply by having seen the future (much like Isaac). But he can't change the past since that would prevent him from existing and thus, changing the past.

Does this make sense?

As simple as I can - Hiro can't change the past, but can change the future, releative to his 'present'. 2007 Hiro can change any events 2008 onwards, but not 2006 and before. 2012 Hiro can change events 2013 onwards but not 2011 and before. Future Hiro was wrong, and Peter will still go boom and Sylar will become president. Present Hiro can stop Sylar by killing him, but he can't stop the bomb since he doesn't know it's Peter.

But there are two flaws with this -

1) How come Peter has a scar? If Claire did indeed die in the first place, then Peter wouldn't have regeneration and thus - he'd have a scar. But Claire didn't die. She's alive in the future. Which means Peter saved her. Which means, he has regeneration, which means he shouldn't have a scar.

2) How did Sylar heal himself and survive his confrontation with Hiro? The only possible explanation other than Hiro simply didn't deal a killing blow is this - Linderman healed him.

And then we have the "Linderman Act"... does Linderman know Sylar exists and does he actually want him to take over from Nathan? Or has Sylar eaten Linderman's brains by that point and healed himself?

And how did Parkman not know Nathan was actually Sylar? He can read Sylar's mind, he should know the president is being impersonated. This means one of three things - Parkman can't read Sylar's mind, Parkman never tried to read Sylar's mind because he thought he was the president, or Parkman did read Sylar's mind and didn't care. Parkman does look disconcerted by Nathan's powers when he attacks Peter... but doesn't seem to have any on-screen reaction when Sylar reveals he's Sylar (unless the illusion is only dispelled for Peter).

Another thing of note - Bennet hid, when Hiro gave them over to him, DL, and Candice. Sylar ate both their brains. Now, I assumed that he got to DL because Parkman knew about DL from reading Bennet's mind, told the president, who then ate DL. But, that can't be true for Candice, since Candice's power is what lets Sylar become the president...

And just what can Molly, a little girl, do that's useful in a prison break? Did future Sylar eat her brain too? (She was on the same list as DL and Candice, both of whom, Sylar devoured.)

This is really exciting.

Is it me or was Sylar painting the 'monster Nathan' president last week forshadowing of this weeks twist?

Absolutely. This is why Sylar is smiling when he paints it. He knows more about what he's painting than is evident.

Future Peter kicks ***!!!!

I wish we could have seen the final battle between Peter and Sylar in the future...

I'm pretty sure this will be the season 1 finale.

I have to say - the producers need to stop making Peter Neo. It's just a little too obvious for my tastes.

But Sylar is ****ing brilliant. He needs to get nailed to the wall.

Also - I wonder... Mikah can talk to machines. So can Wireless. Wireless is with Bennet in the future (which makes sense since he's been 'friends' with Ted and Parkman who Wireless met) - how does she fit in? And I assume Ted died in the explosion by Peter...

And then of course, Mohinder and Nathan allowed Peter to go boom...

Oof. I need a lot of photographs and a lot of string to work this out.

 

[ultimatedjf]

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Did you guys know that the painting of Nathan in the White House that Sylar made last week was done by Alex Maleev?

Awesome.


And oh yeah, episode 20 was amazing.

 

[Bass]

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Alex Maleev?! :rockon:

 

[Bass]

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I just saw the episode 21 trailer.

HIRO VS SYLAR!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Dear Tim Kiring,

Don't kill Hiro. lease:

Sincerely,
Bass

 

[Gideon Stargrave]

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I just saw the episode 21 trailer.

HIRO VS SYLAR!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Dear Tim Kiring,

Don't kill Hiro. lease:

Sincerely,
Bass

Oh man, I just watched this...Hiro is going to die...I just know it.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Another thing; Isaac said to Sylar that the most important thing was him showing them how to kill Sylar. Does this not make much sense to anyone else? If Hiro is just going to stab Sylar, then what do they need the copy of 9th wonders for? There's something more to it...I'm guessing to do with the little girl. But then wouldn't future Hiro know about the little girl, and go back and tell her she had to stop Sylar? Why wasn't Molly mentioned at all in the future? Don't you think that a girl powerful enough to kill Sylar would be important enough to at least warrant a mention? Apparently not.

I thought that Future Peter was lame. There's no way that they aren't intentionally making him a Neo rip off. I'm getting really sick of it.

I'm so confused and I'm thinking about this way too much. I'm going to go to bed and pray that Hiro survives.

 

[Bass]

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Oh man, I just watched this...Hiro is going to die...I just know it.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

I know but there's this - of all the heroes, Hiro can actually survive Sylar's paralysing telekinesis. Even if frozen, Hiro can stop time or jump through time and survive since it doesn't require him to actually move.

I hope.

Another thing; Isaac said to Sylar that the most important thing was him showing them how to kill Sylar. Does this not make much sense to anyone else? If Hiro is just going to stab Sylar, then what do they need the copy of 9th wonders for? There's something more to it...I'm guessing to do with the little girl. But then wouldn't future Hiro know about the little girl, and go back and tell her she had to stop Sylar? Why wasn't Molly mentioned at all in the future? Don't you think that a girl powerful enough to kill Sylar would be important enough to at least warrant a mention? Apparently not.

Without the comic, Hiro wouldn't feel the push of destiny to kill Sylar. But you're right - there may be more to it.

Also, Molly IS mentioned in the future. When Hiro plans the prison break, he asks Bennet to send him DL, Candice, and Molly. Though he doesn't state what Molly's powers are. She is mentioned however.

I thought that Future Peter was lame. There's no way that they aren't intentionally making him a Neo rip off. I'm getting really sick of it.

Me too.

I'm so confused and I'm thinking about this way too much. I'm going to go to bed and pray that Hiro survives.

We are the same, you and I.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

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It seems that what makes the Hatian so formidable is that he can't block anyone's powers. This means that shouldn't be able to take down Sylar for good. Also, remember when Sylar was supposedly dead in the Company facility. He escaped because everyone thought he was dead when he actually wasn't.

Anything dealing with the future is constantly pleagued with hypocracy and conundrums. Think about it this way. Personally, I think they should have done it, so that Claire really was dead in the future and say that Hiro jumped into the future that would have existed if he hadn't travelled back in time. Still, the revealation that "Save the cheerleader, save the world" isn't the be all end all of the show is rather releaving.

If Peter and Sylar fight shouldn't Peter eventually over come Sylar because as he uses more and more powers to fight Peter the stronger Peter gets. Also, the regeneration makes Peter almost invincible.

As for Molly, I suspect that her power is somehow related to power neutralization. Future Hiro wanted Molly to help him break into the facility where they were keeping Hiro. I suspect that her powers were intended to overcome the Hatian's powers.

The whole futurescape is riddled with holes. For instance, Parkman knew Bennet was hiding Claire and that she was Nathan's daughter. Yet, he kept the secret from the Sylar the whole time. I agree that Parkman should have been able to read Sylar's thoughts and detected the illusion. Also, how come we never heard of Linderman in the future? You would think that Linderman would be a key player in the course of future events.

I'm really looking forward to what Linderman has planned for Mikah. Now we know that it involves New York, since he is supposed to die when Peter explodes.

Am I the only one who actually liked the twist that Peter wasn't the one who exploded afterall and that Sylar suffers from the same problems of being overwhelmed by powers?

 

[Hellsbuttmonkey]

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Also, how come we never heard of Linderman in the future? You would think that Linderman would be a key player in the course of future events.

At one point there is a news bulletin on the TV, saying about 200 individuals were captured 'in accordance with the Linderman Act'.